Randy Moss

Originally posted by jreff22:
If he puts up 1k and Crabs doesn't he's going to look like a fool.

Nah man... I don't think so. Crabtree and the others seem to respect Moss to such a high level that they can't get all "poorest me, Iz embarrassed" if Moss out-produces them. Crabtree is what he is. A very good # 2 wideout. He doesn't have ideal acceleration.. doesn't always make the best of efforts for the tough catches.. but he's been hauling in passes right to him much better than that dreaded volley-tip-INT year a ways back. Sounds like he's been plugged in and improving, so we'll see. I hope Jim really has these guys looking strong at the big picture (SB ring) rather than personal stats.

Espn talking about Harbaugh's take on Moss 'the best receivers on the team'

Bayless skeptical wait and see. Stephen A. agreed Moss best on the team, but within an unimpressed receiving core, coupled with 'Mr. Game Manager' Alex Smith

The other guy at the desk -- can't remember his name; take it as Harbaugh's motivation of Crabtree to be compared to a 35 year old receiver. But still impressed with Moss' ability even at 35.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Espn talking

don't curr...

straight cayyysh howwwmie

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Nah man... I don't think so. Crabtree and the others seem to respect Moss to such a high level that they can't get all "poorest me, Iz embarrassed" if Moss out-produces them. Crabtree is what he is. A very good # 2 wideout. He doesn't have ideal acceleration.. doesn't always make the best of efforts for the tough catches.. but he's been hauling in passes right to him much better than that dreaded volley-tip-INT year a ways back. Sounds like he's been plugged in and improving, so we'll see. I hope Jim really has these guys looking strong at the big picture (SB ring) rather than personal stats.

It is funny that you use such absolutes to describe Crabtree.

Originally posted by DirtyP:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Nah man... I don't think so. Crabtree and the others seem to respect Moss to such a high level that they can't get all "poorest me, Iz embarrassed" if Moss out-produces them. Crabtree is what he is. A very good # 2 wideout. He doesn't have ideal acceleration.. doesn't always make the best of efforts for the tough catches.. but he's been hauling in passes right to him much better than that dreaded volley-tip-INT year a ways back. Sounds like he's been plugged in and improving, so we'll see. I hope Jim really has these guys looking strong at the big picture (SB ring) rather than personal stats.

It is funny that you use such absolutes to describe Crabtree.

What is it about Crabtree that you think is better than Moss at this juncture -- other than age. Crabtree 24 -- Moss 35...

Our talent at WR is not an issue any longer. The issue is whether or not Smith can get the ball down the field to WRs.

He underthrew Crabtree quite a few times last year. He also has shown a lack of willingness to take a shot down the field when the opportunity has presented. AS also prefers the TE...which is not a bad thing considering we have VD and DW. Will Moss get pissed off when AS dumps it down when he has a step on his CB? Who knows...

AS is going to have to find a balance this season between playing safe, ball control offense VS being a gunslinger and taking shots with the new weapons. If he can find this balance, we will be TOUGH to beat.

Originally posted by DirtyP:
It is funny that you use such absolutes to describe Crabtree.

That's not an absolute, fella. An absolute would be for me to say that "Crabtree is a # 2 and that's all he will ever be." That's an absolute. Right now, Crabtree is a # 2 wideout... that's just what he is. He may improve further to be more... that will be up to him. Learn something before you spout off.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Our talent at WR is not an issue any longer. The issue is whether or not Smith can get the ball down the field to WRs.

He underthrew Crabtree quite a few times last year. He also has shown a lack of willingness to take a shot down the field when the opportunity has presented. AS also prefers the TE...which is not a bad thing considering we have VD and DW. Will Moss get pissed off when AS dumps it down when he has a step on his CB? Who knows...

AS is going to have to find a balance this season between playing safe, ball control offense VS being a gunslinger and taking shots with the new weapons. If he can find this balance, we will be TOUGH to beat.

Alex can sling the ball with accuracy. he showed bits of that last season and i think his long ball will only improve. Show be a year besides last year were he had any sort of arm muscle? Last year he was yolked out.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Our talent at WR is not an issue any longer. The issue is whether or not Smith can get the ball down the field to WRs.

He underthrew Crabtree quite a few times last year. He also has shown a lack of willingness to take a shot down the field when the opportunity has presented. AS also prefers the TE...which is not a bad thing considering we have VD and DW. Will Moss get pissed off when AS dumps it down when he has a step on his CB? Who knows...

AS is going to have to find a balance this season between playing safe, ball control offense VS being a gunslinger and taking shots with the new weapons. If he can find this balance, we will be TOUGH to beat.

yea but where AS has his weaknesses is where Moss has his strengths. Even AS said that he finally has a receiver that he can just toss the ball up to and Moss will do the rest but that is of course if Moss is as good as Harbaugh is leading us on to believe. We really do need to hope that AS can take the next step in his career and be a weapon and not just a serviceable qb.

I do agree with you completely that if AS finds his groove we will be a legendary team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smith in 2009 after his repaired shoulder. Against the Titans. Not a good game by Smith with 3 INTs, but pretty zippy throws downfield. He just doesn't throw it up for grabs so some of us think he doesn't have the arm.

Link

How about that broken play on the run throw downfield to Jason Hill for a TD

Alex has an average to above average arm

Up till now we haven't had a deep threat or a jump ball we so he hasn't been able to showcase it

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Alex has an average to above average arm

Up till now we haven't had a deep threat or a jump ball we so he hasn't been able to showcase it

this is the most f...n deplorable post in wz history.... "showcase it"

one way or another they will find a way blame Moss for our weak passing attack

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
straight cayyysh howwwmie

o fo sho

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Our talent at WR is not an issue any longer. The issue is whether or not Smith can get the ball down the field to WRs.

He underthrew Crabtree quite a few times last year. He also has shown a lack of willingness to take a shot down the field when the opportunity has presented. AS also prefers the TE...which is not a bad thing considering we have VD and DW. Will Moss get pissed off when AS dumps it down when he has a step on his CB? Who knows...

AS is going to have to find a balance this season between playing safe, ball control offense VS being a gunslinger and taking shots with the new weapons. If he can find this balance, we will be TOUGH to beat.

What you saw as underthrows most others saw Crabs running the wrong routes and terrible route running, often. It was pretty clear that Crabs and Alex Smith weren't on the page at all last season. In fact at times it seemed as if Alex was 2 or 3 pages ahead of Crabs. As the season went on Alex's only real dependable receiver he could count on was Vernon Davis, not just catching the ball consistently, but being were he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be there. You can't blame a QB for throwing to whom he trusts. Was Crabs the leading 49ers WR? Yes, but by default, and he certainly wasn't our most important receiver. And you have to understand that Alex was brilliantly managed by JH & Co. He was playing within the offense. He did what the coaches wanted him to do. Sure the playcalls were conservative at times. But that wasn't all on Alex, or even mostly on Alex. The WR corps was quite horrible all season and Crabs was a big reason why. That's why JH and Baalkie made the moves they did at that one position. If Moss comes in and overtakes Crabs - which many here know I'm not a fan of Moss being a 9er anyway - the criticism of Crabs from me will be unending. And you can bet that if that happens Crabs will have to put up Megatron-like numbers to remain in the red & gold next season.