Philadelphia Eagles coaches game analysis

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Here's the pick from CK - props to Thl, he did correct me on it being man-coverage. Case in point - I don't see everything lol....


Philly is going to run a cover 1 "lurk" with the MLB playing a "lurking" middle zone. We're going to run an in/out pattern up top and a double slant on the bottom.


The slot corner does a good job of staying in a "trail technique" against Boldin as he knows he's got help to the inside with the LB. Loyd does a good job of creating separation at the bottom.


The only thing is that the slot corner slows up on his coverage because he knows we're looking for a shallow route and he's got inside help.

Here you see the corner break off of his coverage on Boldin. Loyd had the separation for a first down and CK is getting hit right as he throws - so he couldn't hold the ball any longer.


The corner is in the perfect spot for the pick.
Remember, the guys on the other team are getting paid a lot of money too. Sometimes, players make plays and it's not something you can count on. You can't count on a guy completely abandoning his responsibility like this. I know this happened to Alex Smith a couple years ago when he threw a pick against the Giants. The "mic'd up" from that game showed Smith go to the sideline and Harbaugh asked, "did you guess on the coverage??" and Smith said, "no, he guessed". Meaning, the defender broke off his coverage and guessed on the slant route. That's what happened here. This guy "guessed" where the ball was going. - It happens to every QB from time to time. The Saints did it to Peyton Manning when they won their super bowl....

Great breakdown....that is just a superb play by the Philly db. Still had me throwing s**t, I just had a very bad feeling at that point.

This is the play where the 49ers got flagged for offensive pass interference. When watching it live, I was very upset when they called this penalty as it was the two PHI DBs that took each other out. Upon further review...

49ers:
Mesh concept with SJ and Lloyd (man coverage buster).
High-Lo (zone buster) along the right sideline with Boldin, Lloyd, and VD. Lloyd's route is ran as part of the Mesh and becomes part of the High_lo as he crosses over to the other side of the field. This is combining concepts.
PHI: Cover1 man
VD goes in motion (orange dashes) and a defender follows him (blue dashes). This should give Kap an indicator that it is man coverage.


Kap gets the snap and looks to his right towards the Hi-Low, no surprise, nothing is open. Hi-Low versus man coverage isn't an optimal matchup for the offense. SJ and Lloyd are about to create the Mesh. The defender on Lloyd has to go around the mesh (SJ and SJ's defender).


The defender (blue) on the ground is Lloyd's defender. SJ's defender was clipped and the separation is created.


The TV broadcast showed this and called it a bad penalty as it was the two defenders that collided into each other.


Going back to this screenshot. Notice where SJ is on the field. He is intentionally pushing his defender. The line of scrimmage is the 42 yard line. SJ is making contact at the 48 yard line.


Notice SJ pushing on his defender as the mesh is created. Might be hard to tell, but he is indeed pushing his defender. I think that's what the refs flagged.

Whether this was a built in "check-to" run in the play-call or an audible by CK, I don't know. Either way, it was a great call.


pre-snap, Philly shows a single safety look with the FS coming down into the box. CK pulls a false "hut"(one reason he does this so many times is to try and do what he achieves right here).


His false "hut" gets the FS to show he's backing out and the SS squares up to reveal a 2 deep safety defense.


In response, CK changes the play and motions Miller over to balance the formation.


By balancing the formation, we don't allow the defense to shift their front to anticipate a run. So, we're able to run at their weakness - which, against a 4-3 "under" look will be off tackle to the left.

Kilgore and Staley get good seal blocks and Iupati does a nice job of getting to the 2nd level. This gives Gore the "off-tackle" option. He's going to read the Tackles block and cut off the Tackles butt.

You see the seal blocks and how Gore is able to read the block and get to the outside.



It's a nice 15 yard gain. Great call against the right defense and well executed.

One more question.

How are the WR's doing in creating separation and coming back to Kap when something breaks down? A big debate when Kap gets sacked is that nobody is open. With all the new talent we brought in, is that still the case? Is he not seeing guys get open, are they not open, is the route not developed for Kap to throw.....what gives?

And going back to last years debate. Are you seeing a single anointed WR design or is everybody a viable target now?

Originally posted by thl408:
On the next play:

The Punt coverage unit. With the punt block coming right up the middle, the players to focus on are Dahl (#43), Nelson (#86), and Skuta (#51). Notice where Dahl is aligned, to the left of the formation.


Right after the snap, Nelson needs to be faster stepping to his right in order to anchor himself down versus orange. He should also understand that he has help (Dalh) behind him and feel free to fully commit himself to blocking orange. Skuta is trying to split the difference.


Orange has now beaten Nelson and Skuta has two rushers coming at him.


Skuta is overpowered by orange and blue, though not his fault.


