Paraag Marathe Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, so what about all the top 10 QB's like him who don't win anything. Even last year.

The FO did the right thing swinging for the fences with Trey and the hope is he can consistently play within that top 10 range (whatever that is) and specifically during the playoffs, 4Q and in the clutch.

But it'll still be up to the rest of the team to play their part and as we've seen, when one part isn't playing well, like pass protection, it doesn't matter what you arbitrary rank a QB ATM.

I agree with your QB-centric takes but only within the confines of a team sport. We probably only disagree in the weight you give the position. QB's can't transcend team issues.

You argue a strawman that no disagrees with. If Pass protection is so bad like with the Chiefs in the SB no a QB can't transcend issues. You do need the roster around you. Totally agreed.

Heres the thing though, the Cowboys O line can't transcend average QB play either. QB has to make the plays that are there. QB has the biggest effect on the efficiency of an offense. So if you are talking about why a team hasn't won a SB in 2 decades that is the first thing to look at.

To put it simply, great QB play can transcend more issues than the rest of the team can transcend not having great qb play. You need all time rosters to transcend mediocre qb play. That isn't realistic.

Lebron James couldn't transcend the bad Lakers this year. But he has transcended teams with lesser talents to push them farther. To say you don't really need a Lebron James, just 5 very good starters is missing the big picture.

it doesn't matter.. we can have 53 all pros and stil complain we don't have enoigh or some make believe excuse to complain about lol

If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, so what about all the top 10 QB's like him who don't win anything. Even last year.

The FO did the right thing swinging for the fences with Trey and the hope is he can consistently play within that top 10 range (whatever that is) and specifically during the playoffs, 4Q and in the clutch.

But it'll still be up to the rest of the team to play their part and as we've seen, when one part isn't playing well, like pass protection, it doesn't matter what you arbitrary rank a QB ATM.

I agree with your QB-centric takes but only within the confines of a team sport. We probably only disagree in the weight you give the position. QB's can't transcend team issues.

You argue a strawman that no disagrees with. If Pass protection is so bad like with the Chiefs in the SB no a QB can't transcend issues. You do need the roster around you. Totally agreed.

Heres the thing though, the Cowboys O line can't transcend average QB play either. QB has to make the plays that are there. QB has the biggest effect on the efficiency of an offense. So if you are talking about why a team hasn't won a SB in 2 decades that is the first thing to look at.

To put it simply, great QB play can transcend more issues than the rest of the team can transcend not having great qb play. You need all time rosters to transcend mediocre qb play. That isn't realistic.

Lebron James couldn't transcend the bad Lakers this year. But he has transcended teams with lesser talents to push them farther. To say you don't really need a Lebron James, just 5 very good starters is missing the big picture.

I'm in full agreement here esp. the bold. Like I said, I agree...just differ in the degree to which they can/can't transcend.

Originally posted by NCommand:
If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

They would be wrong. Stafford was nails during the playoffs. Still made some dumb throws but made some elite ones too.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

They would be wrong. Stafford was nails during the playoffs. Still made some dumb throws but made some elite ones too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, so what about all the top 10 QB's like him who don't win anything. Even last year.

The FO did the right thing swinging for the fences with Trey and the hope is he can consistently play within that top 10 range (whatever that is) and specifically during the playoffs, 4Q and in the clutch.

But it'll still be up to the rest of the team to play their part and as we've seen, when one part isn't playing well, like pass protection, it doesn't matter what you arbitrary rank a QB ATM.

I agree with your QB-centric takes but only within the confines of a team sport. We probably only disagree in the weight you give the position. QB's can't transcend team issues.

You argue a strawman that no disagrees with. If Pass protection is so bad like with the Chiefs in the SB no a QB can't transcend issues. You do need the roster around you. Totally agreed.

Heres the thing though, the Cowboys O line can't transcend average QB play either. QB has to make the plays that are there. QB has the biggest effect on the efficiency of an offense. So if you are talking about why a team hasn't won a SB in 2 decades that is the first thing to look at.

