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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's our first big offensive play of the game. This play really impressed me with CK, also got a little irritated at a no-call that I saw(but that's beside the point).



Here Dallas comes out with a 2 deep safety look, we're going to run a streak with Crabs at the bottom and double post with Davis and Boldin. With the 2 deep safety look, it's going to be an out/in read for CK. He's going to look first for the zone coverage(which was shown earlier in the drive) which would have Crabs open, then, if it's man - you look for the post to Davis on the LB(the streak will pull the safety out for over the top help), then 3rd to Boldin on the backside post and a RB as the 4th read for the checkdown.



We run play action to pull the defenders up, but Dallas actually rotates into a man blitz scheme. With man coverage and single safety.



The play action fools the LB covering Davis, so the safety has to take coverage on Davis who has beat his defender. On the bottom the corner on Crabs actually falls down and reaches out and trips Crabs as he goes by to not give up the big play. You could actually see him reach out with his arm and trip Crabs as he was falling because he knows he has no safety help.(terrible no call, Crabs actually turns with his hands up to the official after the play like, "really"....)



CK wanted to hit Crabs, but, did a great job of feeling the pressure and climbing the pocket, he briefly glances to Crabs and see's he's gone down, he saw the safety move before climbed the pocket so after checking crabs he immediately moves to Boldin on the post against the man coverage.



You see the hole opened up by the safety having to take Davis, because the corner is going to play with outside leverage - expecting safety help, this leaves the middle of the field open. CK delivers a great ball to Boldin.



Boldin catches it for a big gain.

This is one of my favorite plays from this game. Kap went through some reads,climbed the pocket, hung in there, then delivered an absolute laser 30 yard strike to Boldin...and, right after he threw it, Kap then got blasted. He showed a lot as an improving and tough QB on this one play alone. By the way, great thread as usual, jonnydel - your work here is appreciated.
[ Edited by LottDMontanaO on Sep 11, 2014 at 8:57 AM ]
Originally posted by Niners816:
This info is gold for all of those that are trying to learn football on a deeper level. You are really hard pressed to find this concepts laid out in a better way with current niner game film used as the basis.

Personally my favorite offensive concepts have always been:

-flanker drive
-spot
-mesh
-Texas
-curl-flat
-slant-flat

I love the post-corner/skinny post package with a HB swing/option underneath against cover 2. I'm hoping to see it a few times against Chicago's tired old Cover 2 defense. Basic, old, and slow should have trouble with Kap and the gang.
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[ Edited by DeUh on Sep 13, 2014 at 4:55 PM ]
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's our first big offensive play of the game. This play really impressed me with CK, also got a little irritated at a no-call that I saw(but that's beside the point).



Here Dallas comes out with a 2 deep safety look, we're going to run a streak with Crabs at the bottom and double post with Davis and Boldin. With the 2 deep safety look, it's going to be an out/in read for CK. He's going to look first for the zone coverage(which was shown earlier in the drive) which would have Crabs open, then, if it's man - you look for the post to Davis on the LB(the streak will pull the safety out for over the top help), then 3rd to Boldin on the backside post and a RB as the 4th read for the checkdown.



We run play action to pull the defenders up, but Dallas actually rotates into a man blitz scheme. With man coverage and single safety.



The play action fools the LB covering Davis, so the safety has to take coverage on Davis who has beat his defender. On the bottom the corner on Crabs actually falls down and reaches out and trips Crabs as he goes by to not give up the big play. You could actually see him reach out with his arm and trip Crabs as he was falling because he knows he has no safety help.(terrible no call, Crabs actually turns with his hands up to the official after the play like, "really"....)



CK wanted to hit Crabs, but, did a great job of feeling the pressure and climbing the pocket, he briefly glances to Crabs and see's he's gone down, he saw the safety move before climbed the pocket so after checking crabs he immediately moves to Boldin on the post against the man coverage.



You see the hole opened up by the safety having to take Davis, because the corner is going to play with outside leverage - expecting safety help, this leaves the middle of the field open. CK delivers a great ball to Boldin.



Boldin catches it for a big gain.