What should have happened is Skuta takes blue 1 on 1. Nelson takes orange 1 on 1. If the defender behind orange decided to rush, that's on Dahl to pick him up. Nelson got caught trying to do too much, account for orange and the guy behind him, who never rushed.

Why was Phillie allowed to knock Lee down? Isn't that a penalty when a punter is going thru his motion of kicking?

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's the pick from CK - props to Thl, he did correct me on it being man-coverage. Case in point - I don't see everything lol....


Philly is going to run a cover 1 "lurk" with the MLB playing a "lurking" middle zone. We're going to run an in/out pattern up top and a double slant on the bottom.


The slot corner does a good job of staying in a "trail technique" against Boldin as he knows he's got help to the inside with the LB. Loyd does a good job of creating separation at the bottom.


The only thing is that the slot corner slows up on his coverage because he knows we're looking for a shallow route and he's got inside help.

Here you see the corner break off of his coverage on Boldin. Loyd had the separation for a first down and CK is getting hit right as he throws - so he couldn't hold the ball any longer.


The corner is in the perfect spot for the pick.
Remember, the guys on the other team are getting paid a lot of money too. Sometimes, players make plays and it's not something you can count on. You can't count on a guy completely abandoning his responsibility like this. I know this happened to Alex Smith a couple years ago when he threw a pick against the Giants. The "mic'd up" from that game showed Smith go to the sideline and Harbaugh asked, "did you guess on the coverage??" and Smith said, "no, he guessed". Meaning, the defender broke off his coverage and guessed on the slant route. That's what happened here. This guy "guessed" where the ball was going. - It happens to every QB from time to time. The Saints did it to Peyton Manning when they won their super bowl....

I mentioned this in the Kap thread, but I didn't like how the double slants were run here. The inside slant must be ran at a deeper depth than the outside slant. This allows the inside slant to clear out the slot CB. In this pick6, the inside slant (Boldin) ran his route shallow compared to the outside slant (Lloyd). This allows the slot CB to be in a better position to make this pick. Perhaps because it was a blitz, Boldin cut his route short.

Below is double slants in the ARI game (top of screen). Notice the inside slant (slot WR) is run at a greater depth, and it clears the area for the outside slant to work its route. Completed to the outside slant.


Also, did Kap telegraph this throw?

Originally posted by Sourball:
Why was Phillie allowed to knock Lee down? Isn't that a penalty when a punter is going thru his motion of kicking?

I think when the punt is blocked, anything goes.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Whether this was a built in "check-to" run in the play-call or an audible by CK, I don't know. Either way, it was a great call.


pre-snap, Philly shows a single safety look with the FS coming down into the box. CK pulls a false "hut"(one reason he does this so many times is to try and do what he achieves right here).


His false "hut" gets the FS to show he's backing out and the SS squares up to reveal a 2 deep safety defense.


In response, CK changes the play and motions Miller over to balance the formation.


By balancing the formation, we don't allow the defense to shift their front to anticipate a run. So, we're able to run at their weakness - which, against a 4-3 "under" look will be off tackle to the left.

Kilgore and Staley get good seal blocks and Iupati does a nice job of getting to the 2nd level. This gives Gore the "off-tackle" option. He's going to read the Tackles block and cut off the Tackles butt.

You see the seal blocks and how Gore is able to read the block and get to the outside.



It's a nice 15 yard gain. Great call against the right defense and well executed.

Snipped some pics...
Very nice breakdown and highlights how all the pre-snap shinanegans can optimize the playcall.

Originally posted by jreff22:
One more question.

How are the WR's doing in creating separation and coming back to Kap when something breaks down? A big debate when Kap gets sacked is that nobody is open. With all the new talent we brought in, is that still the case? Is he not seeing guys get open, are they not open, is the route not developed for Kap to throw.....what gives?

And going back to last years debate. Are you seeing a single anointed WR design or is everybody a viable target now?

As to the Bolded - Not sure I wanna open that whole thing up lol. But, IMO I'll break down my thoughts going back to last year and what I saw after watching all the film from last year and so far this year:

Last year: Early in the year, we saw a LOT of man-coverage with 1-2 guys on a QB "Spy". GB didn't do it the first game and got torched. After that, everyone said, "let's see if these receivers can get open". They would roll safety coverage over on Boldin as VD was hobbled for a while and didn't provide the speed threat and dared us to see if one of our other receivers could defeat man-coverage - which they could not.... As a result - we had to design a lot of plays to get our guys the ball against man coverages or "spotlight" zone coverage. "spotlight" meaning the D was taking special account of a certain player.

Once Crabs came back, we saw a lot more concepts that allowed for multiple targets. Now, we're seeing most of our plays provide multiple, viable options. Even our clearing routes are viable options at times. However, like any good offense(the Packers specifically do this a lot) we do incorporate plays designed to get athletes in space with blockers in front or for specific guys to get open.

