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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
97-102-1
since 2009
What are they since they took over the team? All time.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
The York family fired 2 winning HC (Harbaugh and Mariucci), and the result is 1 winning season out of 14 seasons (2003 to 2010, 2015-2020).
Harbaugh knew they were kicking him out. York should have giving him a contract extension in his 3rd season with the team.
This is sad, because it leads to a league wide understanding that you will not be rewarded for success with the San Francisco 49ers. As a coach or player, it all comes down to if they like you and not what you do on the field.
How can you explain Compton making the team, and then starting a game after a rookie started and played well at tackle this year? How is Jimmy G still starting? Is player development and scouting THAT bad?
The Debartolo-York era will be most known for the players they passed up in the draft and the winning coaches they moved on from in order to clear the way for losing coaches. Whereas the Eddie D Era was very successful by bringing in the right coaches, drafting well, and creating a very challenging environment for everyone. Eddie D would do whatever it took to win, accountability was always present within the 49ers organization because there was a real Leader/Boss in charge.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
The York family fired 2 winning HC (Harbaugh and Mariucci), and the result is 1 winning season out of 14 seasons (2003 to 2010, 2015-2020).
Harbaugh knew they were kicking him out. York should have giving him a contract extension in his 3rd season with the team.
This is sad, because it leads to a league wide understanding that you will not be rewarded for success with the San Francisco 49ers. As a coach or player, it all comes down to if they like you and not what you do on the field.
How can you explain Compton making the team, and then starting a game after a rookie started and played well at tackle this year? How is Jimmy G still starting? Is player development and scouting THAT bad?
The Debartolo-York era will be most known for the players they passed up in the draft and the winning coaches they moved on from in order to clear the way for losing coaches. Whereas the Eddie D Era was very successful by bringing in the right coaches, drafting well, and creating a very challenging environment for everyone. Eddie D would do whatever it took to win, accountability was always present within the 49ers organization because there was a real Leader/Boss in charge.
You can't compare the Eddie D days to the current regime. Eddie had no salary cap so he spent whatever he wanted. There was no free agency to deal with either. Eddie screwed up big time with his first GM hire. Joe Thomas made a terrible trade that for O J Simpson. (one1st, 2 seconds, a 3rd and a 4th) Simpson could barely run at that point. Eddie realized after a couple years that Thomas was the wrong guy and hit pay dirt with Walsh.
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
97-102-1
since 2009
So the equivalent of a 6/7 win team. I expect that record to get worse as the years go on
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
They hired the guy most of the forum wanted, gave him whatever he needed and got out of his way, like what people had been wanting them to do for years.
Now people are apparently upset that they aren't involved enough in micromanaging the franchise. This place is bipolar as hell.
Originally posted by spizzy:
We will never win a super bowl with this bum in charge. Says he only cares about super bowls, but never holds anyone accountable.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
The York family fired 2 winning HC (Harbaugh and Mariucci), and the result is 1 winning season out of 14 seasons (2003 to 2010, 2015-2020).
Harbaugh knew they were kicking him out. York should have giving him a contract extension in his 3rd season with the team.
This is sad, because it leads to a league wide understanding that you will not be rewarded for success with the San Francisco 49ers. As a coach or player, it all comes down to if they like you and not what you do on the field.
How can you explain Compton making the team, and then starting a game after a rookie started and played well at tackle this year? How is Jimmy G still starting? Is player development and scouting THAT bad?
The Debartolo-York era will be most known for the players they passed up in the draft and the winning coaches they moved on from in order to clear the way for losing coaches. Whereas the Eddie D Era was very successful by bringing in the right coaches, drafting well, and creating a very challenging environment for everyone. Eddie D would do whatever it took to win, accountability was always present within the 49ers organization because there was a real Leader/Boss in charge.
You can't compare the Eddie D days to the current regime. Eddie had no salary cap so he spent whatever he wanted. There was no free agency to deal with either. Eddie screwed up big time with his first GM hire. Joe Thomas made a terrible trade that for O J Simpson. (one1st, 2 seconds, a 3rd and a 4th) Simpson could barely run at that point. Eddie realized after a couple years that Thomas was the wrong guy and hit pay dirt with Walsh.
BINGO
& the 5 Super Bowl trophy's that followed proves my point. Not only did Eddie D have a salary cap towards the end, Eddie is probably the soul reason why most sports have a salary cap.
