Roger Craig Snubbed

Originally posted by Legbreaker:


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3) Once again meaningless stats. YPT? totally irrelevant. Just one of the categories he's near the top in and you decided to throw out there.

How is YPT a meaningless stat? It's a ratio that blends rushing yards and receiving yards. When making the case for a guy like Craig it is imperative to look at rushes as well as receptions.

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4) That's all good and fine but with marginal stats it doesn't give him that eye appeal to select him. Especially now that his one "speciality" has been surpassed by the likes of Larry Centers, Keith byars and Ronnie freaking Harmon. Not exactly HOFers there now are they. And agian, Otis Anderson could be argued to be the 1st real dueal threat and he's not in and has more YFS than Craig

Centers was a pass catcher with almost no rushing ability, plus he lacks the individual accolades that Craig earned during his career. Byars was moved to TE because he couldn't run...his finished his career there. Ronnie Harmon couldn't run either. Otis Anderson was productive, but his numbers were complied over a much longer career, and his best season receiving was for 611 yards. He ever had another season receiving like that in his career. Now add that none of the above was ever the leagues leading pass catcher, and that all of them but Anderson came after Roger was already retired. Why compare Roger to players that retired years after he did? Shouldn't he be measured by where his numbers stacked up when he was done?

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With that said, it wouldn't be any different that putting him in and leaving Otis Anderson, Warrick Dunn and Ricky watters out. They all had better YFS stats than Craig and I wouldn't put any of them 3 in either.

Dunn and Watters came into the league after Craig was retired. Their numbers should have no bearing on his inclusion or exclusion from the Hall. When Craig retired, these guys hadn't even played pro ball yet.

1) it's just ridiculous! YPC doesn't mean squat, YPR doesn't mean squat. So why should YPT?

2) Wasn't really comparing them per se. Was just showing how any "Rum-Dum" RB can get alot of catches.

3) But Watters is eligible for the HOF just like Craig. So why should he have no bearing on him? If the committee looks at both of them side by side they have to give it to Watters.

If Craig's numbers stacked up against the guys from his ERA he would have been inducted when his ERA got in. Now he's trying to get in and have a whole new ERA to deal with.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LB49ers:

Originally posted by krizay:
i'll try this again since I think my last attempt got lost somewhere.


Reggie Bush (widely considered a bust) career averages...

60 games
34.8 yards a game rushing. 17 td's
35.7 yards a game receiving. 12 td's

For a total of 70.5 yards from scrimmage a game. and .48 Td's per game

Roger Craig
165 games
49.6 yards a game rushing 56 td's
29.7 yards a game receiving 17 td's

for a total of 79.3 yards from scrimmage a game. and a .44 td's per game average.


So Reggie Bush is considered a bust and Roger Carig is HOF material? Let's face it, Craig only had 3 HOF caliber seasons.

Not enough to get in, in my book!

Did Bush spend his first two years in the league as a full back?

Unless Craig was a full time FB, which he wasn't, it has no bearing on his career totals.

For the first 4.5 seasons of his career he was. Just saying.

Only by title. Fact is he lead the team in rushing attempts every year in SF except 84.

He was tied with tyler in 83 had almost 100 less than tyler in 84 and 40 more than tyler in 85. So your stat is a little misleading

Originally posted by LB49ers:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LB49ers:

Originally posted by krizay:
i'll try this again since I think my last attempt got lost somewhere.


Reggie Bush (widely considered a bust) career averages...

60 games
34.8 yards a game rushing. 17 td's
35.7 yards a game receiving. 12 td's

For a total of 70.5 yards from scrimmage a game. and .48 Td's per game

Roger Craig
165 games
49.6 yards a game rushing 56 td's
29.7 yards a game receiving 17 td's

for a total of 79.3 yards from scrimmage a game. and a .44 td's per game average.


So Reggie Bush is considered a bust and Roger Carig is HOF material? Let's face it, Craig only had 3 HOF caliber seasons.

Not enough to get in, in my book!

Did Bush spend his first two years in the league as a full back?

Unless Craig was a full time FB, which he wasn't, it has no bearing on his career totals.

For the first 4.5 seasons of his career he was. Just saying.

Only by title. Fact is he lead the team in rushing attempts every year in SF except 84.

He was tied with tyler in 83 had almost 100 less than tyler in 84 and 40 more than tyler in 85. So your stat is a little misleading

as is the whole FB title.