As to the separation: On most plays, yes, we are creating separation. However, not on all plays. There were several plays this game where we weren't able to generate separation and Ck was forced to either take a sack, throw it away, or try and escape.

Sometimes though, the O-line was giving up pressure before the routes had a time to develop - that happened more than anything else.

Originally posted by Sourball:

Originally posted by thl408:
On the next play:

The Punt coverage unit. With the punt block coming right up the middle, the players to focus on are Dahl (#43), Nelson (#86), and Skuta (#51). Notice where Dahl is aligned, to the left of the formation.


Right after the snap, Nelson needs to be faster stepping to his right in order to anchor himself down versus orange. He should also understand that he has help (Dalh) behind him and feel free to fully commit himself to blocking orange. Skuta is trying to split the difference.


Orange has now beaten Nelson and Skuta has two rushers coming at him.


Skuta is overpowered by orange and blue, though not his fault.


What should have happened is Skuta takes blue 1 on 1. Nelson takes orange 1 on 1. If the defender behind orange decided to rush, that's on Dahl to pick him up. Nelson got caught trying to do too much, account for orange and the guy behind him, who never rushed.

Why was Phillie allowed to knock Lee down? Isn't that a penalty when a punter is going thru his motion of kicking?

A guy can hit the kicker all he wants if he makes contact with the ball first. It's like PI - once the ball is tipped - anything goes.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
A guy can hit the kicker all he wants if he makes contact with the ball first. It's like PI - once the ball is tipped - anything goes.

Originally posted by thl408:
I think when the punt is blocked, anything goes.

Thanks guys. Missed the beginning of the game and wasn't sure if it was an issue after seeing it from the endzone. Was kinda hoping for another scintillating week of "The refs hate us"

Here's a great design and execution of a "jet sweep". What I love about this play, was that we didn't run the normal, "jet sweep". We did it differently than just about everyone else and it worked great.


We're going to come out in an overshift set. We have our RT Martin moved over to LT and Staley as a TE and VD as our RT with CK in the pistol. This draws Philly into a 4-3 "under" set where the OLB will come up on the TE. This is what gives us the edge on this play. Because of this, your MLB - who is generally slower than your SOLB, is the widest LB on that side and your SOLB is on the LOS.


We then balance the formation by bringing Martin back over and CK goes under center. This causes the entire defense to take about 3 steps to our left. Remember how earlier in the game how we ran "off-tackle" against this same look. So, the LB's have to respect Gore and his ability to move downhill against this formation. - that's what they're going to be defending against first.


We then bring Ellington in motion right next to the TE. We do this a lot when running a power to the TE side against a safety in the box.


By shifting the TE and motioning Ellington over - 3 defenders are effectively removed from the play.


Because of the threat of the run from Gore, the LB's are a half step slow in their reaction to Ellington. Because of the "under" formation, all Miller has to do it get a seal block on the OLB and Ellington is sprung. This is much easier when the LB is on the LOS as opposed to coming from his LB spot. Great design by Roman to identify the front against our front and take advantage to get our guys a great angle on their blocks.


You see Miller doesn't have far to go to close the gap to get his block and it's a footrace now with Ellington already ahead of the LB's.


You see the hole he has to try and get through


He's got a nice lane with only 1 guy to beat once he gets through. He just gets taken down by a shoestring tackle from a diving LB. If he makes it through, could've been a TD.
Overall, it's a great design and timely call by Roman to identify what the defense is doing and how to attack it. Many people have made comments about him not making "adjustments" at halftime. This was the 1st play run after the half.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The good - Defense:
Antoine Bethea deserves Defensive player of the week honors. His performance was flat out dynamic. Yes, he caused the 2 turnovers, but it was so much more than that as well. He played on of the best games I've seen from a defensive player in quite a while. All I can say is, "WOW!" Super exciting to see. He saved the game for us on more than one occasion. He had the 2 turnovers, but also had a TD saving tackle on McCoy at the 2 yard line that gave us the set up for the goal line stand, then got pressure on Foles the very next play. He also made some great open field tackles. Overall, a fantastic, superb, I don't have enough adjectives to describe it, performance.

Watched the game again and yes, Bethea made a fantastic stop on McCoy. Biggest play of the game IMO

I admit, I haven't gone through the whole thread yet and trust me, I cannot knock the defense at all, they were absolutely lights out. But I do still worry about the secondary. We were going up against a depleted offensive line in Philly so I could see why the pressure on Foles worked this time around.

What I loved watching most about the defense is that they never game up on their assignment and watching a rookie in Lynch get it down so quickly was something to behold.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Totally agree with the bolded. I mentioned that in my "Thoughts" post.

Bethea was all over the field. Pick, forced fumble, stop of McCoy when otherwise Shady scores the go-ahead TD, a few stops for no gain, staying backside to prevent cutback.

He's not the intimidator that Whiner is...but he was simply sound in every aspect.

Yeah. He didn't get called for head shot penalties too.