Originally posted by captveg:
What is "accountable"? Firing a head coach after any losing season? Firing the HC after every loss?
EVERYONE WANTED SHANAHAN.
E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E.
Nobody is happy with how 2020 and 2021 have gone. But what are the better options out there? There's certainly no one better to find THIS WEEK.
Who is available as GM and HC this offseason that will go 9-8 or better next season if they fire Shanahan and Lynch? WHO?
We're basically in the same position that the Eagles were in last year - a HC who got to the SB (they won in their case) but had middling seasons afterwards. They fired him, and has the new HC done any better this season? NOPE
Originally posted by spizzy:
Originally posted by captveg:
What is "accountable"? Firing a head coach after any losing season? Firing the HC after every loss?
EVERYONE WANTED SHANAHAN.
E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E.
Nobody is happy with how 2020 and 2021 have gone. But what are the better options out there? There's certainly no one better to find THIS WEEK.
Who is available as GM and HC this offseason that will go 9-8 or better next season if they fire Shanahan and Lynch? WHO?
We're basically in the same position that the Eagles were in last year - a HC who got to the SB (they won in their case) but had middling seasons afterwards. They fired him, and has the new HC done any better this season? NOPE
I'm not saying fire Shanahan. He is not solely responsible for personnel and injuries
Accountability in terms of personnel decisions. Meaning making it clear to Lynch to stop taking fliers on guys with injury histories. Talking to Kyle about his b******t doghouses he has with young players. Investing in a competent training staff so we dont have these injuries every damn year.
Investing in positions that we seem to NEED EVERY YEAR such as OL, CB, EDGE. I cannot stand when Lynch says "we like the guys we have"
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
The York family fired 2 winning HC (Harbaugh and Mariucci), and the result is 1 winning season out of 14 seasons (2003 to 2010, 2015-2020).
Harbaugh knew they were kicking him out. York should have giving him a contract extension in his 3rd season with the team.
This is sad, because it leads to a league wide understanding that you will not be rewarded for success with the San Francisco 49ers. As a coach or player, it all comes down to if they like you and not what you do on the field.
How can you explain Compton making the team, and then starting a game after a rookie started and played well at tackle this year? How is Jimmy G still starting? Is player development and scouting THAT bad?
The Debartolo-York era will be most known for the players they passed up in the draft and the winning coaches they moved on from in order to clear the way for losing coaches. Whereas the Eddie D Era was very successful by bringing in the right coaches, drafting well, and creating a very challenging environment for everyone. Eddie D would do whatever it took to win, accountability was always present within the 49ers organization because there was a real Leader/Boss in charge.
You can't compare the Eddie D days to the current regime. Eddie had no salary cap so he spent whatever he wanted. There was no free agency to deal with either. Eddie screwed up big time with his first GM hire. Joe Thomas made a terrible trade that for O J Simpson. (one1st, 2 seconds, a 3rd and a 4th) Simpson could barely run at that point. Eddie realized after a couple years that Thomas was the wrong guy and hit pay dirt with Walsh.
BINGO
& the 5 Super Bowl trophy's that followed proves my point. Not only did Eddie D have a salary cap towards the end, Eddie is probably the soul reason why most sports have a salary cap.
There was no cap until 1994 when the Niners manipulated some contracts and pushed them down the road so they could bring in every future HOF player that was available. The Niners had some good drafts under Walsh but he had his share of misses including some 1st rounders. Walsh never has to deal with free agency since that didn't start until 1993. There were also 12 rounds in the draft so every team had more chances to find quality players since there were fewer tams.
It's just not a fair comparison between Jed York and Eddie D. It's like comparing Joe Montana and Brady. Both great players but two completely different eras. I have no problem with Jed. He's shown he's willing to eat salary if he makes a bad hire. Yes he could have made better hires but Harbaugh was fine until he got into a pissing contest with Balke. Kyle looked okay when he was hired. Lot's of teams have made mistakes with their HC and GM hires since there's no real way to know who will be good until you give them a shot. Being a good assistant doesn't mean you can wear the crown.
Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
Fire Kyle. Bring back Jim. Championship
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
Fire Kyle. Bring back Jim. Championship
Harbaugh wouldn't win with the current defensive secondary either.