Paraag Marathe Thread

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/WHO-IS-PARAAG-MARATHE-Numbers-added-up-to-2703495.php
I recall hearing Walsh on KNBR about this time talk about how the Yorks had been paying him to count paperclips and that nobody in the FO was interested in his input at all.

Thanks, this article was very intriguing.

Walsh didn't say that at all. I hate when people make things up. It's soooo frustrating. There is no Praage conspiracy. I still see WooLick is spreading baseless claims in NT.

If you didn't read it gents, it didn't happen.

What do you mean by that? I heard it with my own ears. Do you think Lynch made up the quote in the article and made up the trade veto story?

Dude we've done this before and the claims you make about Praag aren't remotely true and the innuendo about Walsh is even worse. You mix what you think yo heard which isn't written anywhere. And yes Lynch is SPECULATING which he says himself from sources. Stop it bro.

I think I have posted nothing but the truth about his role in the organization. I believe Lynch, Barbieri and what I have read and heard.
Do you think the culture and direction of the team are good under Marathe?

I think you imply with a lot of innuendo and supposition and the sources and names you put forward as hard evidence would also say their opinion writers like Ratto, Killion and Kawakami who write very creatively but at the end of the day even they can't say on the record their suppositions are true. I think that's misleading for fans who take everything they say as gospel.

I do know one thing - the organization has gone to the Super Bowl, been in the playoffs 4 straight years and has done wonders and stayed competitive.

When are you asking me this question? When the team is down? Where was this question in 2011? 2012? Where were all the Praag is the detrimental hidden power bringing down the organization threads then? Wasn't still doing that s**t then? Wasn't he still the "moneyball" guy? Or did that disappear? Oh I know Harabaugh ran everything and that's what it was .....

Many here want to heap criticism for bad times and not give any praise for what was accomplished. What I think really doesn't matter in the end because I don't take a daily referendum on the team's/organizations performance. Do I think mistakes were made - sure and that's what humans do, but I refuse to buy into the rumors and innuendo that's cool right now.

People need to get real.

The problems didn't start until Jim's contract talks begun. That's Paraage's territory. I don't believe everything about Paraage, but I don't close my eyes to it either. Jed wants this team to be like his uncle's team. Paraage tried to overtake Bill Walsh. One of these two are playing a different game.

I remember, during the Nolan era, reporters were wondering and repeatedly asking what is Paraage doing in the booth. His name seems to put him in some odd situations. That's when eyes should start opening. Everything was all fine and dandy until Jim Harbaugh's contract began to reach its end. There's only one guy who does contracts.

I don't know, there seems to be a common theme here.

Praag tried to overtake Walsh? How was that possible when Donahue was the one who brought Praag into the organization and then both Praag and Walsh welcomed his approach?

The problems started when the team lost the super bowl on a delay of game. THATS when the problems started.

Lmfao. Oh, so THATS when the problems started huh? Give me a freaking break. Anything to deflect legitimate criticism off of the FO and put the blame squarely on the previous regime i guess.

No. Absolutely not. I'm not deflecting criticism of the FO. What I'm doing is calling out the rumors/lies/innuendo vs what is true. There are legit criticisms of the the FO and I've made more than my share. What frustrates me is when conjecture becomes fact. When rumors of "connecting the dots" become "true". And of course none of these dots were being connected when the team was good. I challenge ANYONE to find a article or a rumor monger who was claiming Praag was bad for the team in 2012 or 2013. Rather, there's a whole NT thread about how good of an exec he has been.

Focus your energy on where it should go like oh I don't know, how the 49ers are going replace their QB? Rather than making a claim that Praag is the real reason the 49ers suck.

How can you call things out as being untrue if you yourself do not know what is true? In most cases the people that write these pieces are more connected than anyone on this site.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

So it was or was not working in 2009 - 2014?

Some good, some bad, time for a change no success without Harbaugh, it is time for a change on the football operations side.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

So you just need to have success anywhere to be successful in football? Let's be clear Yu was not a football guy and had no prior success and because he has had a success with Google, it's success and therefore translates. And because he was supposedly asked to leave, everything went to pot in 2014 because of it.

Phoenix the article you posted doesn't have an author bud. Who posted that article?

This one?

http://www.chatsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/a/49ers-Starter-Everyone-Knows-Jim-Harbaugh-Is-Probably-Coaching-His-Last-Game-In-SF-1866

Dusty Hawkins?

