David's Carr Needs a Mechanic.

Originally posted by Dirty9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Check the career numbers...

QB A -- 65 TDs / 70 INTs / 75 rating
QB B -- 39 TDs / 48 INTs / 69 rating

who's better?

numbers don't lie

A = David Carr
B = Alex Smith

(p.s. start David Carr please)

I say we do like Buffalo and cut Alex now like they did Trent Edwards good riddance

You can't answer the question with the limited data provided. And if you honestly believe numbers don't lie, you are too naive to be allowed unsupervised access to the Internet.

Help us out then, what statistical category is Smith clearly superior?

Good question! I'd like to know where this blind loyalty comes from too!?! I know Carr is not the answer but I know he's better than Smith! The numbers may not ALWAYS tell the whole tail but they typically don't outright lie either... But dismissing that - I'd like to know how Smith is "any good" removing any excuses... Nas o speculation just cold hard facts about what he's GOOD AT "NOW" - not where he could be in a different universe if this, that or the other thing HAD happened... No one ever answers that question!


Dirty

You are both making assumptions. Read what I wrote. Don't read what you think I wrote. I pointed out that it is not possible to draw conclusions from the limited data. I would assume you realize that without knowledge of the strength of the team and the strength of the opposition, the data provided was worthless.

And the comment about how numbers can't lie is hilarious, as we all know how numbers can be distorted, spun or simply presented, as these were, without context.

And somehow one of you spins this statement of fact into "blind loyalty". There is nothing in my post that implies any support for any side in this argument.

Carr is smith #2, but I would still rather have him in there. I am just tired of watching Smith at QB...

i'm just gonna go ahead and say no.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Dirty9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Check the career numbers...

QB A -- 65 TDs / 70 INTs / 75 rating
QB B -- 39 TDs / 48 INTs / 69 rating

who's better?

numbers don't lie

A = David Carr
B = Alex Smith

(p.s. start David Carr please)

I say we do like Buffalo and cut Alex now like they did Trent Edwards good riddance

You can't answer the question with the limited data provided. And if you honestly believe numbers don't lie, you are too naive to be allowed unsupervised access to the Internet.

Help us out then, what statistical category is Smith clearly superior?

Good question! I'd like to know where this blind loyalty comes from too!?! I know Carr is not the answer but I know he's better than Smith! The numbers may not ALWAYS tell the whole tail but they typically don't outright lie either... But dismissing that - I'd like to know how Smith is "any good" removing any excuses... Nas o speculation just cold hard facts about what he's GOOD AT "NOW" - not where he could be in a different universe if this, that or the other thing HAD happened... No one ever answers that question!


Dirty

You are both making assumptions. Read what I wrote. Don't read what you think I wrote. I pointed out that it is not possible to draw conclusions from the limited data. I would assume you realize that without knowledge of the strength of the team and the strength of the opposition, the data provided was worthless.

And the comment about how numbers can't lie is hilarious, as we all know how numbers can be distorted, spun or simply presented, as these were, without context.

And somehow one of you spins this statement of fact into "blind loyalty". There is nothing in my post that implies any support for any side in this argument.

Your original statement identifies that you disagree with the OP's point of view. Why else would it be important enought for you to come out and comment on it if you didn't care either way...

All I'm asking is for you to help us see what it is that you see; but, we obviously don't.

Those are the only assumption I've made here, well those and the assumption that you are basing your point of view off of facts instead of raw emotion.

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by Chief:

he has nicer eyebrows than Smith. that's gotta be worth something. but I don't think he's an upgrade on the field.

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by Chief:

he has nicer eyebrows than Smith. that's gotta be worth something. but I don't think he's an upgrade on the field.

if they are gonna bench smith id rather see them play Nate Davis or Troy Smith. those 2 guys are still kind of a mystery it would be nice to see what they could do

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by Chief:

he has nicer eyebrows than Smith. that's gotta be worth something. but I don't think he's an upgrade on the field.

He may lack the intelligence of Smith and possibly the arm strength; but, I think he does have better ball placement. It may end up being a wash; but, I'd rather see our QB get the ball to players where they can make a play after the reception. With Smith, they're just trying to figure out where the ball is going to be placed this time and it's usually not in a location that allows them to get YAC...

Just my $0.02...

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Dirty9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Check the career numbers...

QB A -- 65 TDs / 70 INTs / 75 rating
QB B -- 39 TDs / 48 INTs / 69 rating

who's better?

numbers don't lie

A = David Carr
B = Alex Smith

(p.s. start David Carr please)

I say we do like Buffalo and cut Alex now like they did Trent Edwards good riddance

You can't answer the question with the limited data provided. And if you honestly believe numbers don't lie, you are too naive to be allowed unsupervised access to the Internet.

Help us out then, what statistical category is Smith clearly superior?

Good question! I'd like to know where this blind loyalty comes from too!?! I know Carr is not the answer but I know he's better than Smith! The numbers may not ALWAYS tell the whole tail but they typically don't outright lie either... But dismissing that - I'd like to know how Smith is "any good" removing any excuses... Nas o speculation just cold hard facts about what he's GOOD AT "NOW" - not where he could be in a different universe if this, that or the other thing HAD happened... No one ever answers that question!