To put it simply, great QB play can transcend more issues than the rest of the team can transcend not having great qb play. You need all time rosters to transcend mediocre qb play. That isn't realistic.

Lebron James couldn't transcend the bad Lakers this year. But he has transcended teams with lesser talents to push them farther. To say you don't really need a Lebron James, just 5 very good starters is missing the big picture.

it doesn't matter.. we can have 53 all pros and stil complain we don't have enoigh or some make believe excuse to complain about lol

If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

Did you not see the film thread of having multiple optons wide open just to have jimmy hold on it and throw a bad check down pass or other similar plays? you think a better QB would do the same thing ? you've def changed from years ago

So you give Stafford credit for playing bad because they won... ridicoulous.

if our QB didn't tuck his tail between his legs and completed a couple of those.. we probably live to see another SB loss due to jimmy

Originally posted by NCommand:

All about the aggregate. Can make up for a pick because he'll make other elite throws. Jimmy doesn't make up for the awful decisions or missed open receivers.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, so what about all the top 10 QB's like him who don't win anything. Even last year.

The FO did the right thing swinging for the fences with Trey and the hope is he can consistently play within that top 10 range (whatever that is) and specifically during the playoffs, 4Q and in the clutch.

But it'll still be up to the rest of the team to play their part and as we've seen, when one part isn't playing well, like pass protection, it doesn't matter what you arbitrary rank a QB ATM.

I agree with your QB-centric takes but only within the confines of a team sport. We probably only disagree in the weight you give the position. QB's can't transcend team issues.

You argue a strawman that no disagrees with. If Pass protection is so bad like with the Chiefs in the SB no a QB can't transcend issues. You do need the roster around you. Totally agreed.

Heres the thing though, the Cowboys O line can't transcend average QB play either. QB has to make the plays that are there. QB has the biggest effect on the efficiency of an offense. So if you are talking about why a team hasn't won a SB in 2 decades that is the first thing to look at.

To put it simply, great QB play can transcend more issues than the rest of the team can transcend not having great qb play. You need all time rosters to transcend mediocre qb play. That isn't realistic.

Lebron James couldn't transcend the bad Lakers this year. But he has transcended teams with lesser talents to push them farther. To say you don't really need a Lebron James, just 5 very good starters is missing the big picture.

it doesn't matter.. we can have 53 all pros and stil complain we don't have enoigh or some make believe excuse to complain about lol

If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

Did you not see the film thread of having multiple optons wide open just to have jimmy hold on it and throw a bad check down pass or other similar plays? you think a better QB would do the same thing ? you've def changed from years ago

So you give Stafford credit for playing bad because they won... ridicoulous.

if our QB didn't tuck his tail between his legs and completed a couple of those.. we probably live to see another SB loss due to jimmy

Tell me you can't see past the QB position without saying it. Lord.

I can't wait to see you flip 180 when Trey starts playing.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

All about the aggregate. Can make up for a pick because he'll make other elite throws. Jimmy doesn't make up for the awful decisions or missed open receivers.

You can't throw 10 interceptable balls (esp. in crucial moments) and play like a top 10 QB. That was my point.

Yes, he gets to throw 50 times a game so in the end, he was able to make up for those and he threw some elite throws too. But like a top 10 QB through the playoffs? He played far better during stretches of the sseason. He was just as dangerous as he was elite in clutch situations.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, so what about all the top 10 QB's like him who don't win anything. Even last year.

The FO did the right thing swinging for the fences with Trey and the hope is he can consistently play within that top 10 range (whatever that is) and specifically during the playoffs, 4Q and in the clutch.

But it'll still be up to the rest of the team to play their part and as we've seen, when one part isn't playing well, like pass protection, it doesn't matter what you arbitrary rank a QB ATM.

I agree with your QB-centric takes but only within the confines of a team sport. We probably only disagree in the weight you give the position. QB's can't transcend team issues.

