Chicago Bears game coaches film analysis

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Niners816:
^^^^exactly, the drag is open and official is even there to set the natural pick.

Well...it looks like he never even had time to come off that first receiver to get to his second read.

I think you're both correct.

Kap spent too much time looking for the double move to materialize on the backside. He loves to look backside and bypass the concept side. This is nothing new for Kap. On this play, he shows the desire for the big play. If he looks concept side to start with, he has the time and option to hit the crosser.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Niners816:
^^^^exactly, the drag is open and official is even there to set the natural pick.

Well...it looks like he never even had time to come off that first receiver to get to his second read.

I think you're both correct.

Kap spent too much time looking for the double move to materialize on the backside. He loves to look backside and bypass the concept side. This is nothing new for Kap. On this play, he shows the desire for the big play. If he looks concept side to start with, he has the time and option to hit the crosser.

Same thing happened on his first INT - I'm working on that play right now.

I think its safe to say Vance McDonald in the 2nd round was a terrible pick. He has stone hands and should have been a 5th-6th round pick. Carrier ( I think thats how its spelt) did more in one half of that game than McDonald has done in over a year.

The game came down to
1. Penalties
2. Kaepernick turning the ball over

We limit either of those 2 things and we win the game.

Time management and use of TO's is clearly something the staff have no clue how to utilize and I am no longer expecting us to get better in this category.

Originally posted by Canadian9erfan:
I think its safe to say Vance McDonald in the 2nd round was a terrible pick. He has stone hands and should have been a 5th-6th round pick. Carrier ( I think thats how its spelt) did more in one half of that game than McDonald has done in over a year.

The game came down to
1. Penalties
2. Kaepernick turning the ball over

We limit either of those 2 things and we win the game.

Time management and use of TO's is clearly something the staff have no clue how to utilize and I am no longer expecting us to get better in this category.

SMDH.

Seriously?

He dropped one pass. ONE. It was even behind him. LOL.

Cracks me up how all of the sudden after 2 catches Carrier is the answer to all our prayers. LOL.

Here's CK's first INT: It wasn't necessarily a bad read, he had a couple checkdown options that would've been available, the other guy does make a tremendous play though.


This is a decent design by Roman, we come out with a 2 TE set, which causes Chicago to call a cover 3 zone defense - it's what we're looking for. We flex VD out wide to the bottom and then bring McDonald in motion across the formation. We're going to run play action to try and open up the Skinny post in the Seam. It almost works.


note the play action to try and bring the LB's up close to open up the seam route passing lane. The safety though, on his drop opens up to the 3 receiver side. What CK has to do is then look to the other side of the field towards Davis to move the safety - at least make him square his hips so he's not in position to drive on the ball.


You see the LB is dropping into the passing lane and as soon as CK starts his windup the safety is already closing on the ball.

It would've been a tight throw if completed.

INT

He would've had Hyde for at least a checkdown on the play as the defenders were all dropping back in coverage. Not saying he should've thrown it to the checkdown, but it was there.


You see the presence of the LB in the throwing lane causes Ck to throw the ball with a little more arc on it. This helps the safety have time to close on the ball(this is also why I keep saying Wilhoite isn't taking enough depth on his pass coverage drops).

It was that close. This is why looking the safety off is so important. It's one of those "little things" that has to happen. It's the right call against the defense(the play action didn't affect the LB's as much as I'd like to see though) but a minor mistake in execution makes a huge difference. If he causes that safety to square his hips it makes him 1 or 2 steps slow on the pass - which is the difference between a big gain and an INT. Gotta give it to Chicago's D though, they played that VERY well.

What are you seeing from Ahmad Brooks on tape? he seems to have peaked

Originally posted by Canadian9erfan:
I think its safe to say Vance McDonald in the 2nd round was a terrible pick. He has stone hands and should have been a 5th-6th round pick. Carrier ( I think thats how its spelt) did more in one half of that game than McDonald has done in over a year.

The game came down to
1. Penalties
2. Kaepernick turning the ball over

We limit either of those 2 things and we win the game.

