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Originally posted by NCommand:
Has anyone else's football IQ just gone up 50 points?

Mods, THIS thread needs to be pinned so we can ALL speak the same language.

Damn RIGHT!

Thanks, jonnydel, seriously, this is so educational and I never missed one of these last year... This year, I literally have a better understanding as things are happening... Sir if you don't mind, YOU ROCK!

Here's why we can't abandon the read option - it has more value than we sometimes notice.


Here we're going to run the read option in the red zone with Hyde. Iupati has a great angle on the 3 technique to open up the "0" hole(between the LG and LT). Staley leaves the end man on the LOS and pulls into the hole as a lead blocker - the play will end up going through the "1" hole though(between the C and RG).
Boldin is also going to come in from off screen to crack block the LB.


You see how the read option and the threat of CK running causes the DE and LB to hold where they are. The LB is actually looking at Boldin coming at him for a block, so he's not sure where the play is going.


Looney and Kilgore do a good job of moving their guys off their spot and opening up a lane. The DE and LB are still frozen by CK's potential run and are effectively taken out of the play - which gives us a simple numbers advantage. Hyde simply has to follow his blocks.



By the time the LB realizes what's going on it's too late. Hyde has a lot of explosion in his running and there's no way that LB is going to close in time.


Hyde gets a 13 yard gain to set us up at the 4 yard line. Ck's threat of the run from the read option effectively takes 2 defenders out of the play - it's like having 2 extra blockers on the field.
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Here is classic SJ at work using unorthodox methods to win a clean release off the line of scrimmage.

The 49ers are running a zone busting concept on the right (more on that route combo later), and SJ "the one man man coverage buster" on the left.
DAL: cover 1


Kap takes the snap and looks right, he will red light (determine it is not open) the zone busting concept. Also, by looking right, Kap holds the Curl defender (the defender 4 yards in front of Iupati) from blocking the throwing lane to SJ's slant.


Kap looks to his left towards SJ and is shown starting his throwing motion. Notice the CB on SJ and how the CB's hips are turned toward the sideline. SJ has set up his man for a hard inside break on the slant.


Look right, then come back to the left to SJ.


This is how SJ sets up his man. SJ was not in pre-snap motion. So all his movements shown below is done post snap. What WR starts off with two sidesteps? By doing this, he tricks the CB into thinking SJ wants an outside release off the line of scrimmage, only to break inside and get separation.


By initially looking to his right, Kap is giving time for SJ to do his shake and bake. Once Kap comes back to his left, it is on rhythm to throw the backside slant to SJ.
[ Edited by thl408 on Sep 13, 2014 at 6:43 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
Here is classic SJ at work using unorthodox methods to win a clean release off the line of scrimmage.

The 49ers are running a zone busting concept on the right (more on that route combo later), and SJ "the one man man coverage buster" on the left.


Kap takes the snap and looks right, he will red light (determine it is not open) the zone busting concept.


Kap looks to his left towards SJ and is shown starting his throwing motion. Notice the CB on SJ and how the CB's hips are turned toward the sideline. SJ has set up his man for a hard inside break on the slant.


Look right, then come back to the left to SJ.


This is how SJ sets up his man. SJ was not in pre-snap motion. So all his movements shown below is done post snap. What WR starts off with two sidesteps? By doing this, he tricks the CB into thinking SJ wants an outside release off the line of scrimmage, only to break inside and get separation.


By initially looking to his right, Kap is giving time for SJ to do his shake and back. Once Kap comes back to his left, it is on rhythm to throw the backside slant to SJ.
You might wanna grab a GIF off the broadcast replay of this play, because you can see CK's eyes scan first to the 2 receiver side, then over to Johnson. I can't do GIF's right now on my mac, I'm gonna have to purchase some software next month to do it on my version of Mac cause mine's a little older.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Here is classic SJ at work using unorthodox methods to win a clean release off the line of scrimmage.

