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Originally posted by thl408:
I'll get to one now. This would have been a better example of the point Cossell was trying to make.

4th Quarter
11:01
1st & 10

Here, CHI comes with a 5 man rush with a cover 3 shell and 3 underneath zone defenders. 49ers go hi-low along the right sidelines using the Sail concept. The blue defender is the key defender for Kap. He is the defender that will determine where Kap should throw.


The blue defender has committed to Miller in the flat. This means the throw must go to VD. His defender has inside leverage and VD is about to break outside. That's a win for VD. Kap should start working to get his body into a throwing position.


He should now be in a throwing motion.


Kap not pulling the trigger.


Sacked

Thank you, thank you, thank you. THAT is exactly the difference between where Kap is and where he should be. Given the coverage and the play called, he had plenty of time to throw, provided he had the mythical "killer instinct." True killer instinct is trusting that you can throw to a spot instead of reacting to something you see.
Nice read. But I disagree all the way with your stance on the read option. Your high school okay whatever but the Niners have the personnel to master it. And you've already seen the damage CK7 has done with it destroying many D's. the traditional fullback days are long gone man. That's Palio football. Bruce miller is a talented guy I like him. But he needs to be on that bench more. When you have 3 highly talented WR's like we do and the most gifted TE. Spreading that ball around should easily open up the holes for our ground game to explode. We just need a descent OC who can bring out the greatest talent of our players and rack up tons of points
Wow, this non-throw to VD 7th-rounder style...

Hadn't seen this posted yet, looks like Boldin was waving hello to Kap on the last offensive play of the game but another incompletion to crabtree to end a game. I'm not saying the pass to Crabtree that hit him in the hands was the wrong decision, but an easier pass to Boldin may have been the better decision.
Originally posted by ltrain:

Hadn't seen this posted yet, looks like Boldin was waving hello to Kap on the last offensive play of the game but another incompletion to crabtree to end a game. I'm not saying the pass to Crabtree that hit him in the hands was the wrong decision, but an easier pass to Boldin may have been the better decision.



Damn.. i knew it. Kap is bad decided to throw but he threw to crabtree but he shall throw to Boldin. Look at him open..
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Originally posted by audick:
Thank you, thank you, thank you. THAT is exactly the difference between where Kap is and where he should be. Given the coverage and the play called, he had plenty of time to throw, provided he had the mythical "killer instinct." True killer instinct is trusting that you can throw to a spot instead of reacting to something you see.

There's a danger with showing one play and saying 'this is what always happens', which is why I am much more comfortable analyzing individual plays than a player. For every play I can show of Kap not making an anticipation throw, I can show another where he does make an anticipation throw. This shows inconsistency in making an anticipation throw, not an inability.

Some QBs are incapable of being mobile, or incapable of making a deep out throw. Kap is inconsistent at a few things at this stage in his career such as anticipation throws and knowing where in the pocket to shuffle to, in order to buy time. However, he is not incapable of doing these things. This game had Kap doing some, in my opinion, ugly things. The play I showed above was a play I consider should have been very easily read because the key defender was in front of his face and I've seen him make the same read, into the same coverage (cover 3 shell, 5 rushers), when the 49ers ran the same concept (Sail). In this instance he didn't look very good.

On this night, he did quite a few things 'not very well', such as not looking off the safety (Conte INT), which I've seen him do many times before. Because he's done these things before, it allows me to fault him more for it, because he knows better. I'll probably show some more ugly plays from Kap on a night where a lot of ugly things happened to the team, but it doesn't mean he's incapable of doing these things.
Thanks for the write up Jonnydell!

Your comment that it didn't seem to be systematic failure rings true and the change in preseason philosophy on many teams has impacted early season play. Many teams are playing vets much less and they don't seem as ready for the season. Seattle, SF, NO, NE, GB...all show signs of a slow start. Teams that are hungry and who have underacheived started out strong--Cincy, Buffalo, Carolina and Arizona. Things will settle down through the season and the niners will become much more consistent as Boone and the young guys get experience. I put Boone in there because he didn't play in preseason, which makes it almost impossible for him to be totally game ready (fluid) in the second week.
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Originally posted by thl408:
I'll get to one now. This would have been a better example of the point Cossell was trying to make.

4th Quarter
11:01
1st & 10

Here, CHI comes with a 5 man rush with a cover 3 shell and 3 underneath zone defenders. 49ers go hi-low along the right sidelines using the Sail concept. The blue defender is the key defender for Kap. He is the defender that will determine where Kap should throw.


The blue defender has committed to Miller in the flat. This means the throw must go to VD. His defender has inside leverage and VD is about to break outside. That's a win for VD. Kap should start working to get his body into a throwing position.


