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  • thl408
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Kap under pressure
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This play was seen in post #138. There's a window to hit VD on the hi-low read. Kap doesn't pull the trigger.


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Kap under pressure
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This play was broken down by Cossell (and seen in post #137). Cossell thinks Kap had a window to hit Crabs (bottom of screen) on the In route. I don't think Kap had time because he would have really risked getting hit as he threw the ball, had he hung in there to throw the ball. Kap faced pressure fairly quickly here and is sacked.
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Kap under pressure
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4Q 3rd & 3
Kap faces an unblocked blitzer (slot CB) and does a tremendous job escaping two tacklers to convert the 1st down. He had zero time to scan the field.


The unblocked pressure comes from the CB lined up over Boldin. 15 yard scramble.
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Kap under pressure
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4Q 3:27 2nd & 8
Kap will dropback and look to his left towards Crabs attempting a double move (hitch and go) trying to hit a big play on the CB Fuller.


When Fuller doesn't bite, Kap red lights Crabs and gets hit just as he is about to look to VD over the middle.




This play was touched on in post #23. At the time of that post, I thought Kap was a bit impatient going for the big play, but looking back, this is the final drive and I can't blame the 49ers for being aggressive. They thought they had something by trying to attack Fuller with a double move. It didn't materialize and Kap had time for only one read as JMartin (#71) gets soundly beaten.
[ Edited by thl408 on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:29 PM ]
On the first pressure it looks like he bails out of the pocket when nobody is within 3 or 4 yards on him.
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Kap under pressure
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4Q 2:53 3rd & 13
The play looks designed for the WR at the top of the screen (Kap's right) to push his defender downfield for the slot WR to work the area underneath on a quick Out route.
CHI: Tampa2 or Cover 2 Zone (not sure)


CHI executes a wicked stunt. Those white hands on JMartin (#71) belong to the CHI DE. He has his hands wrapped around JMart and will yank JMart towards the center of the Oline. The DE plays it off by pretending to fall, but it's obvious he is setting up the DT. Then the DT (orange) will loop around to immediately pressure Kap.


There is no time to scan the field. Kap does a great job to escape and gain +7.


[ Edited by thl408 on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:49 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
Kap under pressure
#4
This play was broken down by Cossell (and seen in post #137). Cossell thinks Kap had a window to hit Crabs (bottom of screen) on the In route. I don't think Kap had time because he would have really risked getting hit as he threw the ball, had he hung in there to throw the ball. Kap faced pressure fairly quickly here and is sacked.

Agreed. That's what I was saying, The pressure was there before Crab can get open and if he forced that throw There's a chance it can get intercepted cuz from what it looks, he would've thrown that behind crab and into fuller.
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CHI: Cover 1 Man










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Based upon all of you excellent analysis it seems that Kap thinks he is superman and can win games by himself. The ultimate team sport needs Kap to run the offense, not try to be the offense.
Originally posted by pickle:
Based upon all of you excellent analysis it seems that Kap thinks he is superman and can win games by himself. The ultimate team sport needs Kap to run the offense, not try to be the offense.
Great analysis. I'm glad that after 14 pages of highly detailed and insightful discussion, this was the conclusion you could draw from it.

Anyways, that last picture of crabs with the ball on his hand burns, burns deep.
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Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
I apologize in advance as I've avoided the internet and TV for the first half of this week.but for Jed and THL, was my assumption correct about the second half?

Did the bears dare us to find the 3 on 2 in coverage and sell out against plays they felt confident we were going to run. In my mind there was one play in particular where we showed trips to the bottom of the screen (on tv) and yet there was no audible, no nothing but running the play the bears were prepared for. Im doing my best not to be harsh on our OC (and I admit I may hold roman more accountable than most) but it seems to me like we are always playing into the opponents hand and our basic instinct is "try and stop us" but in todays NFL that is BS.


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After watching how Kap handles cover3 versus CHI, I think Kap's development as a pocket passer is cursed by his running ability. When traditional pocket QBs feel the heat in the pocket, they learn to get rid of the ball faster because there is no other option. Kap has a fantastic second option, his legs. So instead of hanging in the pocket, he looks to "checkdown" to his scrambling ability - sometimes too quickly. I think there are two ways his development can go, like a fork in the road. He can continue to fall back on his scrambling when there's some heat in the pocket, or he can stick it out in the pocket and practice throwing into holes in the coverage, learning to throw with anticipation.