The 49ers are running a zone busting concept on the right (more on that route combo later), and SJ "the one man man coverage buster" on the left.


Kap takes the snap and looks right, he will red light (determine it is not open) the zone busting concept.


Kap looks to his left towards SJ and is shown starting his throwing motion. Notice the CB on SJ and how the CB's hips are turned toward the sideline. SJ has set up his man for a hard inside break on the slant.


Look right, then come back to the left to SJ.


This is how SJ sets up his man. SJ was not in pre-snap motion. So all his movements shown below is done post snap. What WR starts off with two sidesteps? By doing this, he tricks the CB into thinking SJ wants an outside release off the line of scrimmage, only to break inside and get separation.


By initially looking to his right, Kap is giving time for SJ to do his shake and back. Once Kap comes back to his left, it is on rhythm to throw the backside slant to SJ.

let it be know that I'm not happy with you biting jonny's style and asking to merge the threads

not cool bro
Originally posted by thl408:
Here is classic SJ at work using unorthodox methods to win a clean release off the line of scrimmage.

The 49ers are running a zone busting concept on the right (more on that route combo later), and SJ "the one man man coverage buster" on the left.


Kap takes the snap and looks right, he will red light (determine it is not open) the zone busting concept. Also, by looking right, Kap holds the Curl defender (the defender 4 yards in front of Iupati) from blocking the throwing lane to SJ's slant.


Kap looks to his left towards SJ and is shown starting his throwing motion. Notice the CB on SJ and how the CB's hips are turned toward the sideline. SJ has set up his man for a hard inside break on the slant.


Look right, then come back to the left to SJ.


This is how SJ sets up his man. SJ was not in pre-snap motion. So all his movements shown below is done post snap. What WR starts off with two sidesteps? By doing this, he tricks the CB into thinking SJ wants an outside release off the line of scrimmage, only to break inside and get separation.


By initially looking to his right, Kap is giving time for SJ to do his shake and back. Once Kap comes back to his left, it is on rhythm to throw the backside slant to SJ.

I was wondering what was on the concept side of that play. It's like an all curls/spacing with a go to create both a vertical and horizontal stretch.
This is literally the very next play after the 1st read option I showed - it's almost the exact same play - just a little different - so it's the same but different lol. You'll see what I mean:


This time the play is slightly different because the LB has an inside alignment instead of outside. So, Instead of pulling up through the hole, Staley will help double team on the 3 technique. Other than that - it's the same, same formation, read option.


The DE has to respect CK's running so he takes CK, this leaves the 3 technique all alone against Staley and Iupati - I don't know many human beings anywhere that could do well against that.


The 3 technique stands no chance against those 2 guys and gets moved out of the way, with the DE having to take CK, this leaves a nice lane for Hyde to burst through. The only guy in any position is a safety who's go to meet a 235 lb RB with a full head of steam.


By the time the players react to Hyde, not CK, it's too late, there's enough of a crease to get it in.


TD!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by thl408:
Here is classic SJ at work using unorthodox methods to win a clean release off the line of scrimmage.

The 49ers are running a zone busting concept on the right (more on that route combo later), and SJ "the one man man coverage buster" on the left.


Kap takes the snap and looks right, he will red light (determine it is not open) the zone busting concept.


Kap looks to his left towards SJ and is shown starting his throwing motion. Notice the CB on SJ and how the CB's hips are turned toward the sideline. SJ has set up his man for a hard inside break on the slant.


Look right, then come back to the left to SJ.


This is how SJ sets up his man. SJ was not in pre-snap motion. So all his movements shown below is done post snap. What WR starts off with two sidesteps? By doing this, he tricks the CB into thinking SJ wants an outside release off the line of scrimmage, only to break inside and get separation.


