New Principle Owner Jed York Thread

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
When people judge, they should look at the overall picture... Yes the offense sucked... But what people don't talk about is Alex Boone SH!tting the bed, Mike iupat sticking up the place, vernon with his back, crabtree with his leg. Hardly talk about those facts tho? I don't care who coached this team last year with all this mess just on the offense side of the ball against a seattle team or Arizona.. If your going to put blame, don't highlight bc the 70% winning ratio is what actually counts, bottom line... Bunch of ungrateful ppl here. Taking one season and highlighting it. Stop it.

Did Harbaugh do that all by himself? The ineptitude of the coach before him definitely made the team look worse than it was, and he inherited a very talented rosterThe team won with defense, which he had little to no part in. The offense succeeded for two years, then struggled for two, as defenses around the league adjusted and no successful adjustments were made on offense. The simple fact that our offensewas so much better in the first half of every game points directly to a staff being out-coached. If it was all about the injuries, we'd have been inept in the first half of every game, too. The other team made adjustments that we had no answer for, and it happened WAY too often.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I think this has been our biggest collective complaint as a fan base...all this talent...not the desired results:

York: On-field reasons for coaching change

"You look at our offense last year," York said. "It wasn't I think where it should have been. I think we have better talent than what our results showed. And again, I am not the expert in terms of calling X's and O's, and writing plays and doing things like that, but I know that our players are equipped to go play the game and compete for championships. And we need to make sure that we're all in this thing together, and moving forward and giving ourselves a chance to ultimately host and win the Super Bowl this year."

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/york-field-reasons-coaching-change

What makes you think that coach Joan in finance is the answer? If you are an honest fan, you'll admit that we have a serious problem with this coaching staff. You can have the Niners of the late eighties and go nowhere.

Sounds like more hurt feelings to me. Harbaugh is your boy...we get it. He's in Michigan now. You're welcome to visit the fan forum.

As to your predictions of doom-and-gloom? Who can say that w/o even a single practice on the field yet under the new regime? But as an HONEST fan, I can say I'm very excited about the new coaching staff and look forward to seeing what they bring to the table. I'm also excited about the TEAM and the direction it's going. Just looking at the roster, it's deep and rich in talent. And we're about to add more...but you already know this.

Hurt feelings? Not at all!! Harbaugh was never my boy and I was highly critical of his offensive direction and his complete disregard for some of the off field distractions . However you have to admit, it was him who took us to three NFC championship and a SB. Do you really think Tomsula, Chryst and Mangini are going to take us to the playoffs next year? That's what JH did in his first year.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
When people judge, they should look at the overall picture... Yes the offense sucked... But what people don't talk about is Alex Boone SH!tting the bed, Mike iupat sticking up the place, vernon with his back, crabtree with his leg. Hardly talk about those facts tho? I don't care who coached this team last year with all this mess just on the offense side of the ball against a seattle team or Arizona.. If your going to put blame, don't highlight bc the 70% winning ratio is what actually counts, bottom line... Bunch of ungrateful ppl here. Taking one season and highlighting it. Stop it.

Did Harbaugh do that all by himself? The ineptitude of the coach before him definitely made the team look worse than it was, and he inherited a very talented rosterThe team won with defense, which he had little to no part in. The offense succeeded for two years, then struggled for two, as defenses around the league adjusted and no successful adjustments were made on offense. The simple fact that our offensewas so much better in the first half of every game points directly to a staff being out-coached. If it was all about the injuries, we'd have been inept in the first half of every game, too. The other team made adjustments that we had no answer for, and it happened WAY too often.

the injury excuse had little to do with the putrid decay of the offense. i will grant you we had uncertainty in the offensive line and missing davis hurt, but our skill people were healthy and there was no reason at all to score four pts per game in the second half of games last year. the nfl caught up to roman and jh and they were either unable or unwilling to adapt and adjust.

Originally posted by 190836:
Hurt feelings? Not at all!! Harbaugh was never my boy and I was highly critical of his offensive direction and his complete disregard for some of the off field distractions . However you have to admit, it was him who took us to three NFC championship and a SB. Do you really think Tomsula, Chryst and Mangini are going to take us to the playoffs next year? That's what JH did in his first year.

is it asking to much to have a open mind and see what these coaches can do with these players before you bury them

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by 190836:
What makes you think that coach Joan in finance is the answer? If you are an honest fan, you'll admit that we have a serious problem with this coaching staff. You can have the Niners of the late eighties and go nowhere.