In the CHI game, there wasn't really much to decipher in terms of "what coverage is CHI playing?". It was basically cover3 all night. Kap needs to be faster identifying the holes and throw it into that hole if the play design asks for a WR to run into that quiet area. There were indeed routes (passing plays) being run into the holes of CHI's cover3 last Sunday. Trust that the CBs are playing with a certain leverage when cover3 is called. Trust that the underneath LBs are in a certain position, with certain spacing in between them, which provides an understanding for where the passing lanes are to the intermediate routes (behind LBs, in front of safeties). Elite QBs carve up zone coverage because they understand the holes and passing lanes of each coverage type. I like that Kap has a lot of film to look at from the CHI game. It's up to more coaching and more learning now.

There is simply too much grass for 7 zone defenders to cover, provided the Oline allows the routes to develop. To visualize, the grey areas are the open areas/throwing lanes in cover3.

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That last picture....blame Kap all you want, but a top WR in this league makes that catch,
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Originally posted by DeUh:
Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
I apologize in advance as I've avoided the internet and TV for the first half of this week.but for Jed and THL, was my assumption correct about the second half?

Did the bears dare us to find the 3 on 2 in coverage and sell out against plays they felt confident we were going to run. In my mind there was one play in particular where we showed trips to the bottom of the screen (on tv) and yet there was no audible, no nothing but running the play the bears were prepared for. Im doing my best not to be harsh on our OC (and I admit I may hold roman more accountable than most) but it seems to me like we are always playing into the opponents hand and our basic instinct is "try and stop us" but in todays NFL that is BS.



TheRickestRick, are you stating that the 49ers had trips to the bottom, a 3 WR versus 2 defender situation, and the 49ers still ran the ball? If it was a passing play, can you identify it from the thumbnails in post #2? I can probably give you a better answer if I knew what play you were referring to. Maybe tell me if the 49er offense was going left to right, or right to left. To answer your general question of "Did the bears dare us to find the 3 on 2 in coverage and sell out against plays they felt confident we were going to run"?, I think CHI was in a way daring the 49ers all night. Cover3, cover3, cover3, cover3. That's like saying, "this is what we are going to do, try to beat it". So yes, they were daring the 49ers, but I don't think they knew what the 49ers were going to do.

I'm not undestanding where this notion of "the defense knows what's coming" is coming from. Looking at the thumbnails, do you guys see a blatant repetition of certain concepts and/or route combinations? I saw a certain route combination that I saw several times against DAL and a few times against CHI, out of trips formation. Other than that, I have read posters say "what kind of offense are they? Are they ground and pound? Pistol/read option? Spread attack?". I think that is more true than, "the defense knows what's coming". To me, it seems like the 49ers mix it up well, almost to a fault where it's hard for the players/Kap to find a groove.
Originally posted by thl408:
After watching how Kap handles cover3 versus CHI, I think Kap's development as a pocket passer is cursed by his running ability. When traditional pocket QBs feel the heat in the pocket, they learn to get rid of the ball faster because there is no other option. Kap has a fantastic second option, his legs. So instead of hanging in the pocket, he looks to "checkdown" to his scrambling ability - sometimes too quickly. I think there are two ways his development can go, like a fork in the road. He can continue to fall back on his scrambling when there's some heat in the pocket, or he can stick it out in the pocket and practice throwing into holes in the coverage, learning to throw with anticipation.

In the CHI game, there wasn't really much to decipher in terms of "what coverage is CHI playing?". It was basically cover3 all night. Kap needs to be faster identifying the holes and throw it into that hole if the play design asks for a WR to run into that quiet area. There were indeed routes (passing plays) being run into the holes of CHI's cover3 last Sunday. Trust that the CBs are playing with a certain leverage when cover3 is called. Trust that the underneath LBs are in a certain position, with certain spacing in between them, which provides an understanding for where the passing lanes are to the intermediate routes (behind LBs, in front of safeties). Elite QBs carve up zone coverage because they understand the holes and passing lanes of each coverage type. I like that Kap has a lot of film to look at from the CHI game. It's up to more coaching and more learning now.

There is simply too much grass for 7 zone defenders to cover, provided the Oline allows the routes to develop. To visualize, the grey areas are the open areas/throwing lanes in cover3.


This is why he needs to work more on holding that FS. The FS is the key to getting those open spots comfortably open.
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