You argue a strawman that no disagrees with. If Pass protection is so bad like with the Chiefs in the SB no a QB can't transcend issues. You do need the roster around you. Totally agreed.

Heres the thing though, the Cowboys O line can't transcend average QB play either. QB has to make the plays that are there. QB has the biggest effect on the efficiency of an offense. So if you are talking about why a team hasn't won a SB in 2 decades that is the first thing to look at.

To put it simply, great QB play can transcend more issues than the rest of the team can transcend not having great qb play. You need all time rosters to transcend mediocre qb play. That isn't realistic.

Lebron James couldn't transcend the bad Lakers this year. But he has transcended teams with lesser talents to push them farther. To say you don't really need a Lebron James, just 5 very good starters is missing the big picture.

it doesn't matter.. we can have 53 all pros and stil complain we don't have enoigh or some make believe excuse to complain about lol

If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

Did you not see the film thread of having multiple optons wide open just to have jimmy hold on it and throw a bad check down pass or other similar plays? you think a better QB would do the same thing ? you've def changed from years ago

So you give Stafford credit for playing bad because they won... ridicoulous.

if our QB didn't tuck his tail between his legs and completed a couple of those.. we probably live to see another SB loss due to jimmy

Tell me you can't see past the QB position without saying it. Lord.

I can't wait to see you flip 180 when Trey starts playing.

i see everything... which makes it easy seeing the weak points. but hey ..nice digression

Originally posted by NCommand:
You can't throw 10 interceptable balls (esp. in crucial moments) and play like a top 10 QB. That was my point.

Yes, he gets to throw 50 times a game so in the end, he was able to make up for those and he threw some elite throws too. But like a top 10 QB through the playoffs? He played far better during stretches of the sseason. He was just as dangerous as he was elite in clutch situations.

He had 1 or 2. Not 10.

Rewatch the Rams game. He was throwing dimes the whole time outside of the Tartt throw. Same with the Bucs game. Give credit where its due, he played like a top 10 guy IMO.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, so what about all the top 10 QB's like him who don't win anything. Even last year.

The FO did the right thing swinging for the fences with Trey and the hope is he can consistently play within that top 10 range (whatever that is) and specifically during the playoffs, 4Q and in the clutch.

But it'll still be up to the rest of the team to play their part and as we've seen, when one part isn't playing well, like pass protection, it doesn't matter what you arbitrary rank a QB ATM.

I agree with your QB-centric takes but only within the confines of a team sport. We probably only disagree in the weight you give the position. QB's can't transcend team issues.

You argue a strawman that no disagrees with. If Pass protection is so bad like with the Chiefs in the SB no a QB can't transcend issues. You do need the roster around you. Totally agreed.

Heres the thing though, the Cowboys O line can't transcend average QB play either. QB has to make the plays that are there. QB has the biggest effect on the efficiency of an offense. So if you are talking about why a team hasn't won a SB in 2 decades that is the first thing to look at.

To put it simply, great QB play can transcend more issues than the rest of the team can transcend not having great qb play. You need all time rosters to transcend mediocre qb play. That isn't realistic.

Lebron James couldn't transcend the bad Lakers this year. But he has transcended teams with lesser talents to push them farther. To say you don't really need a Lebron James, just 5 very good starters is missing the big picture.

it doesn't matter.. we can have 53 all pros and stil complain we don't have enoigh or some make believe excuse to complain about lol

If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

Did you not see the film thread of having multiple optons wide open just to have jimmy hold on it and throw a bad check down pass or other similar plays? you think a better QB would do the same thing ? you've def changed from years ago

So you give Stafford credit for playing bad because they won... ridicoulous.

if our QB didn't tuck his tail between his legs and completed a couple of those.. we probably live to see another SB loss due to jimmy

Tell me you can't see past the QB position without saying it. Lord.