This is one of my favorite plays from this game. Kap went through some reads,climbed the pocket, hung in there, then delivered an absolute laser 30 yard strike to Boldin...and, right after he threw it, Kap then got blasted. He showed a lot as an improving and tough QB on this one play alone.

PASS INTERFERENCE

I don't know if you can blame Wilhoite on the second one cuz he had to keep an eye on Dez. That middlle safety needs to come up sooner if we expect Wilhoite to cover that flat, but I'm assuming they're trying to keep everything underneath just waiting for Romo to implode. The first looks like he can't flat out see if the ball has been handed off or not, while ward and Willis have pretty good visual angles. He played those pretty good in my opine, but yes , Bowman would have got there.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Yes sir, the stretch concept is used by the offense to stretch out the defense.



They're in cover 3 zone - 3 deep, 4 underneath



The entire route combo stretches the defense. The post route pulls the middle and deep 3rd zones up, the RB in the flat holds the underneath defender. This causes a huge area to be opened up because the zones are "stretched" out.
Thank you.

Question:
Aren't the defenders allowed to switch their men even in a zone coverage, if needed?
I mean, the DB who went with our deepest WR could also take over Davis WAY EARLIER if the other DB takes over the deep WR instead at the same time (the guy on the left side of both of the pictures).
Or is it simply impossible to do this within 1-2 seconds to do that?
This play is stinkin awesome all around - gets me excited! This is the 20 yarder to Stevie Johnson



Here Dallas is going to "sugar" the "A" gaps. Meaning, they bring both their LB's up to the gaps between the center and guards. This puts a lot of pressure on the O-line, hard on the QB because you don't know if both, 1 or none are coming. Dallas gave this look a lot. We have trips right and we're going to run Davis on a streak, Boldin on a short out, and Johnson on a deep curl.



Dallas is trying to run a type of zone out of this with the backside corner taking a man coverage. One of the LB's covering the "A" gap backs out and looks straight for Davis.



The flat defender sees Boldin and drops down to take him away in his "flat" responsibility. The Corner on the bottom(#39) keeps his eyes on Davis worrying about a "corner" route and the LB keeps his eyes on Davis for the "Post" route and the safety keeps his eyes on Davis for the "streak" route. This leaves 3 defenders watching one guy, leaving Johnson unwatched/uncovered.


Meanwhile, this is what happened at the LOS. You see how the LB's have "sugared" the "A" gaps. Then CK talks to his O-line to make sure they've made the proper adjustment.


What Dallas does is actually pretty complex - they back off the LB out of the weakside "A" gap, and then stunt the strong side DE into that hole.



They're trying to show an overload to the strong side so that the RB will take a LB on that side for blitz pickup, however, the line and Gore make the right adjustment and Gore steps up in pass pro. Although, this puts a DE on a RB in pass pro - usually a win for any defense.



Gore absolutely rocks the DE - this was so awesome - I love Gore! He stepped up against a guy who's got at least 65 lbs on him and stands him up.



Because of the O-line - and a huge part by Gore, CK has a nice, clean pocket to throw from.


Meanwhile, at the bat cave....JK, You see the 3 defenders cluing on Davis which will open up Johnson's curl route.



You see how Johnson was able to be open, how CK was able to have a clean pocket to throw from. He gets the ball to Johnson who uses his athletic ability to get yards after the catch - that's an awesome play!
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Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Yes sir, the stretch concept is used by the offense to stretch out the defense.



They're in cover 3 zone - 3 deep, 4 underneath



The entire route combo stretches the defense. The post route pulls the middle and deep 3rd zones up, the RB in the flat holds the underneath defender. This causes a huge area to be opened up because the zones are "stretched" out.
Thank you.

