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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Joecool:
That's why we are not qualified to be at that position and neither is Paraage...or Jed. Was a huge mistake. Holmgren would have brought some good NFL minds with him.
I think there was a sense of insecurity for hiring Holmgren because he would have probably wanted to move to GM sooner or later.

Holmgren in 2005 woulda been an absolute Home run hire. Like you said, he would have brought legitimate football guys with him. Also, I wonder what QB he would have wanted at the top of the 2005 draft, I got a gut feeling it might have been a local kid that ran a WCO in college.
he was under contract with Seattle

I know he was....but apparently he was available and the niners chose not to pursue it. There's an article detailing it a couple pages back in this thread.
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Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Joecool:
That's why we are not qualified to be at that position and neither is Paraage...or Jed. Was a huge mistake. Holmgren would have brought some good NFL minds with him.
I think there was a sense of insecurity for hiring Holmgren because he would have probably wanted to move to GM sooner or later.

Holmgren in 2005 woulda been an absolute Home run hire. Like you said, he would have brought legitimate football guys with him. Also, I wonder what QB he would have wanted at the top of the 2005 draft, I got a gut feeling it might have been a local kid that ran a WCO in college.

1. He was under contract in Seattle. So how exactly would he of been hired in SF?

2. What legitimate football guys would he of brought with him? His hand picked replacement was Jim Mora who was fired after a 5-11 season. As Presdent in Cleveland he lasted two years and his big coaching hire was Pat Shurmur who went 9-23. In his last year with general manager Tom Heckert drafted Trent Richardson & Brandon Weeden.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Joecool:
That's why we are not qualified to be at that position and neither is Paraage...or Jed. Was a huge mistake. Holmgren would have brought some good NFL minds with him.
I think there was a sense of insecurity for hiring Holmgren because he would have probably wanted to move to GM sooner or later.

Holmgren in 2005 woulda been an absolute Home run hire. Like you said, he would have brought legitimate football guys with him. Also, I wonder what QB he would have wanted at the top of the 2005 draft, I got a gut feeling it might have been a local kid that ran a WCO in college.
he was under contract with Seattle

I know he was....but apparently he was available and the niners chose not to pursue it. There's an article detailing it a couple pages back in this thread.
So Holmgren and Seattle were willing to part ways when riding Alexander to consecutive Division wins

Seattle would have to fire MH to make that happen..crazy
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Nov 4, 2015 at 9:17 AM ]
Originally posted by Jcool:
1. He was under contract in Seattle. So how exactly would he of been hired in SF?

2. What legitimate football guys would he of brought with him? His hand picked replacement was Jim Mora who was fired after a 5-11 season. As Presdent in Cleveland he lasted two years and his big coaching hire was Pat Shurmur who went 9-23. In his last year with general manager Tom Heckert drafted Trent Richardson & Brandon Weeden.

Haven't read his contract so...
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by Hitman49:
"The name of the game is not finding the best players, as conventional wisdom says," according to Marathe. "The name of the game is finding the best possible players for the lowest price. ... It's just being smart about managing your money. It's what a financial adviser would do for a client."


we are sooo screwed....are they in the business of running an NFL team or saving for retirement..."it's what a financial advise would do for a client"..GTFO

It's true though. You can't go and get the best FA players every year. You need those bargain FA's and decent fill in draft picks that they have no intention extending. And extend promising players early for a cheaper price.
Good point. The cap has always been "healthy". Keep him as a capologist and keep him away from coaching hires, gameclock/gamesituation management, and drafts. He knows numbers, not football.

The quote he gave was not pertaining just to the cap. It is a philosophy that has trickled into other parts of decision making like the draft and coaching hires. This guys is not out to be the best. He wants to be the best at the lowest price. A good example is Baalkes history of drafting injured players. These players would be considered high draft pick if it were not for their injuries but they get drafted by Baalke in the later rounds "at a discount rate". You can't run an NFL team like that.
Originally posted by Hitman49:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by Hitman49:
"The name of the game is not finding the best players, as conventional wisdom says," according to Marathe. "The name of the game is finding the best possible players for the lowest price. ... It's just being smart about managing your money. It's what a financial adviser would do for a client."


we are sooo screwed....are they in the business of running an NFL team or saving for retirement..."it's what a financial advise would do for a client"..GTFO

It's true though. You can't go and get the best FA players every year. You need those bargain FA's and decent fill in draft picks that they have no intention extending. And extend promising players early for a cheaper price.
Good point. The cap has always been "healthy". Keep him as a capologist and keep him away from coaching hires, gameclock/gamesituation management, and drafts. He knows numbers, not football.