Time management and use of TO's is clearly something the staff have no clue how to utilize and I am no longer expecting us to get better in this category.

My only thing about McDonald is that, even though they are all listed as TE's McDonald isn't really playing TE most of the time. That's why Carrier had the catches - he was playing VD's spot after VD went out. McDonald really plays a "U" back position(that's what Bill Walsh called it). Where he's a hybrid of TE, FB, extra T, and slot receiver. He's the "swiss army knife" as Roman calls him. He's there most for his blocking abilities and formational strength and used in checkdowns to the flat and/or curls.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's CK's first INT: It wasn't necessarily a bad read, he had a couple checkdown options that would've been available, the other guy does make a tremendous play though.


This is a decent design by Roman, we come out with a 2 TE set, which causes Chicago to call a cover 3 zone defense - it's what we're looking for. We flex VD out wide to the bottom and then bring McDonald in motion across the formation. We're going to run play action to try and open up the Skinny post in the Seam. It almost works.


note the play action to try and bring the LB's up close to open up the seam route passing lane. The safety though, on his drop opens up to the 3 receiver side. What CK has to do is then look to the other side of the field towards Davis to move the safety - at least make him square his hips so he's not in position to drive on the ball.


You see the LB is dropping into the passing lane and as soon as CK starts his windup the safety is already closing on the ball.

It would've been a tight throw if completed.

INT

He would've had Hyde for at least a checkdown on the play as the defenders were all dropping back in coverage. Not saying he should've thrown it to the checkdown, but it was there.


You see the presence of the LB in the throwing lane causes Ck to throw the ball with a little more arc on it. This helps the safety have time to close on the ball(this is also why I keep saying Wilhoite isn't taking enough depth on his pass coverage drops).

It was that close. This is why looking the safety off is so important. It's one of those "little things" that has to happen. It's the right call against the defense(the play action didn't affect the LB's as much as I'd like to see though) but a minor mistake in execution makes a huge difference. If he causes that safety to square his hips it makes him 1 or 2 steps slow on the pass - which is the difference between a big gain and an INT. Gotta give it to Chicago's D though, they played that VERY well.

Great play by the safety, but you are correct that Kap needed to look off the safety to at least create that hair of extra space to get the ball in.

Also, to the "why didn't we run the ball more" crowd, look at the open space there was to pass with that single deep safety. THATS why they were passing the ball.

The Niners were passing because they were getting favorable looks. If Conte doesn't make that diving play either because he doesn't make an outstanding play or Kap looks him off Boldin might have scored.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Canadian9erfan:
I think its safe to say Vance McDonald in the 2nd round was a terrible pick. He has stone hands and should have been a 5th-6th round pick. Carrier ( I think thats how its spelt) did more in one half of that game than McDonald has done in over a year.

The game came down to
1. Penalties
2. Kaepernick turning the ball over

We limit either of those 2 things and we win the game.

Time management and use of TO's is clearly something the staff have no clue how to utilize and I am no longer expecting us to get better in this category.

My only thing about McDonald is that, even though they are all listed as TE's McDonald isn't really playing TE most of the time. That's why Carrier had the catches - he was playing VD's spot after VD went out. McDonald really plays a "U" back position(that's what Bill Walsh called it). Where he's a hybrid of TE, FB, extra T, and slot receiver. He's the "swiss army knife" as Roman calls him. He's there most for his blocking abilities and formational strength and used in checkdowns to the flat and/or curls.

Right...he's doing all the stuff that Walker used to do.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Niners816:

^^^^exactly, the drag is open and official is even there to set the natural pick.

Well...it looks like he never even had time to come off that first receiver to get to his second read.

I think you're both correct.

Kap spent too much time looking for the double move to materialize on the backside. He loves to look backside and bypass the concept side. This is nothing new for Kap. On this play, he shows the desire for the big play. If he looks concept side to start with, he has the time and option to hit the crosser.