Question:
Aren't the defenders allowed to switch their men even in a zone coverage, if needed?
I mean, the DB who went with our deepest WR could also take over Davis WAY EARLIER if the other DB takes over the deep WR instead at the same time (the guy on the left side of both of the pictures).
Or is it simply impossible to do this within 1-2 seconds to do that?
Well, for starters, it depends on how the coaches want them to play it. Some will have their underneath defender run with the wheel - if that's the way they play it. Some don't though, because that can open up other things. It looks, by the way they played it, that they were just beat by scheme. The corner can't pull off the post because he has to be ready for a in/out "flag" route. That's where the outside receiver will start on a post and then head out, called the "flag" route because it heads towards the "pylon" or "flag" of the endzone which the middle safety can't cover. The corner's in a really tough spot there, that's why it's a stretch concept against the zone, and why our offense is so tough when we got all our weapons. You can't take off from a receiver and teams don't like to run man coverage on us much because of Davis and CK.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
This play is stinkin awesome all around - gets me excited! This is the 20 yarder to Stevie Johnson



Here Dallas is going to "sugar" the "A" gaps. Meaning, they bring both their LB's up to the gaps between the center and guards. This puts a lot of pressure on the O-line, hard on the QB because you don't know if both, 1 or none are coming. Dallas gave this look a lot. We have trips right and we're going to run Davis on a streak, Boldin on a short out, and Johnson on a deep curl.



Dallas is trying to run a type of zone out of this with the backside corner taking a man coverage. One of the LB's covering the "A" gap backs out and looks straight for Davis.



The flat defender sees Boldin and drops down to take him away in his "flat" responsibility. The Corner on the bottom(#39) keeps his eyes on Davis worrying about a "corner" route and the LB keeps his eyes on Davis for the "Post" route and the safety keeps his eyes on Davis for the "streak" route. This leaves 3 defenders watching one guy, leaving Johnson unwatched/uncovered.


Meanwhile, this is what happened at the LOS. You see how the LB's have "sugared" the "A" gaps. Then CK talks to his O-line to make sure they've made the proper adjustment.


What Dallas does is actually pretty complex - they back off the LB out of the weakside "A" gap, and then stunt the strong side DE into that hole.



They're trying to show an overload to the strong side so that the RB will take a LB on that side for blitz pickup, however, the line and Gore make the right adjustment and Gore steps up in pass pro. Although, this puts a DE on a RB in pass pro - usually a win for any defense.



Gore absolutely rocks the DE - this was so awesome - I love Gore! He stepped up against a guy who's got at least 65 lbs on him and stands him up.



Because of the O-line - and a huge part by Gore, CK has a nice, clean pocket to throw from.


Meanwhile, at the bat cave....JK, You see the 3 defenders cluing on Davis which will open up Johnson's curl route.



You see how Johnson was able to be open, how CK was able to have a clean pocket to throw from. He gets the ball to Johnson who uses his athletic ability to get yards after the catch - that's an awesome play!

I loved this play as well. The off the line bunch guys ran a little curl-flat action. The point of the bunch ran a seam, clearing things up for the crosser coming from the backside. This was a well schemed play.

Between the curl-flat concept and the crosser backside, you get a nice little zone busting triangle.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Sep 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM ]
Originally posted by T-9ers:
I don't know if you can blame Wilhoite on the second one cuz he had to keep an eye on Dez. That middlle safety needs to come up sooner if we expect Wilhoite to cover that flat, but I'm assuming they're trying to keep everything underneath just waiting for Romo to implode. The first looks like he can't flat out see if the ball has been handed off or not, while ward and Willis have pretty good visual angles. He played those pretty good in my opine, but yes , Bowman would have got there.

The 2nd one for the fat - that is a tough job - I'm not trying to say that he sucks or isn't capable - it's just the kind of thing we could do very effectively with Willis in that spot because he's so fast for a LB. The 2nd one though, it doesn't matter how good of a view of the RB he has because a LB isn't supposed to have his eyes in the backfield - he's supposed to read the lineman. The lineman will tell you if it's a run or pass. If you see a "high hat" meaning they stand straight up - they're in pass pro and it's a pass. If they fire out low - it's a run. If a guard pulls, the run is going where he's going. So, a LB is supposed to read the "triangle" the Guards through the center to the RB.