He should now be in a throwing motion.


Kap not pulling the trigger.


Sacked

When I watch Wilson throw I ask why receiver/back is open and now I know Kap can be late on some throws and hopefully despite CBA he may improve.
Speaking as a noob, how do you differentiate between Cover3 and Cover1 man-under from the line of scrimmage?
Originally posted by thl408:
This is the harder way to attack cover3. Trying to go at the CBs and how they use bail technique. It works well if the WRs can instill fear into the CBs that the WRs are capable of beating them vertically. That is not Boldin/Crabs/SJ.

CBs playing cover3 will bail at the snap to get to their deep third zone, making sure nothing gets behind them. Here, the 49ers try to get a short gain on a quick curl. To do so, the WR needs to sell the deep route and get that CB's hips turned up the field, then curl the route, for what should be a sure catch.

3rd Quarter - This is the 1st Fuller INT where he "took it away" from Crabs.


The CB is seen bailing, watching the QB. Because Crabs can't threaten deep, the CB never fully turns upfield. This should still be okay, provided Kap puts the ball on the correct shoulder - the inside shoulder, towards the middle of the field.


Instead of throwing the path of the yellow, he throws the path of the orange, which allows Fuller to make a play.


INT'ed. It's a longer throw for what would probably be an 8-10 yard gain. The benefit of attacking the CB is more RAC potential if a tackle is broken since there aren't 3 LBs patrolling the area, like in the middle of the field. The downside is an inaccurate throw is big trouble.

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So now the 49ers know that Fuller is cheating, and not respecting Crabs' speed. This is on the final drive of the game. Crabs (bottom of screen) will do a hitch and go and try to catch Fuller cheating.


The hitch by Crabs combined with a pump fake from Kap. Fuller doesn't fall for it.


49ers also had a Smash concept on the other side, with a route over the middle, but Kap wants the big play. The double move never worked and Kap is sacked. The 49ers were fortunate enough to extend this drive on a 4th down conversion, but these two plays made me very uneasy about how the 49ers wanted to move the ball in the passing game in the 2nd half, particularly when they were trailing. I felt they could have gotten a short gain over the middle, again it's 2nd & 8.



It seems to me that Crabtree could have done better to sell the double move however.
Lets call it like it is. Kap is taking too Long to read coverage and is holding the ball TOOOO Long. He needs a quicker release.
I would agree with you, except we have some serious issues moving the ball when we need to. There is a serious flaw with this offense. Whether it be coaching, QB, WR, OL... We have some serious issues and you guys would be much better off if you stopped ignoring the obvious.
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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Speaking as a noob, how do you differentiate between Cover3 and Cover1 man-under from the line of scrimmage?

You are right that pre-snap, cover 1 can look like cover3. This is the SEA defense in a nutshell. A QB can look at the LBs and how they are aligned over the slot WRs and RBs in the backfield. If they are head up on the WR/RB, it can be sign of man coverage. A QB can also put players in motion to gain intel in hopes that the defense reveals itself. If the defender follows the WR across the formation, it can be a sign of man coverage. Defenses are good at disguising so the only true way to tell is to go post snap and watch how the LBs react to the WRs since CBs can lie to the QB. There can also be tells that the QB can pick up on through film study and experience.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Speaking as a noob, how do you differentiate between Cover3 and Cover1 man-under from the line of scrimmage?

You are right that pre-snap, cover 1 can look like cover3. This is the SEA defense in a nutshell. A QB can look at the LBs and how they are aligned over the slot WRs and RBs in the backfield. If they are head up on the WR/RB, it can be sign of man coverage. A QB can also put players in motion to gain intel in hopes that the defense reveals itself. If the defender follows the WR across the formation, it can be a sign of man coverage. Defenses are good at disguising so the only true way to tell is to go post snap and watch how the LBs react to the WRs since CBs can lie to the QB. There can also be tells that the QB can pick up on through film study and experience.

Great info, thanks for answering my question!
Originally posted by Phil:




^ Ya, he's staring Boldin down, mistake no1 but look at the pass itself. If there was an arch to it and placed in front of Boldin that's a TD. That ball was poorly thrown along wit the fact he was staring Boldin down. Look where Boldin is when the ball is intercepted, it is intercepted at the 30 and Boldin is at about the 28. Not only was the pass low but it was behind Boldin.

Idk man I think if he puts more air under it Boldin might have a chance at catching it but, the defender was gonna be there no matter what. He probably doesn't jump if the ball is thrown better. Hes watching the ball at that point and following it to which ever area it was thrown to.
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