It's just that fine line between taking what is given and wanting to hit the home run. Kap has shown he is capable of reading defense and making all the throws. However, his willingness to ignore the concept side on 3 x 1 sets is really my on "compliant" with him. I just think he would/will be a much more effective passer when his first instinct is to work the concept. He doesn't do it all the time, but he seems to do it at a higher rate than most.

Originally posted by lamontb:
What are you seeing from Ahmad Brooks on tape? he seems to have peaked

Continues to play the run well - still has mental lapses, he looks a step slower this year(maybe the added weight he put on this year) and isn't playing with good leverage in pass rush. He's getting too high - this is causing a lot of his "illegal hands to the face" stuff. If Skuta keeps playing the way he is this year and Brooks does not vastly improve on his pass rush, I'd be surprised if Brooks is with us next year at a 9 mil cap figure. he's not playing at that level. He's dominant against the run and is doing much better on his pass drops than he did last year, but, he is a step slower - it shows up in his open field tackling and inability to get around the RT the most.

He's also not firing out low on pass rushes, he's coming out a little high, so he's not able to utilize a bull rush to set up a speed rush.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Canadian9erfan:
I think its safe to say Vance McDonald in the 2nd round was a terrible pick. He has stone hands and should have been a 5th-6th round pick. Carrier ( I think thats how its spelt) did more in one half of that game than McDonald has done in over a year.

The game came down to
1. Penalties
2. Kaepernick turning the ball over

We limit either of those 2 things and we win the game.

Time management and use of TO's is clearly something the staff have no clue how to utilize and I am no longer expecting us to get better in this category.

SMDH.

Seriously?

He dropped one pass. ONE. It was even behind him. LOL.

Cracks me up how all of the sudden after 2 catches Carrier is the answer to all our prayers. LOL.

I am not saying Carrier is the answer at all. Just saying he made some big catches down the field and i dont remember McDonald ever doing that. Yes he dropped 1 pass, one pass that hit both of his hands! When you are known for dropping balls and you get your name called to make a play, MAKE IT. He was a 2nd round pick and we are not getting 2nd round pick production.

Delanie Walker was known for dropping balls, but he also made some good plays here and there and i think everyone would much rather still have him here (he is killing it in Tenn). If we want to use McDonald as a 2nd TE and a blocker then fine, but i do not trust him running any route down the field and actually catching the ball. We need to limit TE drafting to later rounds and focusing on 6'6 or 6'7 guys who we can throw jump balls to in the endzone. We lack that type of WR/TE and it hurts us in red zone.

The thing here is that we're seeing stuff as a product of having limited reps in preseason and all of it can be fixed. The Kap missed throw to Carrier which would have been a TD because Carrier has some burners on him. After that second interception, Kap was rattled and in disbelief and went back to old bad habits.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Niners816:
^^^^exactly, the drag is open and official is even there to set the natural pick.

Well...it looks like he never even had time to come off that first receiver to get to his second read.

I think you're both correct.

Kap spent too much time looking for the double move to materialize on the backside. He loves to look backside and bypass the concept side. This is nothing new for Kap. On this play, he shows the desire for the big play. If he looks concept side to start with, he has the time and option to hit the crosser.

It's just that fine line between taking what is given and wanting to hit the home run. Kap has shown he is capable of reading defense and making all the throws. However, his willingness to ignore the concept side on 3 x 1 sets is really my on "compliant" with him. I just think he would/will be a much more effective passer when his first instinct is to work the concept. He doesn't do it all the time, but he seems to do it at a higher rate than most.

It is a fine line and one that he seems to go back and forth on. Working the concept side is what is going to separate him from being a great athlete playing quarterback to being a quarterback who's a great athlete. It's what will separate him from a Cam Newton, RGIII, Manziel, Geno Smith, Michael Vick to an Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
The thing here is that we're seeing stuff as a product of having limited reps in preseason and all of it can be fixed. The Kap missed throw to Carrier which would have been a TD because Carrier has some burners on him. After that second interception, Kap was rattled and in disbelief and went back to old bad habits.

definitely agree that he looked rattled. There were times that he wasn't really getting pressured but started to get happy feet.