Sing's opinion on the QB position . . .

Originally posted by Shaj:
I don't agree with Sing's assessment. Does he want us to be like the Baltimore Ravens SB run? That's nice, but having a QB like Manning, Brady, Brees, Warner, Phillips, Roethlisberger, Palmer, etc trumps having a Trent Dilfer like QB (which we do: Dilfer career rating - 70.2; A. Smith career rating - 69.2) every time. Look at how much better off the Ravens are with Flacco now.

You have a great QB, and the rest of the team gets better. You have an average QB (Smith is very average), and the rest of the team has to compensate.

What he fails to see is that the Ravens of yesteryear was a ONE hit wonder. With all the changes made to protect the passer and the receivers, it has become easier to score points through the air in today's NFL. That's why you see today that the more successful teams (consistently) are the passing teams.

I guess we'll see how long this smash mouth football philosophy is going to last!
It may make him but it could also break him!

Please, Zoners, don't be scared. Don't jump off the bridge. I can't ask you not to overreact, because this is the WebZone!!

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Kauaiguy:

Originally posted by Shaj:
I don't agree with Sing's assessment. Does he want us to be like the Baltimore Ravens SB run? That's nice, but having a QB like Manning, Brady, Brees, Warner, Phillips, Roethlisberger, Palmer, etc trumps having a Trent Dilfer like QB (which we do: Dilfer career rating - 70.2; A. Smith career rating - 69.2) every time. Look at how much better off the Ravens are with Flacco now.

You have a great QB, and the rest of the team gets better. You have an average QB (Smith is very average), and the rest of the team has to compensate.

What he fails to see is that the Ravens of yesteryear was a ONE hit wonder. With all the changes made to protect the passer and the receivers, it has become easier to score points through the air in today's NFL. That's why you see today that the more successful teams (consistently) are the passing teams.

I guess we'll see how long this smash mouth football philosophy is going to last!
It may make him but it could also break him!

I don't agree with this, but the Jets are a good example. Running game (#1 NFL), defense (#1 NFL), and the QB makes a couple of key throws.

I find it interesting that everyone is hammering this approach for a team that haven't been to the playoffs and still trying to get there. I'm just saying before we start saying "this is the answer", let's get there first and then talk about what will move us past the next hump.

And who beat them in the playoffs? Peyton Manning ... a passing team? ... and who won the Superbowl? Drew Brees ... a passing team? I rest my case!

Originally posted by Canadian49er:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Perfect examples for Mike Singletary's case:

Troy Aikman
John Elway
Phil Simms
Dan Marino
Mark Rypien
Brett Favre
Steve Young

These guys could never win a superbowl until the running game was the main focus and Marino never won it. Steve Young never won until our defense was better than our offense. They all had the capabilities to get the job done when needed but their superbowl wins weren't mainly because of them.

So, if Alex Smith is the QB on those those superbowl winning teams, you think they still win the superbowl???

Someone is trying really hard to convince himself that we'll be good

I think he could have won on those teams, Smith has alot more skill then Johnson/Dilfer combined. I dont know about the steelers, Ben does have that Favre like "Mavrick" to make something out of nothing...

Originally posted by gold49er2183:
I think it starts with the o-line. a good o-line can make a bad qb look great. no hate on tom brady but were would he be if he had a bad o-line his whole career

I can agree it starts with the line, but there have been many QBs behind good O-Lines that haven't done a damn thing. Looking at Brady, you can ask where he'd be without a good line, but where do you think their team would be without a great QB? Does anyone really believe they would have become a dynasty in the 2000s without Brady? I don't think so, not even with the best line in the business. I'll admit Brady isn't the best example because I fully believe Brady's success is due in large part to Bellichek's system, but at the same time, I don't believe they win 3 Super Bowls without him at QB. Peyton Manning and Drew Brees might be better examples, because without them, their teams don't win the championships they did.

Originally posted by tommyncal:
Does anyone else find this statement by Singletary perplexing or even scary? "To me, I still believe the quarterback position is really important. But I don't think it's what they make it out to be. 'The quarterback is the most important guy"...' I don't believe that. I really don't."

I couldn't agree more (and have said it many times here) with coach. The QB is the most dependent player on the field, playing the ultimate team sport. He has to rely on so many other guys to be able to do his job well. More so than anyone in sports.

A very good team with a crappy QB will get a lot further than a crappy team with a very good QB.