The quote he gave was not pertaining just to the cap. It is a philosophy that has trickled into other parts of decision making like the draft and coaching hires. This guys is not out to be the best. He wants to be the best at the lowest price. A good example is Baalkes history of drafting injured players. These players would be considered high draft pick if it were not for their injuries but they get drafted by Baalke in the later rounds "at a discount rate". You can't run an NFL team like that.

Looks like we know who's really behind the drafting of injured players now.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So Holmgren and Seattle were willing to part ways when riding Alexander to consecutive Division wins

Seattle would have to fire MH to make that happen..crazy

It's in an article, it says that the niners were considering Holmgren in 2004. I was also under the impression he was tied up in Seattle. The article says paag presented mounds of data as to why Nolan was better than Holmgren. That's laughable in my opinion and if this is the sort of stuff we are using to hire HC's then it's no wonder we are 1 for 4 in the past decade in HC hires.
Originally posted by Hitman49:
The quote he gave was not pertaining just to the cap. It is a philosophy that has trickled into other parts of decision making like the draft and coaching hires. This guys is not out to be the best. He wants to be the best at the lowest price. A good example is Baalkes history of drafting injured players. These players would be considered high draft pick if it were not for their injuries but they get drafted by Baalke in the later rounds "at a discount rate". You can't run an NFL team like that.

Good points! I have always wanted Baalke to trade up for more high picks, hoping for impact players, but it would be more expensive. The guarantees for a 1rs rounder are much higher than for a 2nd or 3rd even...let alone a 4th-7th!

These economy decisions you mention keep a team from making wise decisions for longterm success, I believe.
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Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So Holmgren and Seattle were willing to part ways when riding Alexander to consecutive Division wins

Seattle would have to fire MH to make that happen..crazy

It's in an article, it says that the niners were considering Holmgren in 2004. I was also under the impression he was tied up in Seattle. The article says paag presented mounds of data as to why Nolan was better than Holmgren. That's laughable in my opinion and if this is the sort of stuff we are using to hire HC's then it's no wonder we are 1 for 4 in the past decade in HC hires.
i can see it next year, why we chose Tomsula over Bilecheck
* I'm hearing from everywhere and for a while now that, as always, the person to watch as Jed and John re-structure the front office (again) is Paraag Marathe.

Marathe is Jed's guy and the Yorks have been talking about putting him in charge of football operations/adminstration–and that supposedly is Lal Heneghan's job, though nobody in that building can ever tell me exactly what Lal does.

So Marathe over Heneghan, either as VP or exec VP or whatever the heck Jed wants to call him? That sounds like a natural York move.





* Not in the column but I'll toss it in, anyway: Marathe and Jed's former tag-team buddy, Terry Tumey, is not so much a big part of the Jed/Paraag superstar exec program these days. By their choice, not his.

Tumey, if you remember, was the third man in on the super-committee back in January 2005 that ran the Greatest Coaching Search in the History of Sports–re-invented the dang thing!–to come up with Mike Nolan and the idea of giving him all the power.

The other two finalists in the Greatest Coaching Search in History: Mike Heimerdinger and Jim Schwartz (still one of Marathe's favorites for his statistical inclinations). Three years later… and neither Heimerdinger or Schwartz are Great Head Coaches or even particularly interesting coordinators. Shocking.







http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2007/12/20/paraag-marathe-rich-mckay-and-jed-york-this-could-be-your-super-awesome-49ers-2008-braintrust/




* What's Marathe's influence now? He's in the booth during games, talking to Nolan, so some of those incredible challenges and fourth-down decisions… well, that's Marathe, you'd have to believe.

In fact, I believe that as Nolan's position has weakened and weakened, Nolan has swerved himself deeper into Marathe's camp to make sure Marathe remains an ally, or at the least, a non-enemy.

Nolan is smart that way. He's not a good coach and makes terrible pressure decisions. But he knows how to make sure Jed York and York's aides are placated. (Except for the winning games part!)