With the hoopla that is sure to come from Willis being snubbed, I just cannot see Craig not making the HoF via the special vet committee now. 20 finalists, with 10 ultimately being voted on yes/no. It's highly unlikely any player who makes the final 10 doesn't get enough yes votes.

Here are the 20 finalists, with the 80s-90s players highlighted. Between Craig and Covert as the only later 80s/ early 90s candidates it's obvious Craig is the better candidate to represent the NFL in the early 90s.

Cliff Branch, WR - 1972-1985 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders
Harold Carmichael, WR - 1971-1983 Philadelphia Eagles, 1984 Dallas Cowboys
Jim Covert, T - 1983-1990 Chicago Bears
Roger Craig, RB - 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings
Bobby Dillon, S - 1952-59 Green Bay Packers
LaVern Dilweg, E - 1926 Milwaukee Badgers, 1927-1934 Green Bay Packers
Ox Emerson, G/LB/C - 1931-37 Portsmouth Spartans/Detroit Lions, 1938 Brooklyn Dodgers
Randy Gradishar, LB - 1974-1983 Denver Broncos
Cliff Harris, S - 1970-79 Dallas Cowboys
Winston Hill, T - 1963-1976 New York Jets, 1977 Los Angeles Rams
Cecil Isbell, TB/DB/HB - 1938-1942 Green Bay Packers
Alex Karras, DT - 1958-1962, 1964-1970 Detroit Lions
Verne Lewellen, HB - 1924-27, 1928-1932 Green Bay Packers, 1927 New York Yankees
Tommy Nobis, LB - 1966-1976 Atlanta Falcons
Drew Pearson, WR - 1973-1983 Dallas Cowboys
Donnie Shell, S - 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers
Duke Slater, T - 1922 Milwaukee Badgers, 1922-25 Rock Island Independents, 1926-1931 Chicago Cardinals
Mac Speedie, E - 1946-1952 Cleveland Browns [AAFC/NFL]
Ed Sprinkle, DE/LB/E - 1944-1955 Chicago Bears
Al Wistert, OT/DT/G - 1943 Phil-Pitt, 1944-1951 Philadelphia Eagles

Better get this right, HoF voters.

Stats aside he did play on championship teams that he was an integral part of and was the new west coast offense type back that I think helped change the way the game was played. For that I think he is a hall of fame player

he deserves to be in, so does dwight clark tbh.

Catfish was the first player in NFL history to run for 1,000 yards and have 1,000 yards in receptions in a single season. That being done only two more times since (Faulk in 99 and McCaffrey this season). I wonder if McCaffrey's accomplishment has been a factor in bringing Craig's name to light again this year.

He and Thurman Thomas were the best two all purpose backs in their era...Thomas is already in the HOF...

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Catfish was the first player in NFL history to run for 1,000 yards and have 1,000 yards in receptions in a single season. That being done only two more times since (Faulk in 99 and McCaffrey this season). I wonder if McCaffrey's accomplishment has been a factor in bringing Craig's name to light again this year.

He and Thurman Thomas were the best two all purpose backs in their era...Thomas is already in the HOF...

You could also make an argument for him as Super Bowl MVP in Super Bowl XIX. Joe deserved it but 3 TDs and over 60 yards rushing and receiving respectively is a very great game on the biggest stage.

Teams had to gameplan to stop him. He was All Pro. Took the WCO to another level.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

he deserves to be in, so does dwight clark tbh.

Dwight Clark is a bay area legend, but he doesn't deserve to be a HOFer. He was only an All-Pro once, only had 1,000+ yds once, and only had double digit TD's once. Very good player, but not a HOF worthy player.

I hate roger craig he cost the 3peat, not a HOFer.

Originally posted by susweel:

I hate roger craig he cost the 3peat, not a HOFer.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
he deserves to be in, so does dwight clark tbh.

Dwight Clark is a bay area legend, but he doesn't deserve to be a HOFer. He was only an All-Pro once, only had 1,000+ yds once, and only had double digit TD's once. Very good player, but not a HOF worthy player.

I agree there. Clark is not a Hall of Famer.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
he deserves to be in, so does dwight clark tbh.

Dwight Clark is a bay area legend, but he doesn't deserve to be a HOFer. He was only an All-Pro once, only had 1,000+ yds once, and only had double digit TD's once. Very good player, but not a HOF worthy player.

I agree there. Clark is not a Hall of Famer.

only because of the knee injury. his first two years he was playing at a hyper elite level.

He was good, but his biggest legacy is costing his team a super bowl.