By initially looking to his right, Kap is giving time for SJ to do his shake and back. Once Kap comes back to his left, it is on rhythm to throw the backside slant to SJ.

let it be know that I'm not happy with you biting jonny's style and asking to merge the threads

not cool bro
It's not a problem at all - we actually talked about how we wanted to do this earlier in the week.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
You might wanna grab a GIF off the broadcast replay of this play, because you can see CK's eyes scan first to the 2 receiver side, then over to Johnson. I can't do GIF's right now on my mac, I'm gonna have to purchase some software next month to do it on my version of Mac cause mine's a little older.

Gotcha. This is the the broadcast view with a close up of how Kap red lights the left side and goes backside to SJ's slant route.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
Here is classic SJ at work using unorthodox methods to win a clean release off the line of scrimmage.

The 49ers are running a zone busting concept on the right (more on that route combo later), and SJ "the one man man coverage buster" on the left.


Kap takes the snap and looks right, he will red light (determine it is not open) the zone busting concept. Also, by looking right, Kap holds the Curl defender (the defender 4 yards in front of Iupati) from blocking the throwing lane to SJ's slant.


Kap looks to his left towards SJ and is shown starting his throwing motion. Notice the CB on SJ and how the CB's hips are turned toward the sideline. SJ has set up his man for a hard inside break on the slant.


Look right, then come back to the left to SJ.


This is how SJ sets up his man. SJ was not in pre-snap motion. So all his movements shown below is done post snap. What WR starts off with two sidesteps? By doing this, he tricks the CB into thinking SJ wants an outside release off the line of scrimmage, only to break inside and get separation.


By initially looking to his right, Kap is giving time for SJ to do his shake and back. Once Kap comes back to his left, it is on rhythm to throw the backside slant to SJ.

I was wondering what was on the concept side of that play. It's like an all curls/spacing with a go to create both a vertical and horizontal stretch.
It's a horizontal stretch, we had run it a couple times during the game, both times we hit VD for a 6-7 yard gain. This time, Dallas tries to take VD out of the play - you can see the double team. This is one reason CK flashes back to Johnson.
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I'll throw this here as well.

A peek into the offensive playbook for passing plays. Only throws that show up in the boxscore are shown. Yellow routes are completions. Orange are incompletions. No sacks, penalties, scrambles.
Kap's stat line: 16/23, 201 yds, 2TD

1st Quarter


2nd Quarter


3rd Quarter


4th Quarter
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's not a problem at all - we actually talked about how we wanted to do this earlier in the week.

what are you guys film ninjas?

I liked both threads his with all the pics of the plays and yours with specific breakdowns.

carry on then.

ps
still waiting for more Skuta
Originally posted by SoCold:
let it be know that I'm not happy with you biting jonny's style and asking to merge the threads

not cool bro

How could it be done more appropriately? I think it's great people post these breakdowns as long as they are informed and knowledgeable and don't re-analyze the same plays. I like reading both posters. I don't get an "I'm the nfl-expert-and-no-one-else-is" vibe from these threads. Do you?
Originally posted by Kolohe:
The O-line played OK, not great. Iupati -surprisingly, had the best game out of all the O-lineman(from what I saw). Looney had the worst. He got flagged for a couple holds and totally whiffed on a few blocks and gave up some pressures. It will be good to get Boone back. Same thing with Martin, he played better in the first half, but, nothing to make me get excited for - those two guys do provide some better depth though as they are both better at their positions than Snyder was at either.Read more at http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/179544-dallas-coaches-film-analysis/#IfQbxegthU1cklPy.99

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!

I have watched this game 3 times and I couldn't agree more. Like I said, Iupati had a bad play maybe two, but overall he did fairly well against Dallas.

Damnit you guys...now you made me do more work! LOL.

Hope this adds to the excellent knowledge of this thread (if someone wants to cover Iupati, that would be great...we can add to the Offensive Line Analysis thread/post of WRATH as well). This isn't a "homer" post as I fully expect Boone to start against Chicago at RG.