Everywhere Tomsula goes he has success. Every positional job he has been in, he has thrived.
We are giving a guy who I believe knows what it takes to get the BEST out of his players a shot at running this team.

The season hasn't even started yet and you think he is going to be worse than last season?

Not only is it foolish to judge a staff before it's even had a chance to perform but I think this staff, on paper, looks better than JH's staff did, on paper, 4 years ago. What's sad is if JT was coaching another team and had the success that he has had with the niners, a lot of the people that didn't like the hire would be applauding the hire.

Time will tell! Nothing is wrong with loving your team, but to be blind about the team's direction is a bit naive in my opinion. Don't you think? I am only questioning the direction of the Niners. Hopefully you are right and I am wrong, and I will admit if I was proven otherwise.

Originally posted by 190836:
Hurt feelings? Not at all!! Harbaugh was never my boy and I was highly critical of his offensive direction and his complete disregard for some of the off field distractions . However you have to admit, it was him who took us to three NFC championship and a SB. Do you really think Tomsula, Chryst and Mangini are going to take us to the playoffs next year? That's what JH did in his first year.

Fair enough. Let me ask you one honest question since we're giving Harbaugh the full 70% winning pitch here: "What would his record be without Trent Baalke and Fangio and staff?"

That's not meant to discredit Harbaugh's influence but to provide real-context for football being the ultimate team-game.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

When people judge, they should look at the overall picture... Yes the offense sucked... But what people don't talk about is Alex Boone SH!tting the bed, Mike iupat sticking up the place, vernon with his back, crabtree with his leg. Hardly talk about those facts tho? I don't care who coached this team last year with all this mess just on the offense side of the ball against a seattle team or Arizona.. If your going to put blame, don't highlight bc the 70% winning ratio is what actually counts, bottom line... Bunch of ungrateful ppl here. Taking one season and highlighting it. Stop it.

Did Harbaugh do that all by himself? The ineptitude of the coach before him definitely made the team look worse than it was, and he inherited a very talented rosterThe team won with defense, which he had little to no part in. The offense succeeded for two years, then struggled for two, as defenses around the league adjusted and no successful adjustments were made on offense. The simple fact that our offensewas so much better in the first half of every game points directly to a staff being out-coached. If it was all about the injuries, we'd have been inept in the first half of every game, too. The other team made adjustments that we had no answer for, and it happened WAY too often.

But the coach before him couldn't win with that team, so who cares? I care about the coach that actually turned that team around. I never said it was all about those injuries but they do play a factor. Jim wasn't perfect but the track record speak for itself. I don't think the the 3 years of winning was a fluke, I think the down year was a fluke which at least deserved 1 more year to finish out the contract and fix some flaws.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
When people judge, they should look at the overall picture... Yes the offense sucked... But what people don't talk about is Alex Boone SH!tting the bed, Mike iupat sticking up the place, vernon with his back, crabtree with his leg. Hardly talk about those facts tho? I don't care who coached this team last year with all this mess just on the offense side of the ball against a seattle team or Arizona.. If your going to put blame, don't highlight bc the 70% winning ratio is what actually counts, bottom line... Bunch of ungrateful ppl here. Taking one season and highlighting it. Stop it.

Did Harbaugh do that all by himself? The ineptitude of the coach before him definitely made the team look worse than it was, and he inherited a very talented rosterThe team won with defense, which he had little to no part in. The offense succeeded for two years, then struggled for two, as defenses around the league adjusted and no successful adjustments were made on offense. The simple fact that our offensewas so much better in the first half of every game points directly to a staff being out-coached. If it was all about the injuries, we'd have been inept in the first half of every game, too. The other team made adjustments that we had no answer for, and it happened WAY too often.

But the coach before him couldn't win with that team, so who cares? I care about the coach that actually turned that team around. I never said it was all about those injuries but they do play a factor. Jim wasn't perfect but the track record speak for itself. I don't think the the 3 years of winning was a fluke, I think the down year was a fluke which at least deserved 1 more year to finish out the contract and fix some flaws.

The only track record Harbaugh has is that 1) he's an a-hole to work with and 2) his timing is impeccable (upon when he joins teams and leaves)

PS: I'd love for one of his fans to truly write-up the qualities of Jim Harbaugh (he does have some good ones) that lead to winning in the beginning of his tenures. B/c we all know the qualities that lead to his end/departures and his inability to sustain success at the NFL level (hence, why he's back in college).