Dirty

You are both making assumptions. Read what I wrote. Don't read what you think I wrote. I pointed out that it is not possible to draw conclusions from the limited data. I would assume you realize that without knowledge of the strength of the team and the strength of the opposition, the data provided was worthless.

And the comment about how numbers can't lie is hilarious, as we all know how numbers can be distorted, spun or simply presented, as these were, without context.

And somehow one of you spins this statement of fact into "blind loyalty". There is nothing in my post that implies any support for any side in this argument.

Wow talk about spin !!! No one said "numbers can't lie"! Your irrational lashing in random directions only proves the blind loyalty statement. P.S. under your criteria No one you are defending could ever fail... There just could never be enough data... What if Smith were wearing the wrong kind of socks verses an opponent and Carr wore the right kind of socks!?!? Dude!?!? Here's all the data that you need - Smith blows, Carr is better and Carr sucks!!!

Dirty

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Dirty9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Check the career numbers...

QB A -- 65 TDs / 70 INTs / 75 rating
QB B -- 39 TDs / 48 INTs / 69 rating

who's better?

numbers don't lie

A = David Carr
B = Alex Smith

(p.s. start David Carr please)

I say we do like Buffalo and cut Alex now like they did Trent Edwards good riddance

You can't answer the question with the limited data provided. And if you honestly believe numbers don't lie, you are too naive to be allowed unsupervised access to the Internet.

Help us out then, what statistical category is Smith clearly superior?

Good question! I'd like to know where this blind loyalty comes from too!?! I know Carr is not the answer but I know he's better than Smith! The numbers may not ALWAYS tell the whole tail but they typically don't outright lie either... But dismissing that - I'd like to know how Smith is "any good" removing any excuses... Nas o speculation just cold hard facts about what he's GOOD AT "NOW" - not where he could be in a different universe if this, that or the other thing HAD happened... No one ever answers that question!


Dirty

You are both making assumptions. Read what I wrote. Don't read what you think I wrote. I pointed out that it is not possible to draw conclusions from the limited data. I would assume you realize that without knowledge of the strength of the team and the strength of the opposition, the data provided was worthless.

And the comment about how numbers can't lie is hilarious, as we all know how numbers can be distorted, spun or simply presented, as these were, without context.

And somehow one of you spins this statement of fact into "blind loyalty". There is nothing in my post that implies any support for any side in this argument.

Your original statement identifies that you disagree with the OP's point of view. Why else would it be important enought for you to come out and comment on it if you didn't care either way...

All I'm asking is for you to help us see what it is that you see; but, we obviously don't.

Those are the only assumption I've made here, well those and the assumption that you are basing your point of view off of facts instead of raw emotion.

This is my last post on the subject. I have read your stuff before. I know you are not stupid. Perhaps I am not explaining it well.

My original statement clearly identifies that I disagree with the quoted post. He is drawing conclusions without adequate support. It doesn't matter which qb has which set of stats, this in itself does not support an argument to bench one and play another.

You make the assumption that because I challenged this, therefore I must prefer Smith. Maybe I do. Maybe I would like to see T Smith thrown in. Or maybe I want Davis brought back. Or maybe, just maybe, I just support the team. You mention raw emotion. There is way too much raw emotion and fuzzy thinking around here these last couple of days and I have no intention of contributing.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Dirty9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Check the career numbers...

QB A -- 65 TDs / 70 INTs / 75 rating
QB B -- 39 TDs / 48 INTs / 69 rating

who's better?

numbers don't lie

A = David Carr
B = Alex Smith

(p.s. start David Carr please)

I say we do like Buffalo and cut Alex now like they did Trent Edwards good riddance

You can't answer the question with the limited data provided. And if you honestly believe numbers don't lie, you are too naive to be allowed unsupervised access to the Internet.

Help us out then, what statistical category is Smith clearly superior?

Good question! I'd like to know where this blind loyalty comes from too!?! I know Carr is not the answer but I know he's better than Smith! The numbers may not ALWAYS tell the whole tail but they typically don't outright lie either... But dismissing that - I'd like to know how Smith is "any good" removing any excuses... Nas o speculation just cold hard facts about what he's GOOD AT "NOW" - not where he could be in a different universe if this, that or the other thing HAD happened... No one ever answers that question!


Dirty

You are both making assumptions. Read what I wrote. Don't read what you think I wrote. I pointed out that it is not possible to draw conclusions from the limited data. I would assume you realize that without knowledge of the strength of the team and the strength of the opposition, the data provided was worthless.

And the comment about how numbers can't lie is hilarious, as we all know how numbers can be distorted, spun or simply presented, as these were, without context.

And somehow one of you spins this statement of fact into "blind loyalty". There is nothing in my post that implies any support for any side in this argument.

Your original statement identifies that you disagree with the OP's point of view. Why else would it be important enought for you to come out and comment on it if you didn't care either way...

All I'm asking is for you to help us see what it is that you see; but, we obviously don't.