But you knew it was a parody issue from the cover story about Paraag Marathe, one of the MBA's running the 49ers, saying he was made a "scapegoat" and is "really the future of the NFL." The piece claims "football guys no longer drive the league," which would surprise Bill Polian and Tony Dungy, Tim Ruskell and Mike Holmgren, Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith, Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli and Mike Shanahan, to name some of the people running the NFL's best teams.

It also says that, because of the salary cap, "the importance of signing and retaining stars (is) greatly diminished." Right. That must be why Irsay went into personal debt to re-sign Peyton Manning and Harrison.

One part of the piece is right. Don't blame Marathe. Blame ownership for giving him power. That helps explain why the 49ers have the worst record in the league over the last three seasons and so little talent on the roster.



http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/FIRST-DOWNS-2544318.php





Nolan, though, has been hinting gently but clearly that he now understands the full depth and breadth of the 49ers' dysfunctionality, even the parts for which he must take direct responsibility. And if he has been given the control John York promised he would have that day at the Mark Hopkins, we'll know quickly enough.

He has already said he intends to get a veteran football man inside the building, a failing that showed itself most clearly in September, when Nolan basically sucked all the trade value out of linebacker Jamie Winborn, and then traded him for what is essentially a copy machine.

And it can't be just a pipe-smoking brainiac sitting near the mail room thinking about concepts and theories, but a full-blown expert of current league personnel, college talent, and their migraine-carrying agents. Nolan needs a general manager who knows what Nolan wants, which players can serve that need, and what is required to make those things happen.

It needs to be someone who, in concert with Nolan, can tell York and his adjutants Paraag Marathe and Terry Tumey what is to be done, and leave them to figure out the financial math. You know, make it a football organization, rather than an organization that does football.

If Nolan can make that happen, he'll at least succeed or fail with his own best judgment. If not, he may as well start looking for his next gig, because this one will offer nothing for him. He won't be the face of the franchise after all, but merely a talking head, and that's not what he, and the customers, were promised that shiny day last January, when all but York's most aggressive critics started to see signs that he could be taught.

This move with take considerable political skill, given that Nolan will (or at least should) be challenging York's judgment of the way a football franchise should be run. York has placed the business department ahead of the football operation, and the proof of that is actually a pull-out quote from the SF Weekly cover story/panegyric of Marathe:

"The name of the game is not finding the best players, as conventional wisdom says," Marathe is quoted as saying. "The name of the game is finding the best possible players for the lowest price. It's just being smart about managing your money."

Well, no it isn't. The NFL has set up a salary system so structured and management-friendly that the name of the game actually is finding the best players and then making the money fit the talent. Contracts are not guaranteed, and players are released before their sell-by date routinely. The "salary-cap hell," which so colors each of the 49ers' decisions, is not only easily avoidable, but is done so routinely every year by every good football team in the league. Each of those teams has football people making the decisions and business people making those decisions fit -- not the other way around.

York, Marathe and Tumey reject this simple notion because it works against their top-down, we've-got-the-spreadsheets-and-we'll-tell-you-what-you-need management instincts. They claim that it is really just misunderstanding their clever postmodern precepts, and Marathe also throws in a gratuitous claim in the SF Weekly piece that the abuse he takes in the media and in the stands would be 85 percent lower if he were white, older, and had an Anglicized name.

Not a lot of business or mathematical expertise in that characterization.

In fact, the real problem is not that he is too young, too dark, or too adept with PowerPoint. It isn't even about him. It's about two conflicting philosophies of how to run an NFL team. Is it business first, then football, or is it football first, then business? And given that you make a lot more money and win a lot more credit and customers with a winning team than with a losing one, the answer should be even more obvious.

Or does going 3-13 (or best case scenario, 4-12) seem like a good use of the franchise's name to you?

In short, Nolan has to get a contemporary football expert in the building, in a place of both influence and control, and soon. Otherwise, there's really no point in him being here, because there is no future in being the face of the franchise when other people have control of the strings.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Time-for-Nolan-to-put-on-a-good-face-2524613.php




A decade later, this franchise remains in the same exact place, different HC, same issue. With the same people in charge who are driving this team into the ground.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he was under contract with Seattle

There is a Washington Times report posted a few pages back - Holmgren was under contract but Seattle would have let him out. He was linked to the 49ers job. He stayed at Seattle once SF moved to Nolan.
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