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

are you kidding?? I don't want admirable, that's like saying a moral victory!! again,buying into the B.S. that this team is spewing. yes, the kid has (on occasion) shown i little something. that's not enough. we need someone to take the lead, not "hope for the best". i have never seen him look confident. he looks like the kid playing soccer looking to his Dad on the sideline like "did i do good this time daddy?" instead of taking charge and kickin' A$$

Originally posted by cape49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

are you kidding?? I don't want admirable, that's like saying a moral victory!! again,buying into the B.S. that this team is spewing. yes, the kid has (on occasion) shown i little something. that's not enough. we need someone to take the lead, not "hope for the best". i have never seen him look confident. he looks like the kid playing soccer looking to his Dad on the sideline like "did i do good this time daddy?" instead of taking charge and kickin' A$$

All you said was "usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league" and I said I thought he did.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

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You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

are you kidding?? I don't want admirable, that's like saying a moral victory!! again,buying into the B.S. that this team is spewing. yes, the kid has (on occasion) shown i little something. that's not enough. we need someone to take the lead, not "hope for the best". i have never seen him look confident. he looks like the kid playing soccer looking to his Dad on the sideline like "did i do good this time daddy?" instead of taking charge and kickin' A$$

All you said was "usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league" and I said I thought he did.

o.k. now i understand what you meant. these other clowns that keep saying "it's not just about the quarterback" are making me CRAZY!! you're right guys, it's NOT, BUT that is really the only position that this team needs to upgrade to get us to where we want to be. This guy is entering his 6th season!! his best year was his 2nd season (which gavintech was nice enough to pint out) 16 starts 16TD's 16 INT's
that's his BEST?!?!

Originally posted by cape49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

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are you kidding?? I don't want admirable, that's like saying a moral victory!! again,buying into the B.S. that this team is spewing. yes, the kid has (on occasion) shown i little something. that's not enough. we need someone to take the lead, not "hope for the best". i have never seen him look confident. he looks like the kid playing soccer looking to his Dad on the sideline like "did i do good this time daddy?" instead of taking charge and kickin' A$$

All you said was "usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league" and I said I thought he did.

o.k. now i understand what you meant. these other clowns that keep saying "it's not just about the quarterback" are making me CRAZY!! you're right guys, it's NOT, BUT that is really the only position that this team needs to upgrade to get us to where we want to be. This guy is entering his 6th season!! his best year was his 2nd season (which gavintech was nice enough to pint out) 16 starts 16TD's 16 INT's
that's his BEST?!?!

We'll based on last years numbers (18TD's, 12INT's, 81.5 rating based on 11 games played/starting in 10), I'd say he's definitely shown improvement. The people that are down on Alex I think are vastly oversimplifying the circumstances. It's not as easy as just going out and "kicking a$$." You can't just will yourself to win playing on a terrible team.

Not to make excuses for the kid, but take a look at the facts:

-The revolving door at OC, and the changing of schemes/philosophies every year.

-The sorry crop of wide receivers.

-The incompetency along the O-Line.

-The sacks allowed, and subsequent injury.

-The being forced back into the lineup before he was ready by an idiot head coach.

There's no way you can take all that into account and reasonably expect Alex to show more than he has. Simply put, he was never put into a position to succeed. Were it as easy as most of you make it out to be every QB in the league would be throwing for 5000+ yards a year. But with that said, I'm definitely on board with the thought that this season is make or break for him. It seems that now he finally has all the necessary tools at his disposal.

If he can't showed marked improvement this year, then I agree we should look into upgrading the QB position.

[ Edited by baltien on Apr 26, 2010 at 13:39:34 ]

Originally posted by ajsjohnson:
How did this become an "OL vs. QB" competition?
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I'd like to know why this post turned in this direction also. This post is about Singletary's vision and philosophy, not about the OL and defense.We all know you have to have a good Ol and a good defense. Everybody knows that. This is about being hired as a head coach of a nfl team and saying that you believe the best chances of winning a superbowl (not just getting into the playoffs) are to try and build a dominant defense and a dominant power running game. As opposed to saying the nfl is now a passing league and the team needs a franchise QB to guide the team in that direction.
Why do you think all the talk during the draft was to get safeties that were good in pass coverage, why are pass specialists a priority (not to stop the run) and why are 19 of the last 22 superbowl qbs franchise type qbs! I just strongly disagree with Sing's vision and hope it doesn't take too long for him to change or for Jed to change him.

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

This pretty much says it all. You guys trying to put it all on the QB just do not have a clue do you?

Quote:
The performance of a quarterback has to be manipulated," he once said, "To a degree, coaching can make a quarterback, and it is certainly the most important factor in his success.

-Bill Walsh