I can't wait to see you flip 180 when Trey starts playing.

i see everything... which makes it easy seeing the weak points. but hey ..nice digression

So you see all these team weaknesses *many of which cost us the NFCCG:

Team Weakneses:
Defensive pass interference
Defense can't generate TO's
Defense fails late in games and in quick fashion
Defense instantly gives up a score immediately after going up double digits
3rd down pass defense
Defense piss poor tackling (and technique) at times
Offense missed a big opportunity/play
Offensive TO's lead to points the other way
Offensive TO's take points off the board
Offensive penalties at crucial times usually in the RZ or backed up (false starts, holdings, delays, etc.)
Receiver drops
Boneheaded team penalties at key moments
Kyle is bipolar with play calling
Kyle struggles with clock management at times
Kyle gets too cute or too conservative at times
Slow starts and/or poor second half adjustments
Must run 35+ times to have a chance to win
Unit pass protection collapse in predictable passing situations (includes RB's, FB and TE's)
Too many key injuries at key positions at key times
SpecialED teams

...but only focus on the QB-related issues? Got it.

All I ask going forward is that you ignore all these things again and only focus on the new QB. Deal?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, so what about all the top 10 QB's like him who don't win anything. Even last year.

The FO did the right thing swinging for the fences with Trey and the hope is he can consistently play within that top 10 range (whatever that is) and specifically during the playoffs, 4Q and in the clutch.

But it'll still be up to the rest of the team to play their part and as we've seen, when one part isn't playing well, like pass protection, it doesn't matter what you arbitrary rank a QB ATM.

I agree with your QB-centric takes but only within the confines of a team sport. We probably only disagree in the weight you give the position. QB's can't transcend team issues.

You argue a strawman that no disagrees with. If Pass protection is so bad like with the Chiefs in the SB no a QB can't transcend issues. You do need the roster around you. Totally agreed.

Heres the thing though, the Cowboys O line can't transcend average QB play either. QB has to make the plays that are there. QB has the biggest effect on the efficiency of an offense. So if you are talking about why a team hasn't won a SB in 2 decades that is the first thing to look at.

To put it simply, great QB play can transcend more issues than the rest of the team can transcend not having great qb play. You need all time rosters to transcend mediocre qb play. That isn't realistic.

Lebron James couldn't transcend the bad Lakers this year. But he has transcended teams with lesser talents to push them farther. To say you don't really need a Lebron James, just 5 very good starters is missing the big picture.

it doesn't matter.. we can have 53 all pros and stil complain we don't have enoigh or some make believe excuse to complain about lol

If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

Did you not see the film thread of having multiple optons wide open just to have jimmy hold on it and throw a bad check down pass or other similar plays? you think a better QB would do the same thing ? you've def changed from years ago

So you give Stafford credit for playing bad because they won... ridicoulous.

if our QB didn't tuck his tail between his legs and completed a couple of those.. we probably live to see another SB loss due to jimmy

Tell me you can't see past the QB position without saying it. Lord.

I can't wait to see you flip 180 when Trey starts playing.

i see everything... which makes it easy seeing the weak points. but hey ..nice digression

So you see all these team weaknesses *many of which cost us the NFCCG:

Team Weakneses:
Defensive pass interference
Defense can't generate TO's
Defense fails late in games and in quick fashion
Defense instantly gives up a score immediately after going up double digits
3rd down pass defense
Defense piss poor tackling (and technique) at times
Offense missed a big opportunity/play
Offensive TO's lead to points the other way
Offensive TO's take points off the board
Offensive penalties at crucial times usually in the RZ or backed up (false starts, holdings, delays, etc.)
Receiver drops
Boneheaded team penalties at key moments
Kyle is bipolar with play calling
Kyle struggles with clock management at times
Kyle gets too cute or too conservative at times
Slow starts and/or poor second half adjustments
Must run 35+ times to have a chance to win
Unit pass protection collapse in predictable passing situations (includes RB's, FB and TE's)
Too many key injuries at key positions at key times
SpecialED teams

...but only focus on the QB-related issues? Got it.

