Hall of Fame LB, Patrick Willis

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

So much this.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

So much this.

Ray Lewis is the one who changed the Mike position. Willis was on his way, but quit

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

So much this.

Ray Lewis is the one who changed the Mike position. Willis was on his way, but quit

Lol dog the guy that hung it up because he no longer felt that he could play at an elite level due to injuries and praise the guy who literally got away with murder.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

So much this.

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

This is a great analysis. The only part I slightly disagree with is the Gale Sayers comparison. Willis is probably my favorite 49er of all time—but Sayers is arguably the most electric player in the history of football. Nevertheless, your point is still valid. Willis shouldn't be dinged for having played less than a decade.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

This is a great analysis. The only part I slightly disagree with is the Gale Sayers comparison. Willis is probably my favorite 49er of all time—but Sayers is arguably the most electric player in the history of football. Nevertheless, your point is still valid. Willis shouldn't be dinged for having played less than a decade.

it is great and all , but most of those guys probably don't get in the HOF playing closer to the new era

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

So much this.

Ray Lewis is the one who changed the Mike position. Willis was on his way, but quit

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

This is a great analysis. The only part I slightly disagree with is the Gale Sayers comparison. Willis is probably my favorite 49er of all time—but Sayers is arguably the most electric player in the history of football. Nevertheless, your point is still valid. Willis shouldn't be dinged for having played less than a decade.

it is great and all , but most of those guys probably don't get in the HOF playing closer to the new era

agree... plus did you really see all those guys play??

I would only speak for the ones I saw playing... starting 1981..

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

So much this.

Ray Lewis is the one who changed the Mike position. Willis was on his way, but quit

By quit you mean retired. Pat and Ray should both be in with no asterisks.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

So much this.

Ray Lewis is the one who changed the Mike position. Willis was on his way, but quit

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Ray Lewis is the one who changed the Mike position. Willis was on his way, but quit

Originally posted by 9moon:

WILLIS was an awesome player, but he just didn't make enough noise...

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The guy has more All-pro selections that about 90% of guys already in the HOF, changed the MIKE position prototype and paved the way for Wagner, Warner, Bowman, Keuchly, Lavonte David.

Before Pat, Takeo Spikes was your prototypical Mike. Not anymore.

This is purely about time played - which isn't even listed in the considerations. They're supposed to look at quality of player(has it in spades) and impact on the history of the game(again, set a new standard and type for the MIKE position).

If Gale Sayers is in while only playing from 65-71 and only played in 2 games in each of 70 and 71, how in the H-E double hockey sticks is Pat not in?
Kurt Warner only had 4 seasons with 12 or more starts - he's in.
Joe Guyon only played in 49 games but is in because he was the first native american
Dick Stanfel only played in 73 games and he's in as an offensive Guard
Doak Walker only played in 67 games and is in as a RB
Ernie Nevers only played 5 seasons

Pat played in 112 games.

So much this.

Ray Lewis is the one who changed the Mike position. Willis was on his way, but quit

Lol dog the guy that hung it up because he no longer felt that he could play at an elite level due to injuries and praise the guy who literally got away with murder.