"NFL News, NBA Rumors, MLB, NHL, college football recruiting and basketball news and rumors from the best sources on the internet, including an exclusive..."

This is how Google describes that site. But let's pull from the article itself... "everybody knows..." So is this a fact? Certainly doesn't sound like it - sounds like "connecting the dots".

Lots and lots of writers seem to be making the same connection.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/WHO-IS-PARAAG-MARATHE-Numbers-added-up-to-2703495.php
I recall hearing Walsh on KNBR about this time talk about how the Yorks had been paying him to count paperclips and that nobody in the FO was interested in his input at all.

Thanks, this article was very intriguing.

Walsh didn't say that at all. I hate when people make things up. It's soooo frustrating. There is no Praage conspiracy. I still see WooLick is spreading baseless claims in NT.

If you didn't read it gents, it didn't happen.

What do you mean by that? I heard it with my own ears. Do you think Lynch made up the quote in the article and made up the trade veto story?

Dude we've done this before and the claims you make about Praag aren't remotely true and the innuendo about Walsh is even worse. You mix what you think yo heard which isn't written anywhere. And yes Lynch is SPECULATING which he says himself from sources. Stop it bro.

I think I have posted nothing but the truth about his role in the organization. I believe Lynch, Barbieri and what I have read and heard.
Do you think the culture and direction of the team are good under Marathe?

I think you imply with a lot of innuendo and supposition and the sources and names you put forward as hard evidence would also say their opinion writers like Ratto, Killion and Kawakami who write very creatively but at the end of the day even they can't say on the record their suppositions are true. I think that's misleading for fans who take everything they say as gospel.

I do know one thing - the organization has gone to the Super Bowl, been in the playoffs 4 straight years and has done wonders and stayed competitive.

When are you asking me this question? When the team is down? Where was this question in 2011? 2012? Where were all the Praag is the detrimental hidden power bringing down the organization threads then? Wasn't still doing that s**t then? Wasn't he still the "moneyball" guy? Or did that disappear? Oh I know Harabaugh ran everything and that's what it was .....

Many here want to heap criticism for bad times and not give any praise for what was accomplished. What I think really doesn't matter in the end because I don't take a daily referendum on the team's/organizations performance. Do I think mistakes were made - sure and that's what humans do, but I refuse to buy into the rumors and innuendo that's cool right now.

People need to get real.

The problems didn't start until Jim's contract talks begun. That's Paraage's territory. I don't believe everything about Paraage, but I don't close my eyes to it either. Jed wants this team to be like his uncle's team. Paraage tried to overtake Bill Walsh. One of these two are playing a different game.

I remember, during the Nolan era, reporters were wondering and repeatedly asking what is Paraage doing in the booth. His name seems to put him in some odd situations. That's when eyes should start opening. Everything was all fine and dandy until Jim Harbaugh's contract began to reach its end. There's only one guy who does contracts.

I don't know, there seems to be a common theme here.

Praag tried to overtake Walsh? How was that possible when Donahue was the one who brought Praag into the organization and then both Praag and Walsh welcomed his approach?

The problems started when the team lost the super bowl on a delay of game. THATS when the problems started.

Lmfao. Oh, so THATS when the problems started huh? Give me a freaking break. Anything to deflect legitimate criticism off of the FO and put the blame squarely on the previous regime i guess.

No. Absolutely not. I'm not deflecting criticism of the FO. What I'm doing is calling out the rumors/lies/innuendo vs what is true. There are legit criticisms of the the FO and I've made more than my share. What frustrates me is when conjecture becomes fact. When rumors of "connecting the dots" become "true". And of course none of these dots were being connected when the team was good. I challenge ANYONE to find a article or a rumor monger who was claiming Praag was bad for the team in 2012 or 2013. Rather, there's a whole NT thread about how good of an exec he has been.

Focus your energy on where it should go like oh I don't know, how the 49ers are going replace their QB? Rather than making a claim that Praag is the real reason the 49ers suck.

I agree , I hate conjecture being passed off as fact. That being said you are being a bit naive if you think these problems were not present during the 3 year window of success. These problems were present well before JH, were present during JH and are present post JH. It may not have been prevalent during those 3 years but it only took about 2 years for the problems to rear their head.
Lol no, I'm not going to focus my energy on some meaningless b******t like which crappy QB is now going to take his turn putting up 6pts a game. I will instead focus my energy on the big picture problem which dictates EVERYTHING...and that is the massive problems within the FO

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Joecool:
With the team tanking, Paraage will get his chance to put his formula to the test in the 2016 draft.

