Sing's opinion on the QB position . . .

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

that's great logic. Therefore we should be satisfied with Tim Couch like stats under the stewardship of Alex Smith. Complacent fans and team management is what is going to kill this franchise. You think Eddie D would put up with these kind of QB results? Walsh? Lombardi?

Originally posted by gold49er2183:
I think it starts with the o-line. a good o-line can make a bad qb look great. no hate on tom brady but were would he be if he had a bad o-line his whole career

I agree....all the QB great that has been consistent, they all had an OL.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

This pretty much says it all. You guys trying to put it all on the QB just do not have a clue do you?

Damn! . . . I guess I should have looked harder to find the one exception in the last 25 years !

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

that's great logic. Therefore we should be satisfied with Tim Couch like stats under the stewardship of Alex Smith. Complacent fans and team management is what is going to kill this franchise. You think Eddie D would put up with these kind of QB results? Walsh? Lombardi?

Well, truly, there are some people who are just best ignored.

Noone is going to say that a QB is going to get results all by himself, but the fact that Singletary doesn't understand that QB is the single most important position on the team is indeed troubling. As are many other aspects of his custodianship. If you had the choice of having the one best player at his position on your team, it would be the QB.

I believe that the Niners will never be a serious or consistent challenger for top honors in the NFL for so long as Singletary is the head coach. It's problematic that he is stuck on an antiquated way of thinking . . . and honestly believes that pep talk has greater value than a game plan.

The organization whiffed at the opportunity to bring in some serious credibility with either Holmgren or Shanahan, both with ties to the Niners. I would be overjoyed if they could bring in somebody with smarts, like Dungy. If he could be coaxed out of retirement to lead the front office on football matters.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

This pretty much says it all. You guys trying to put it all on the QB just do not have a clue do you?

. This is such bad logic.

he's a coach trying to put it on his entire team all 53 guys. Don't hang on wording to much.

Originally posted by cape49er:
o.k. now i understand what you meant. these other clowns that keep saying "it's not just about the quarterback" are making me CRAZY!!

I agree with them, probably more so than they do.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

that's great logic. Therefore we should be satisfied with Tim Couch like stats under the stewardship of Alex Smith. Complacent fans and team management is what is going to kill this franchise. You think Eddie D would put up with these kind of QB results? Walsh? Lombardi?

Well, truly, there are some people who are just best ignored.

Noone is going to say that a QB is going to get results all by himself, but the fact that Singletary doesn't understand that QB is the single most important position on the team is indeed troubling. As are many other aspects of his custodianship. If you had the choice of having the one best player at his position on your team, it would be the QB.

I believe that the Niners will never be a serious or consistent challenger for top honors in the NFL for so long as Singletary is the head coach. It's problematic that he is stuck on an antiquated way of thinking . . . and honestly believes that pep talk has greater value than a game plan.

The organization whiffed at the opportunity to bring in some serious credibility with either Holmgren or Shanahan, both with ties to the Niners. I would be overjoyed if they could bring in somebody with smarts, like Dungy. If he could be coaxed out of retirement to lead the front office on football matters.

I think we messed up big time by not nabbing Holmgren. If we had been preparing for McCloughan's departure for a long time, then we would have fired his ass some months back and hired Holmgren, who would have given his left testicle to be our GM. That would have also meant back to the west coast system, and I'm not sure if that renders our pre-draft personnel less useful. Certainly Hill would have thrived in Holmgren's system, much more than Smith ever could (with less than 5 years of time to learn it).