I'll just highlight plays that were relative to the success or lack of success and shy away from plays where Looney played little to no part in the play (i.e. whether run blocking or pass protection, although these are still very important):

Negative:
1Q (6:46) – Looney blocks down solo on the NT and then passes him off to Kilgore. As he passes him off, LB McClain shoots the middle gap and Looney is late to picking him up and gets a clean shot on CK just after he releases it. The OL held up for 4 seconds though and we get a huge play to Boldin down to their 39.

2Q (11:35) – Looney in PP and loses his man. Entire OL caved and CK had to throw it away at the 3-second mark. All 4 DL were in the backfield at the same time but Looney was the last one still "blocking" (for perspective).

4Q (11:25) – On 3rd and 17, darts out of stance down field to block on a designed middle run by CK; 10-12 yards down field not quick enough to block the DB's.

Positive:
2Q (12:59) – Looney's pull from right-to-left springs Gore for 21 yards.

2Q (8:20) – Washes out DL clearing the right side for the option play with James but there was a free runner so the play blew up.

2Q (1:27) – Pull block frees Gore for 7 yards.

2Q (:52) – Throws DL to the right on a drive block while Hyde runs off his backside for 13 yards down to the 4 yard line.

3Q (12:11) – This one is epic! Here he pulls RIGHT around Martin and VD and seals off the edge for Hyde from our own 10 yard line and Hyde picks up 6 (one move right of Boldin here and Hyde may still be running down the sidelines; he's almost TOO fast).

4Q (15:00) – Pulls again and opens up a hole for Gore and a gain of 7 for a first down. This is the phantom "holding call" on a textbook pull and block out (see NinerNation article).

4Q (12:43) – Washes out his DL and Gore runs up his hole on 2nd and 12 for 5.

4Q (9:18) – Gets the DL turned again and washes him out along with Kilgore and Hyde hits this hole off Iuptai for (want to give all credit for this one) for 17 yards.

Neutral:
2Q (10:53) – Looney drives block from right to left as defenders slides down the line and assist on the tackle left of the LT for a 3 yard run by Gore.

3Q (14:56) – Clears out the DL for a hole where Gore runs up in but multiple defenders closed quickly for no gain (Gore yelling at Miller).

3Q (11:34) – Pulls again, does his job but Miller has two guys to block for Gore and one of the defenders tackles him for no gain.

3Q (9:51) – Another pull but doesn't completely wash out his man; enough to pick up 4 yards though.

4Q (13:15) – He slides his DL down the line to the left but doesn't fully block out…as does the entire OL/TE and Gore runs right into the pile. I'm assuming the design was to create a backside hole there?

4Q (7:50) – He and Kilgore wash out the right side and Hyde hits it up that hole for 5.

4Q (7:08) – Walls off his man perfectly and Gore into that hole but 3 defenders were waiting for no gain.

4Q (6:25) – Blocks out his man enough but Hyde has to make 3 yards out of a TFL there on 3rd and 6 (missed FG). Odd design on this running play; hard to assess. I think he and Davis were to create a hole for an edge run but the defenders filled quickly.

More Notes:
Pass Protection: Ranged from very good to good enough (i.e. he held up long enough for the pass play to be completed) all game long save for the aforementioned; spent a lot of time punching his man out and then sliding over to help Martin or Kilgore. Sometimes he was free. He was also the point-man for communication with Kilgore and when to snap the ball.

Run Blocking: Looked very effective blocking out his DL even when calls weren't made right up his backside or to his holes and felt I should point that out. His leverage has gotten so much better from day 1 where he started out getting too high. Showed good strength or washed out effectively on the final run-drive to milk the clock and get the last first down on 3 straight runs.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM ]
Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's a horizontal stretch, we had run it a couple times during the game, both times we hit VD for a 6-7 yard gain. This time, Dallas tries to take VD out of the play - you can see the double team. This is one reason CK flashes back to Johnson.

I get that the all curls is a horizontal stretch, but with the go route between the two curls you do get sort of a triangle developed that can act as both a vertical and horizontal stretch type situation.
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