He has been putting it to use since the Erickson days.

So it was or was not working in 2009 - 2014?

As a whole, it hasn't worked that good. As far as drafting and stuff.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

No. Absolutely not. I'm not deflecting criticism of the FO. What I'm doing is calling out the rumors/lies/innuendo vs what is true. There are legit criticisms of the the FO and I've made more than my share. What frustrates me is when conjecture becomes fact. When rumors of "connecting the dots" become "true". And of course none of these dots were being connected when the team was good. I challenge ANYONE to find a article or a rumor monger who was claiming Praag was bad for the team in 2012 or 2013. Rather, there's a whole NT thread about how good of an exec he has been.

Focus your energy on where it should go like oh I don't know, how the 49ers are going replace their QB? Rather than making a claim that Praag is the real reason the 49ers suck.

What led us to where we are? The dismissal of Harbaugh with no plan to replace him was a big part of it.

His name is Paraag, not Praag.

And according to you, it's because Paraag caused this... not Baalke, not Jed, it was Paraag.

Jed is the son og the owners, he is going to be CEO forever, Paraag is Baalke's boss and the top person on the football side, I would lay blame on all three of them and hope that changes are made.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Pollyanna:

That truly sucks because he is the only accomplished person in that group. At 5% he has little influence over these dumb decisions that are being made. You can't have the technical staff people making business decisions. You need businesmen/women with people skills and leadership to make those. Math wizards and bean counters are a dime a dozen and that's all that Marathe and Baalke are.

So we no longer want a football guy, we want a business brain. Right.

No we want a business guy that is competent enoigh to hire the football guys and change the toxic environment of this team, and get the hell oit of the way. Not some lame ass cover your ass petty bean counter.

It doesn't have to be Yu. That's not the point we were discussing. The question is: is Yu better qualified than some math tech with no people skills. Yu is a business person, he puts together deals, and creates consensus. He's alot more qualified to do that than an egotistic un accomolished Marathe and that's what we re talking about. But nice try English.

Originally posted by Pollyanna:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Pollyanna:
That truly sucks because he is the only accomplished person in that group. At 5% he has little influence over these dumb decisions that are being made. You can't have the technical staff people making business decisions. You need businesmen/women with people skills and leadership to make those. Math wizards and bean counters are a dime a dozen and that's all that Marathe and Baalke are.

So we no longer want a football guy, we want a business brain. Right.

No we want a business guy that is competent enoigh to hire the football guys and change the toxic environment of this team, and get the hell oit of the way. Not some lame ass cover your ass petty bean counter.

It doesn't have to be Yu. That's not the point we were discussing. The question is: is Yu better qualified than some math tech with no people skills. Yu is a business person, he puts together deals, and creates consensus. He's alot more qualified to do that than an egotistic un accomolished Marathe and that's what we re talking about. But nice try English.

Paragge was the darling in everyones eyes ..before these fake reports came out

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Paragge was the darling in everyones eyes ..before these fake reports came out

Not really, Barbieri used to rag on the guy all the time and he got a lot of flack when the Walsh stuff came out 10 years ago, when it came out that he was a big part of coaching hires and when it came out he was coaching in the booth.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Pollyanna:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Pollyanna:

That truly sucks because he is the only accomplished person in that group. At 5% he has little influence over these dumb decisions that are being made. You can't have the technical staff people making business decisions. You need businesmen/women with people skills and leadership to make those. Math wizards and bean counters are a dime a dozen and that's all that Marathe and Baalke are.

So we no longer want a football guy, we want a business brain. Right.

No we want a business guy that is competent enoigh to hire the football guys and change the toxic environment of this team, and get the hell oit of the way. Not some lame ass cover your ass petty bean counter.

It doesn't have to be Yu. That's not the point we were discussing. The question is: is Yu better qualified than some math tech with no people skills. Yu is a business person, he puts together deals, and creates consensus. He's alot more qualified to do that than an egotistic un accomolished Marathe and that's what we re talking about. But nice try English.

