Isaac Sopoaga moving to NT | Page 5

May 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM

49ersalldaway126
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ok hes definitely not garbage he is great DE

May 9, 2011 at 7:00 PM

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Originally posted by FreddyG:
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Im all for it.......that man is a line mover......he is sole reason why Justin Smith is a Pro Bowler.

I disagree with this. He has absolutely nothing to do with Justin Smith being a pro-bowler. Soap gets zero penetration and due to this, make it easier for the offense to block Manny or who ever else in playing next to him. He holds the line well and enables Willis to make plays, but as far as him being a play maker, he is the strongest weakest link on the DL.

The strongest weakest link.....what does that even mean,....he's the Merlin Olsen to the Deacon Jones.

how many times he benched 225 at the combine...hes strong...but a weak player...*sigh*

and this is coming from........probably a guy who doesnt even weigh 225......a weak player the man has been a consistent starter in the NFL, you gotta be a strong player to do that.....

225 would be way too big for me im 5'10 175 but back on topic... yeah dude is garbage.

Dude is not garbage.....
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how is he not?

Nobody moves him on the line......he does all the dirty work...... like occupie space..... takes him self along with two OL out of the play.....stats and camera angles following the ball doesnt really show what he does for our D-Line. The man may not be All Pro materiel but hes not garbage, I bet if he leaves and we go as is our D-line gets really crappy.

i doubt it hes not football smart. yeah hes strong but hes never around the ball making plays

He's not supposed to be.....his job on the line is to have 2 or more defenders block him out of the play so others can make the play around the ball, anybody who knows how our defensive scheme works will tell you, he does his job to perfection.

May 9, 2011 at 7:14 PM

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Originally posted by Negrodamus:
soap is all washed up. plain and simple, he is garbage

Sopoaga may not be great, but he is not garbage! I'll be interested to see what Vic Fangio can do with him.

May 9, 2011 at 7:26 PM

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We already tried him at NT, and it didn't work out. He's a DE in a 3-4, keep him there.

May 9, 2011 at 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
We already tried him at NT, and it didn't work out. He's a DE in a 3-4, keep him there.

I remember him stating a few years back, that he doesn't like the NT position. Nolan was still the coach.

May 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by FreddyG:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
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Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by FreddyG:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by ttime:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Im all for it.......that man is a line mover......he is sole reason why Justin Smith is a Pro Bowler.

I disagree with this. He has absolutely nothing to do with Justin Smith being a pro-bowler. Soap gets zero penetration and due to this, make it easier for the offense to block Manny or who ever else in playing next to him. He holds the line well and enables Willis to make plays, but as far as him being a play maker, he is the strongest weakest link on the DL.

The strongest weakest link.....what does that even mean,....he's the Merlin Olsen to the Deacon Jones.

how many times he benched 225 at the combine...hes strong...but a weak player...*sigh*

and this is coming from........probably a guy who doesnt even weigh 225......a weak player the man has been a consistent starter in the NFL, you gotta be a strong player to do that.....

225 would be way too big for me im 5'10 175 but back on topic... yeah dude is garbage.

Dude is not garbage.....
+ Show all quotes
how is he not?

Nobody moves him on the line......he does all the dirty work...... like occupie space..... takes him self along with two OL out of the play.....stats and camera angles following the ball doesnt really show what he does for our D-Line. The man may not be All Pro materiel but hes not garbage, I bet if he leaves and we go as is our D-line gets really crappy.

i doubt it hes not football smart. yeah hes strong but hes never around the ball making plays

.. Sopoaga is not asked to be a play-making DE. Wow. Come on now. He has a specific purpose and that is space-eating and containment and he does an excellent job of both. From time to time, you will see him put in a situation where he can make a play, and he has made some, but that's not his primary responsibility.

Guys like Brett Keisel (PIT), Kedrick Golston (WASH), Luis Castillo (SD), Sione Pouha (NYJ), and Marcus Spears (DAL) all play virtually the same role with their teams. Some of these guys aren't more well-known because of it, but make no mistake, they're highly valued by their teams.

Sopoaga has been doing a fine job for a long time and people need to understand that just because he's not in there racking up enormous sack numbers, that doesn't mean he's a terrible player all of a sudden. Our line would be MUCH worse without him.

May 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM

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I think he does a good job at DE. Just don't play him at NT.

May 10, 2011 at 11:54 AM

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He's a good run stuffer.
Sucks at QB hurring and edging.

May 10, 2011 at 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by TonyStarks:
He's a good run stuffer.
Sucks at QB hurring and edging.

In today's NFL you can't have superstars at every position. Soap is a very solid role player, we need guys like that. I dont understand fans that expect a Patrick Willis at every position...lol.

It is very unlikely that Soap is "garbage", because we have such a studdly run D. Furthermore, stats will show ( I believe) that opponents have a very difficult running to his side, which also includes Manny Lawson. Oh wait, dont they both suck....?

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May 10, 2011 at 12:21 PM

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A thread that goes round in circles that isnt about Alex Smith

May 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by English:
A thread that goes round in circles that isnt about Alex Smith

great... now you said his name and that is where this thread will go, even though it has to do with a defensive player...

dick

May 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

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Sopoaga's development at the nose was stunted over the past six years. Smith clearly held this guy back from his full potential.

May 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by redrathman:
Sopoaga's development at the nose was stunted over the past six years. Smith clearly held this guy back from his full potential.

And which Smith would that be, Aldon, Reggie, Alex, Justin, Paul...on an on.

May 10, 2011 at 3:37 PM

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Soap aint fat enough to play the nose. We need a fat ass in the middle

May 10, 2011 at 4:37 PM

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Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Soap aint fat enough to play the nose. We need a fat ass in the middle

You mean like this guy? 360 Lbs.

I guess you're right... at 330 lbs, Sopoaga isn't fat. He's muscle.