Originally posted by domingo360:
The Alex Smith of right now would've won the superbowl with Dilfer's Ravens... and probably Brad Johnson's Bucs... and probably with the steelers when Big Ben won his first, etc

Originally posted by titan:
His theory is correct depending on what type of offense you play. You can't be on a pass happy offense and not have your QB as the most important player. During Peyton Manning and Drew Brees Superbowl wins ,can you replace them with Alex Smith to win a Superbowl? Probably No! could Alex Smith replaced Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson during Baltimore Ravens and Tampa Bay Super Bowl years? I would say Yes! In our situation Alex Smith doesn't have to be the most important player, he just have to be solid.

wow just WOW ....is this how most Alex fans feel?

first we have to make the playoffs, then we have to beat teams in the playoffs...not regular teams, but the BEST teams in the league, with either the Best Defenses or a very good ones.....then you have the Super Bowl....

As much as everyone wants to blame the Oline, WRs, RBs, OCs, slippery Footballs or what ever... Alex still has deficiencies that opposing DCs will easily exploit.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by domingo360:
The Alex Smith of right now would've won the superbowl with Dilfer's Ravens... and probably Brad Johnson's Bucs... and probably with the steelers when Big Ben won his first, etc

Originally posted by titan:
His theory is correct depending on what type of offense you play. You can't be on a pass happy offense and not have your QB as the most important player. During Peyton Manning and Drew Brees Superbowl wins ,can you replace them with Alex Smith to win a Superbowl? Probably No! could Alex Smith replaced Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson during Baltimore Ravens and Tampa Bay Super Bowl years? I would say Yes! In our situation Alex Smith doesn't have to be the most important player, he just have to be solid.

wow just WOW ....is this how most Alex fans feel?

first we have to make the playoffs, then we have to beat teams in the playoffs...not regular teams, but the BEST teams in the league, with either the Best Defenses or a very good ones.....then you have the Super Bowl....

As much as everyone wants to blame the Oline, WRs, RBs, OCs, slippery Footballs or what ever... Alex still has deficiencies that opposing DCs will easily exploit.

With Singletary's motivational skill, Canton has started making statue for Alex Smith. All fans on the zone knew that, where have you been?

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by domingo360:
The Alex Smith of right now would've won the superbowl with Dilfer's Ravens... and probably Brad Johnson's Bucs... and probably with the steelers when Big Ben won his first, etc

Originally posted by titan:
His theory is correct depending on what type of offense you play. You can't be on a pass happy offense and not have your QB as the most important player. During Peyton Manning and Drew Brees Superbowl wins ,can you replace them with Alex Smith to win a Superbowl? Probably No! could Alex Smith replaced Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson during Baltimore Ravens and Tampa Bay Super Bowl years? I would say Yes! In our situation Alex Smith doesn't have to be the most important player, he just have to be solid.

wow just WOW ....is this how most Alex fans feel?

first we have to make the playoffs, then we have to beat teams in the playoffs...not regular teams, but the BEST teams in the league, with either the Best Defenses or a very good ones.....then you have the Super Bowl....

As much as everyone wants to blame the Oline, WRs, RBs, OCs, slippery Footballs or what ever... Alex still has deficiencies that opposing DCs will easily exploit.

Truth. Knowing that the Niners are loaded at the skill positions, DCs will use overload and delayed blitzes on Alex Smith because he has shown the tendency to panic and make bad throws. Proof of this is in the Eagles, AZ & Tennessee games.

Raye could call quick slants for him like the Pats do for Brady, but he doesn't have a quick enough release, touch & accuracy to pull it off consistently.

Singletary was the leader in arguably the best defense of all time. They had a mediocre QB in Jim McMahan. He's partially speaking from his own experience. He is also trying to pump up his team.

I want to respond to those making the argument that a top flight Qb is essential to get through the playoffs and into the SB. Names like Manning, Brady, Farve, Warner, Rivers, McNabb and Brees are frequently invoked to support that argument.