Those are the only assumption I've made here, well those and the assumption that you are basing your point of view off of facts instead of raw emotion.

This is my last post on the subject. I have read your stuff before. I know you are not stupid. Perhaps I am not explaining it well.

My original statement clearly identifies that I disagree with the quoted post. He is drawing conclusions without adequate support. It doesn't matter which qb has which set of stats, this in itself does not support an argument to bench one and play another.

You make the assumption that because I challenged this, therefore I must prefer Smith. Maybe I do. Maybe I would like to see T Smith thrown in. Or maybe I want Davis brought back. Or maybe, just maybe, I just support the team. You mention raw emotion. There is way too much raw emotion and fuzzy thinking around here these last couple of days and I have no intention of contributing.

That's cool but the point still lingers... The question was posed - statistics may not tell the whole tail but how is Smith better than Carr - Alexcusers always challenge the facts but never with a fact... You always wrap yourselves in an incomprehensible cloak of speculation; woulda, coulda, shoulda! How about a simple this is what he HAS done with what he had?!? i get that you are done but I just wanted to make sure that you understood that once again a fair question was posed and again there was no fair or critical response...

Dirty

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Dirty9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Check the career numbers...

QB A -- 65 TDs / 70 INTs / 75 rating
QB B -- 39 TDs / 48 INTs / 69 rating

who's better?

numbers don't lie

A = David Carr
B = Alex Smith

(p.s. start David Carr please)

I say we do like Buffalo and cut Alex now like they did Trent Edwards good riddance

You can't answer the question with the limited data provided. And if you honestly believe numbers don't lie, you are too naive to be allowed unsupervised access to the Internet.

Help us out then, what statistical category is Smith clearly superior?

Good question! I'd like to know where this blind loyalty comes from too!?! I know Carr is not the answer but I know he's better than Smith! The numbers may not ALWAYS tell the whole tail but they typically don't outright lie either... But dismissing that - I'd like to know how Smith is "any good" removing any excuses... Nas o speculation just cold hard facts about what he's GOOD AT "NOW" - not where he could be in a different universe if this, that or the other thing HAD happened... No one ever answers that question!


Dirty

You are both making assumptions. Read what I wrote. Don't read what you think I wrote. I pointed out that it is not possible to draw conclusions from the limited data. I would assume you realize that without knowledge of the strength of the team and the strength of the opposition, the data provided was worthless.

And the comment about how numbers can't lie is hilarious, as we all know how numbers can be distorted, spun or simply presented, as these were, without context.

And somehow one of you spins this statement of fact into "blind loyalty". There is nothing in my post that implies any support for any side in this argument.

Your original statement identifies that you disagree with the OP's point of view. Why else would it be important enought for you to come out and comment on it if you didn't care either way...

All I'm asking is for you to help us see what it is that you see; but, we obviously don't.

Those are the only assumption I've made here, well those and the assumption that you are basing your point of view off of facts instead of raw emotion.

This is my last post on the subject. I have read your stuff before. I know you are not stupid. Perhaps I am not explaining it well.

My original statement clearly identifies that I disagree with the quoted post. He is drawing conclusions without adequate support. It doesn't matter which qb has which set of stats, this in itself does not support an argument to bench one and play another.

You make the assumption that because I challenged this, therefore I must prefer Smith. Maybe I do. Maybe I would like to see T Smith thrown in. Or maybe I want Davis brought back. Or maybe, just maybe, I just support the team. You mention raw emotion. There is way too much raw emotion and fuzzy thinking around here these last couple of days and I have no intention of contributing.

Fair enough. I'll drop it...

davi carr....

Originally posted by 5timechamps:
davi carr....

Niners QB's on our roster....

Statistically speaking, David has had the best stats out of the bunch (which, granted, isn't saying much).

I dunno D about handing the offense to Carr, the guy just throws so many picks. And I use to be all for Smith because I didn't want Carr to see the field, but now not so much. We are frickin 0-3, so whats the worst that can happen 0-4.....why not.

Like I said before, maybe benching Smith will light a fire under his ass, again maybe not. But we gotta do something, I don't think the firing of Raye is the only thing that needs to be done.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I dunno D about handing the offense to Carr, the guy just throws so many picks. And I use to be all for Smith because I didn't want Carr to see the field, but now not so much. We are frickin 0-3, so whats the worst that can happen 0-4.....why not.

Like I said before, maybe benching Smith will light a fire under his ass, again maybe not. But we gotta do something, I don't think the firing of Raye is the only thing that needs to be done.

I know everyone is afraid of the picks; but if you look at the facts it paints a much different picture than just glancing over the numbers.

Out of the 2251 pass attempts David has made he's thrown an ugly 70 picks. Thats 1 out of every 31 attempts.

Alex, though, has only attempted 1297 passes and has thrown 48 picks. That comes out to one every 27 attempts.

Just watching the accuracy of the QB's playing last night convinced me that Alex just doesn't have what it takes to be an elite QB. And if were not developing him to be the QB of the future, then lets put in the QB who gives us the best chance to win right now...