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 190836:
What makes you think that coach Joan in finance is the answer? If you are an honest fan, you'll admit that we have a serious problem with this coaching staff. You can have the Niners of the late eighties and go nowhere.

typical,, people disagree with you and ask you to have a open mind so we are not honest,,,, so people like you who think we have some sort of serious problem with the coaching staff are the only ones who are being honest?

First of all, don't make it a personal issue. I am only questioning the direction of this team. I could be wrong, and if I am, I'll admit it. Would you?

Would Jim have been fired his first year, if he had last years record? Probably not... But since he was so successful his first 3 years and had a bad year there's the excuse to fire the guy. I think Jim was the one who lifted this team. The only track record he has? You forgot turning teams around whether college or NFL.

P.s Stanford and San Diego, he sure turn them around, oh the NINERS he turned around.. So it's not the only track record he has.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Lol foreseeable future? I don't think no one has that power and those 3 years of winning? Was the down year in the foreseeable future too? You actually give someone a chance to fix the problem with that record..

Absolutely the down year was in the foreseeable future. At some point the offense was going to have to pull it's own weight or things would start to go downhill. Outside of when Kap took over through the superbowl the offense never pulled it's own weight through Harbaughs whole tenure. So we give him a 5th year to see the offense fail to pull it's own weight again because he won 70% of his games on the back of Vic Fangio?

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by 190836:
What makes you think that coach Joan in finance is the answer? If you are an honest fan, you'll admit that we have a serious problem with this coaching staff. You can have the Niners of the late eighties and go nowhere.

Everywhere Tomsula goes he has success. Every positional job he has been in, he has thrived.
We are giving a guy who I believe knows what it takes to get the BEST out of his players a shot at running this team.

The season hasn't even started yet and you think he is going to be worse than last season?

Not only is it foolish to judge a staff before it's even had a chance to perform but I think this staff, on paper, looks better than JH's staff did, on paper, 4 years ago. What's sad is if JT was coaching another team and had the success that he has had with the niners, a lot of the people that didn't like the hire would be applauding the hire.

Time will tell! Nothing is wrong with loving your team, but to be blind about the team's direction is a bit naive in my opinion. Don't you think? I am only questioning the direction of the Niners. Hopefully you are right and I am wrong, and I will admit if I was proven otherwise.

Why would I or anyone be down about their direction? The wrong way to go would to have let things stay the same. Do you think JH would ever have been open to changing? It's not in his makeup to change because, in his mind, that is admitting defeat. None of the free agents that have left I would have wanted them to match the money they got. Heck, TS is a upgrade over Crabtree. I fully expect whoever they put at left guard will be an upgrade of MI. Gore is an all-time niner but Hyde/Bush/Hunter/draft pick will be fine. Cully played well last year but with the players already on the roster and the draft, the CB position will be as good, if not better. Cowboy might retire but they are getting Williams and Dorsey back. So I don't see where on the field, assuming Bow is healthy, they've gotten weaker at any position. It's the media that paints this picture that the ship is sinking.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Would Jim have been fired his first year, if he had last years record? Probably not... But since he was so successful his first 3 years and had a bad year there's the excuse to fire the guy. I think Jim was the one who lifted this team. The only track record he has? You forgot turning teams around whether college or NFL.

P.s Stanford and San Diego, he sure turn them around, oh the NINERS he turned around.. So it's not the only track record he has.

What he did in College has zero bearing on the NFL unless somehow the rules change and the 9ers can recruit all the top prospects.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Lol foreseeable future? I don't think no one has that power and those 3 years of winning? Was the down year in the foreseeable future too? You actually give someone a chance to fix the problem with that record..

Absolutely the down year was in the foreseeable future. At some point the offense was going to have to pull it's own weight or things would start to go downhill. Outside of when Kap took over through the superbowl the offense never pulled it's own weight through Harbaughs whole tenure. So we give him a 5th year to see the offense fail to pull it's own weight again because he won 70% of his games on the back of Vic Fangio?

We don't give him anything, you let him finish his contract out which he has earned..

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

What he did in College has zero bearing on the NFL unless somehow the rules change and the 9ers can recruit all the top prospects.

Obviously it does bc he did with the NINERS... So it is called a track record in his life of turning teams around whether college or NFL..