You be surprised how a QB effects the game

Defensive pass interference (We are not the only team)
Defense can't generate TO's (We are not the only team)
Defense fails late in games and in quick fashion (even going back to the Alex days, a defense can't carry you all game, offense needs to show up)
Defense instantly gives up a score immediately after going up double digits (can't comment, has it been instantly every time?)
3rd down pass defense (was an issue early in the season)
Defense piss poor tackling (and technique) at times (at times, no team is perfect. especially against us YAC/RAC)
Offense missed a big opportunity/play (QB related)
Offensive TO's lead to points the other way (QB related)
Offensive TO's take points off the board (QB related)
Offensive penalties at crucial times usually in the RZ or backed up (false starts, holdings, delays, etc.) (QB related)
Receiver drops (did we lead the league on drops or just Deebo leading the league ?)
Boneheaded team penalties at key moments (QB related on offense, Dallas false start )
Kyle is bipolar with play calling (QB related)
Kyle struggles with clock management at times (QB related)
Kyle gets too cute or too conservative at times (Kyle & QB related)
Slow starts and/or poor second half adjustments (QB related)
Must run 35+ times to have a chance to win (QB related)
Unit pass protection collapse in predictable passing situations (includes RB's, FB and TE's) (QB related, doesn't know his blitzing LB/DB)
Too many key injuries at key positions at key times (god must hate us)
SpecialED teams (Could be coach or players.. but we made moves to fix this)

just look how all the other good QBs help their team that have far less talent than us.

I guess we are just lucky to make a SB and reach two NFCCGs

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:
Except it wasn't a lack of horsepower that cost us against the Rams or Chiefs, it was a combination of execution, play calling and inconsistent officiating.

So a lack of playmakers. Agreed.

Not at all what I said and you know that, yet still decided to twist my words.

So the playmakers lacked horsepower?

Or maybe, we just didn't have enough talent no matter the reason.

Horsepower = playmakers.

We had enough talent to win that game, we simply didn't make the plays when we needed to, didn't get the calls when we needed them and Kyle could have called a better game.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:
Except it wasn't a lack of horsepower that cost us against the Rams or Chiefs, it was a combination of execution, play calling and inconsistent officiating.

So a lack of playmakers. Agreed.

Not at all what I said and you know that, yet still decided to twist my words.

So the playmakers lacked horsepower?

Or maybe, we just didn't have enough talent no matter the reason.

Horsepower = playmakers.

We had enough talent to win that game, we simply didn't make the plays when we needed to, didn't get the calls when we needed them and Kyle could have called a better game.

That's cool. I could definitely see the argument we had enough talent but they just didn't execute that day enough.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, so what about all the top 10 QB's like him who don't win anything. Even last year.

The FO did the right thing swinging for the fences with Trey and the hope is he can consistently play within that top 10 range (whatever that is) and specifically during the playoffs, 4Q and in the clutch.

But it'll still be up to the rest of the team to play their part and as we've seen, when one part isn't playing well, like pass protection, it doesn't matter what you arbitrary rank a QB ATM.

I agree with your QB-centric takes but only within the confines of a team sport. We probably only disagree in the weight you give the position. QB's can't transcend team issues.

You argue a strawman that no disagrees with. If Pass protection is so bad like with the Chiefs in the SB no a QB can't transcend issues. You do need the roster around you. Totally agreed.

Heres the thing though, the Cowboys O line can't transcend average QB play either. QB has to make the plays that are there. QB has the biggest effect on the efficiency of an offense. So if you are talking about why a team hasn't won a SB in 2 decades that is the first thing to look at.

To put it simply, great QB play can transcend more issues than the rest of the team can transcend not having great qb play. You need all time rosters to transcend mediocre qb play. That isn't realistic.

Lebron James couldn't transcend the bad Lakers this year. But he has transcended teams with lesser talents to push them farther. To say you don't really need a Lebron James, just 5 very good starters is missing the big picture.

it doesn't matter.. we can have 53 all pros and stil complain we don't have enoigh or some make believe excuse to complain about lol

If those 53 don't play like it enough to win it, yes, it's moot. Did our secondary play like all pros (and none are) during the playoff runs? Unit pass protection (one is and did)? Did our running game (one is but didn't play like it injured) play at that level in the NFCCG...run blocking (it had as a unit earlier in the year)?