So let's look at the QB's rating when their team lost in the playoffs this last year:
Palmer - 58.3
McNabb - 68.5
Brady - 49.1
Rogers - 121.3
Warner - 73.4
Flacco - 48.4
Romo - 66.1
Rivers - 76.9
Sanchez - 93.3
Favre - 70.0
Manning - 88.5
Average = 74.0

Other than Rogers (121.3) and Sanchez (93.3) the other top QBs stunk it up in the playoffs. And it also shows that even with the good QB play of Rogers and Snachez, their teams still lost. The lesson is exactly what Sing is saying: it is foolishness to neglect the building of your entire team and it takes a complete team to win, especially if your great QB is struggling that day.

As for Alex, of the 11 games he played in last season, he only had 4 games in which his rating was lower than 74.0. Indeed, his best 7 games were 118.6, 88.8, 74.7, 96.8, 97.5 and 97.6. Considering the weaknesses he had to deal with, he did very well.

Finally, while we should be heartened by our first two picks, reality tells us that we will struggle for awhile until these newcomers have learned the techniques and gained the experience to be dependable and dominant. Yes, I am giving Alex another EXCUSE!

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

that's great logic. Therefore we should be satisfied with Tim Couch like stats under the stewardship of Alex Smith. Complacent fans and team management is what is going to kill this franchise. You think Eddie D would put up with these kind of QB results? Walsh? Lombardi?

Well, truly, there are some people who are just best ignored.

Noone is going to say that a QB is going to get results all by himself, but the fact that Singletary doesn't understand that QB is the single most important position on the team is indeed troubling. As are many other aspects of his custodianship. If you had the choice of having the one best player at his position on your team, it would be the QB.

I believe that the Niners will never be a serious or consistent challenger for top honors in the NFL for so long as Singletary is the head coach. It's problematic that he is stuck on an antiquated way of thinking . . . and honestly believes that pep talk has greater value than a game plan.

The organization whiffed at the opportunity to bring in some serious credibility with either Holmgren or Shanahan, both with ties to the Niners. I would be overjoyed if they could bring in somebody with smarts, like Dungy. If he could be coaxed out of retirement to lead the front office on football matters.

I think we messed up big time by not nabbing Holmgren. If we had been preparing for McCloughan's departure for a long time, then we would have fired his ass some months back and hired Holmgren, who would have given his left testicle to be our GM. That would have also meant back to the west coast system, and I'm not sure if that renders our pre-draft personnel less useful. Certainly Hill would have thrived in Holmgren's system, much more than Smith ever could (with less than 5 years of time to learn it).

Why the f**k are people still wishing for Holmgren? We had a way better draft than the Browns.

And, newsflash, but the WCO ain't coming back.

Originally posted by excelsior:
I want to respond to those making the argument that a top flight Qb is essential to get through the playoffs and into the SB. Names like Manning, Brady, Farve, Warner, Rivers, McNabb and Brees are frequently invoked to support that argument.

So let's look at the QB's rating when their team lost in the playoffs this last year:
Palmer - 58.3
McNabb - 68.5
Brady - 49.1
Rogers - 121.3
Warner - 73.4
Flacco - 48.4
Romo - 66.1
Rivers - 76.9
Sanchez - 93.3
Favre - 70.0
Manning - 88.5
Average = 74.0

Other than Rogers (121.3) and Sanchez (93.3) the other top QBs stunk it up in the playoffs. And it also shows that even with the good QB play of Rogers and Snachez, their teams still lost. The lesson is exactly what Sing is saying: it is foolishness to neglect the building of your entire team and it takes a complete team to win, especially if your great QB is struggling that day.

As for Alex, of the 11 games he played in last season, he only had 4 games in which his rating was lower than 74.0. Indeed, his best 7 games were 118.6, 88.8, 74.7, 96.8, 97.5 and 97.6. Considering the weaknesses he had to deal with, he did very well.

Finally, while we should be heartened by our first two picks, reality tells us that we will struggle for awhile until these newcomers have learned the techniques and gained the experience to be dependable and dominant. Yes, I am giving Alex another EXCUSE!

But you see, those QB's come through went it counts, help won games that took their team to the next level. Comparing QB stats when teams lose is pretty much meaningless.