Here's the triangle


You see how all the lineman are in pass pro with "high hats". Ward can't actually see the RB behind the lineman and he's dropping - he's reading lineman.
Thank you very much.
Excellent thread. Thanks for taking the time to post this.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
This play is stinkin awesome all around - gets me excited! This is the 20 yarder to Stevie Johnson



Here Dallas is going to "sugar" the "A" gaps. Meaning, they bring both their LB's up to the gaps between the center and guards. This puts a lot of pressure on the O-line, hard on the QB because you don't know if both, 1 or none are coming. Dallas gave this look a lot. We have trips right and we're going to run Davis on a streak, Boldin on a short out, and Johnson on a deep curl.



Dallas is trying to run a type of zone out of this with the backside corner taking a man coverage. One of the LB's covering the "A" gap backs out and looks straight for Davis.



The flat defender sees Boldin and drops down to take him away in his "flat" responsibility. The Corner on the bottom(#39) keeps his eyes on Davis worrying about a "corner" route and the LB keeps his eyes on Davis for the "Post" route and the safety keeps his eyes on Davis for the "streak" route. This leaves 3 defenders watching one guy, leaving Johnson unwatched/uncovered.


Meanwhile, this is what happened at the LOS. You see how the LB's have "sugared" the "A" gaps. Then CK talks to his O-line to make sure they've made the proper adjustment.


What Dallas does is actually pretty complex - they back off the LB out of the weakside "A" gap, and then stunt the strong side DE into that hole.



They're trying to show an overload to the strong side so that the RB will take a LB on that side for blitz pickup, however, the line and Gore make the right adjustment and Gore steps up in pass pro. Although, this puts a DE on a RB in pass pro - usually a win for any defense.



Gore absolutely rocks the DE - this was so awesome - I love Gore! He stepped up against a guy who's got at least 65 lbs on him and stands him up.



Because of the O-line - and a huge part by Gore, CK has a nice, clean pocket to throw from.


Meanwhile, at the bat cave....JK, You see the 3 defenders cluing on Davis which will open up Johnson's curl route.



You see how Johnson was able to be open, how CK was able to have a clean pocket to throw from. He gets the ball to Johnson who uses his athletic ability to get yards after the catch - that's an awesome play!
Originally posted by jonnydel:
This play is stinkin awesome all around - gets me excited! This is the 20 yarder to Stevie Johnson



Here Dallas is going to "sugar" the "A" gaps. Meaning, they bring both their LB's up to the gaps between the center and guards. This puts a lot of pressure on the O-line, hard on the QB because you don't know if both, 1 or none are coming. Dallas gave this look a lot. We have trips right and we're going to run Davis on a streak, Boldin on a short out, and Johnson on a deep curl.



Dallas is trying to run a type of zone out of this with the backside corner taking a man coverage. One of the LB's covering the "A" gap backs out and looks straight for Davis.



The flat defender sees Boldin and drops down to take him away in his "flat" responsibility. The Corner on the bottom(#39) keeps his eyes on Davis worrying about a "corner" route and the LB keeps his eyes on Davis for the "Post" route and the safety keeps his eyes on Davis for the "streak" route. This leaves 3 defenders watching one guy, leaving Johnson unwatched/uncovered.


Meanwhile, this is what happened at the LOS. You see how the LB's have "sugared" the "A" gaps. Then CK talks to his O-line to make sure they've made the proper adjustment.


What Dallas does is actually pretty complex - they back off the LB out of the weakside "A" gap, and then stunt the strong side DE into that hole.



They're trying to show an overload to the strong side so that the RB will take a LB on that side for blitz pickup, however, the line and Gore make the right adjustment and Gore steps up in pass pro. Although, this puts a DE on a RB in pass pro - usually a win for any defense.



Gore absolutely rocks the DE - this was so awesome - I love Gore! He stepped up against a guy who's got at least 65 lbs on him and stands him up.



Because of the O-line - and a huge part by Gore, CK has a nice, clean pocket to throw from.


Meanwhile, at the bat cave....JK, You see the 3 defenders cluing on Davis which will open up Johnson's curl route.



You see how Johnson was able to be open, how CK was able to have a clean pocket to throw from. He gets the ball to Johnson who uses his athletic ability to get yards after the catch - that's an awesome play!

One of the most underrated plays of the game, can't recall seeing this in highlight reels of the game. Thanks for breaking it down for us. And enjoying your informative posts as always. Glad to see you're continuing from last season.
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