Paragge was the darling in everyones eyes ..before these fake reports came out

No, no he wasn't. He was lauded when he was thought to be primarily handling the cap and contracts. So you know these reports are fake? Please elaborate

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

I agree , I hate conjecture being passed off as fact. That being said you are being a bit naive if you think these problems were not present during the 3 year window of success. These problems were present well before JH, were present during JH and are present post JH. It may not have been prevalent during those 3 years but it only took about 2 years for the problems to rear their head.
Lol no, I'm not going to focus my energy on some meaningless b******t like which crappy QB is now going to take his turn putting up 6pts a game. I will instead focus my energy on the big picture problem which dictates EVERYTHING...and that is the massive problems within the FO

Ok I'm being naive because I'm not a conspiracy theorist who believes Paraag has been secretly moneyballing the team and wanted Erickson, Nolan, and Sign - really didn't liked Harbaugh and did everything to push him out based on his contract once he allegedly wanted more money after losing the Super Bowl. Is that correct? And the only answer is to fire everyone, hire someone who oversees Baalkee, Paraag and Tom (Gamble) to help them with football operations - or fire Paraag and Baalke and give it over to .........????? What's the replacement?

I don't want Marathe fired, I want him out of most football decisions. There are clearly major problems with this organization.

Jarryd Hayne is the leaker

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

No. Absolutely not. I'm not deflecting criticism of the FO. What I'm doing is calling out the rumors/lies/innuendo vs what is true. There are legit criticisms of the the FO and I've made more than my share. What frustrates me is when conjecture becomes fact. When rumors of "connecting the dots" become "true". And of course none of these dots were being connected when the team was good. I challenge ANYONE to find a article or a rumor monger who was claiming Praag was bad for the team in 2012 or 2013. Rather, there's a whole NT thread about how good of an exec he has been.

Focus your energy on where it should go like oh I don't know, how the 49ers are going replace their QB? Rather than making a claim that Praag is the real reason the 49ers suck.

What led us to where we are? The dismissal of Harbaugh with no plan to replace him was a big part of it.

His name is Paraag, not Praag.

And according to you, it's because Paraag caused this... not Baalke, not Jed, it was Paraag.

Jed is the son og the owners, he is going to be CEO forever, Paraag is Baalke's boss and the top person on the football side, I would lay blame on all three of them and hope that changes are made.

Paraag is not Baalke's boss and Jed said so directly.

He is the prwsident of the 49ers, of course he is the GM's boss. Who do you think Baalkr reports to? What did Jed say exactly?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

I agree , I hate conjecture being passed off as fact. That being said you are being a bit naive if you think these problems were not present during the 3 year window of success. These problems were present well before JH, were present during JH and are present post JH. It may not have been prevalent during those 3 years but it only took about 2 years for the problems to rear their head.
Lol no, I'm not going to focus my energy on some meaningless b******t like which crappy QB is now going to take his turn putting up 6pts a game. I will instead focus my energy on the big picture problem which dictates EVERYTHING...and that is the massive problems within the FO

Ok I'm being naive because I'm not a conspiracy theorist who believes Paraag has been secretly moneyballing the team and wanted Erickson, Nolan, and Sign - really didn't liked Harbaugh and did everything to push him out based on his contract once he allegedly wanted more money after losing the Super Bowl. Is that correct? And the only answer is to fire everyone, hire someone who oversees Baalkee, Paraag and Tom (Gamble) to help them with football operations - or fire Paraag and Baalke and give it over to .........????? What's the replacement?

Lol way to take it to a total extreme my man. I guess being incredibly defensive will do that to you . I didn't write anything remotely close to that.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

I agree , I hate conjecture being passed off as fact. That being said you are being a bit naive if you think these problems were not present during the 3 year window of success. These problems were present well before JH, were present during JH and are present post JH. It may not have been prevalent during those 3 years but it only took about 2 years for the problems to rear their head.
Lol no, I'm not going to focus my energy on some meaningless b******t like which crappy QB is now going to take his turn putting up 6pts a game. I will instead focus my energy on the big picture problem which dictates EVERYTHING...and that is the massive problems within the FO

Ok I'm being naive because I'm not a conspiracy theorist who believes Paraag has been secretly moneyballing the team and wanted Erickson, Nolan, and Sign - really didn't liked Harbaugh and did everything to push him out based on his contract once he allegedly wanted more money after losing the Super Bowl. Is that correct? And the only answer is to fire everyone, hire someone who oversees Baalkee, Paraag and Tom (Gamble) to help them with football operations - or fire Paraag and Baalke and give it over to .........????? What's the replacement?

I don't want Marathe fired, I want him out of most football decisions. There are clearly major problems with this organization.

Please, share what football operations decisions should Paraag be limited to?

Cap analysis.