See, this is the issue right here.

Could a better QB overcome all these issues? It's all fantasy. Who knows. So far we don't have much evidence they can even when they are top 10. That's real.

Hell, many objectively would say Stafford did not play like a top 10 QB during the playoffs. But he won one. He did just enough as did all their playmakers.

Did you not see the film thread of having multiple optons wide open just to have jimmy hold on it and throw a bad check down pass or other similar plays? you think a better QB would do the same thing ? you've def changed from years ago

So you give Stafford credit for playing bad because they won... ridicoulous.

if our QB didn't tuck his tail between his legs and completed a couple of those.. we probably live to see another SB loss due to jimmy

Tell me you can't see past the QB position without saying it. Lord.

I can't wait to see you flip 180 when Trey starts playing.

i see everything... which makes it easy seeing the weak points. but hey ..nice digression

So you see all these team weaknesses *many of which cost us the NFCCG:

Team Weakneses:
Defensive pass interference
Defense can't generate TO's
Defense fails late in games and in quick fashion
Defense instantly gives up a score immediately after going up double digits
3rd down pass defense
Defense piss poor tackling (and technique) at times
Offense missed a big opportunity/play
Offensive TO's lead to points the other way
Offensive TO's take points off the board
Offensive penalties at crucial times usually in the RZ or backed up (false starts, holdings, delays, etc.)
Receiver drops
Boneheaded team penalties at key moments
Kyle is bipolar with play calling
Kyle struggles with clock management at times
Kyle gets too cute or too conservative at times
Slow starts and/or poor second half adjustments
Must run 35+ times to have a chance to win
Unit pass protection collapse in predictable passing situations (includes RB's, FB and TE's)
Too many key injuries at key positions at key times
SpecialED teams

...but only focus on the QB-related issues? Got it.

You be surprised how a QB effects the game

Defensive pass interference (We are not the only team)
Defense can't generate TO's (We are not the only team)
Defense fails late in games and in quick fashion (even going back to the Alex days, a defense can't carry you all game, offense needs to show up)
Defense instantly gives up a score immediately after going up double digits (can't comment, has it been instantly every time?)
3rd down pass defense (was an issue early in the season)
Defense piss poor tackling (and technique) at times (at times, no team is perfect. especially against us YAC/RAC)
Offense missed a big opportunity/play (QB related)
Offensive TO's lead to points the other way (QB related)
Offensive TO's take points off the board (QB related)
Offensive penalties at crucial times usually in the RZ or backed up (false starts, holdings, delays, etc.) (QB related)
Receiver drops (did we lead the league on drops ?)
Boneheaded team penalties at key moments (QB related on offense, Dallas false start )
Kyle is bipolar with play calling (QB related)
Kyle struggles with clock management at times (QB related)
Kyle gets too cute or too conservative at times (Kyle & QB related)
Slow starts and/or poor second half adjustments (QB related)
Must run 35+ times to have a chance to win (QB related)
Unit pass protection collapse in predictable passing situations (includes RB's, FB and TE's) (QB related, doesn't know his blitzing LB/DB)
Too many key injuries at key positions at key times (god must hate us)
SpecialED teams (Could be coach or players.. but we made moves to fix this)

just look how all the other good QBs help their team that have far less talent than us.

I guess we are just lucky to make a SB and reach two NFCCGs

This list was a list you apply to each game so you can see where the issues were "that day." It was a cumulative list of issues we had all year. On some days, only some apply. Others, they were many and significant to why we lost. In others, there was so much improvement that game it was not only a non-issue, but a reason why we won (e.g. special teams).

The QB is imbedded within a large chunk of this.

So if you were to review the Superbowl or the NFCCG, what things here did you see were reasons why we lost?