NY Giants coaches film analysis

Originally posted by thl408:
Plays on First Down

#16 - Inside zone, maybe read/option. Kap fumbles the snap, picks it up, and runs for +2. The 49ers would end up moving the chains (on the play in post#197) for a new set of downs.


#17 - Inside Zone -- Gore for -1. The unblocked DE plays this fast. A poor snap causes there to be no mesh point (when the ball is in the QB's hands but is in the RB's stomach) where uncertainty in the defenders can be caused from having to wait to see who has the ball, the RB or the QB. Tough play for Miller (offset FB) as he lets two defenders by. The 49ers would have straight incompletions and punt to end the drive.


All the failed 3rd down conversions for this game are covered earlier in this thread. The failed 3rd down conversion on this drive is this play (post#137).

I think so far, the trend is the 49ers will run the ball on first down. So far, we have 17 First Down plays and there have been a total of 2 pass plays - a busted WR screen (#2) and the play where Kap checkdown to Gore (#11).

That seems pretty par for the course. I was talking to another poster earlier as to "why" this trends continues to hold true. I noted a number of theories but I'd love to hear other's take.

BTW: Huge, "Thank you!" for doing this for us all. Back in the day, we'd be able to give you "rep" points...I'd click on quite a few times for you on this one.

Plays on First Down

3Q (7th drive of the game - first drive of 2nd half)

#19 - Just when it seemed the 49ers were running the ball too much on First Down in the 1st half, they open the 2nd half with this play. I can't tell what coverage NYG is in. My guess is cover2 zone with the CB lined up over Lloyd matching him (manned up).


Playaction fake on the inside zone run, which was seen quite often in the 1st half, on First Downs.


Kap completes his dropback and sees this. Lloyd is defeated on his vertical as his CB plays over the top. and is bailing. I think Kap is looking at Vance in this picture.


Kap is mid windup targeting Vance. Is VD about to come open here? The closest defender to VD has his back to VD. The CB on Lloyd is bailing and staying with Lloyd.


Incomplete pass.


On the very next play (2nd down), the 49ers move the chains for a new set of downs with a Gore run for +11 (post#340).

#20 - Crabs' TD catch.

^^^ Nothing wrong with coming out of the gate firing and taking a shot esp. on 1st down (and when you've established consistent running on first downs). Too bad it didn't connect!

Originally posted by thl408:

Incomplete pass.

In this play, I see VD simply being ignored and Vance being doubled. I think Colin anticipated the NY Giants defense to double VD and have Vance be single covered, that's why he threw it to Vance.

I like the next play after this, in which Crabs scored a TD. I think that play can be run over and over against a defense that is overcommitting to the run defense. It can be Crabs or any of the WR's and TE's that would squaring in or posting in - and all Colin has to do is read it correctly and throw it. When he threw the Crabs TD, he basically threw it blind. I.e. way before Crabs was open.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by thl408:

These two plays illustrate O-Line errors.. The first one is an error in blocking assignments, the second one is an error in the snap. I.e. Marcus snaps it incorrectly and it is a hard snap to handle by the QB, and the result is that the play is blown up. If these can be corrected (and it can be corrected by more in game reps by the O Linemen, and more experience and practice on Marcus' part - the offense should improve. But time is running out.

Originally posted by thl408:

I think this is a case where the 49ers just ran this - one too many times (ie became predictable) If you look at Gore - he takes a step to his right, but the NY Linebackers flow and read the fullback and flow opposite of where Gore steps. The D Line slanted in because he knew how to blow up the play because he knew it was a counter power off tackle.

In hindsight, I think this would have been a great time to call the (spider Y two banana?) or where the TE fakes a power off tackle block, and runs a drag route opposite of the flow of the LB's. Since the LB"s are keyeing on the fullback, VD or Vance should be clear underneath for a good gain on the opposite side of the play. They ran a toss boot play, similar to this in the 4rth QTR that got the 49ers a 3rd down conversion on that one, but it was to Miller and not the TE.

I think this is one way to get the TE's involved. If the defense overcommits to defending the run, the TE's come into play and with a good play fake, the TE should get free for good yardage. Key is the O Line doing a good job in pass blocking after a run fake.

Originally posted by thl408:
^^

I can't wait to play AZ and that Stanton guy. I'd like to see how they can pass against this nickel with two outstanding pass rushers killing their backup QB.

Plays on First Down

8th drive of the game

#21 - Zone left. Hyde for +1
After getting the handoff, Hyde sees no daylight to run to as the NYG Dline does a good job preventing any Olineman from getting to the second level, although Boone is about to release to the second level. The three NYG LBs are clean and running free.


The edge is set nicely by the defender on VD. Still no where to run.


The 49ers would go on to move the chains for a new set of downs by converting a 3rd & 1.



#22 - Counter Right -- Gore for +5
Iupati pulls for the kickout block as Miller leads through. Gore squeezes through. I think it's a counter because of where Miller lines up. It puts the strongside as the left side of the formation.


The 49ers would end up moving the chains for a new set of downs.


#23 - Same play as #19 when they tried to hit Vance deep. Exact same formation and personnel. This time Iupati gives up inside pressure and Kap can't see Vance having a leverage advantage. I think there was a throw to be made here to Vance if Kap had time. It's not that Vance had a few steps of separation on his defender, it's that he was breaking inside while his defender had outside leverage. We've seen Kap make this throw before to VD deep down the middle as he would lead VD to the endzone.

Kap ends up scrambling from pressure and shoveling a pass to Gore as Gore nearly gets decapitated.


2nd Down: Hyde run for +4
3rd Down: post#306

Drive ends in a muffed FG attempt (poor long snap).

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:
^^

I can't wait to play AZ and that Stanton guy. I'd like to see how they can pass against this nickel with two outstanding pass rushers killing their backup QB.

A close up of the pass rush on that ^^ play (Cully INT).

Originally posted by thl408:

Man, the NY Giant's didn't buy that play fake at all. Now if I recall correctly, I think they got to the 40 here via a pass to Anquan on the previous play. If that's the case, after a successful pass by Colin & Co. they should counter any defensive adjustments by simply running their bread and butter Power runs. (again if I remember it correctly). I mean DC's aren't going to let an offense continue to do something successful over and over again. G-ro should call a run play, just to mix it up. And visa versa.

Anyway, I think the pass protection is still a problem. I don't know why, specially when they practice against Lynch, Justin, RayMac, and now Aldon almost every day. I hope they can get that pass protection shored up, because if they do, we'll see Colin's QB rating skyrocket.

I understand a lot if the film Jonny is showing is about the offense. Rightfully so since it needs a lot more work than the defense. But I was wondering since there is real strong possibility that Bowman will not be back this year can Wilhoite hold up in pass coverage ? Willis was not very stellar either in pass coverage especially in comparison to Bowman but since Wilhoite will likely man the position for Bowman is he as bad as the TD he gave up to Donnell on NYG first drive? I want to almost blame Reid for not covering the middle of the field. Do you have a breakdown of the Giant's one and only TD?

thl408, I think the 49ers are top 4 in the NFL now in turnover differential. With this pass rush, I think we have a shot at getting to the top. It's tough to run against this defense with the big horses we have in Justin, RayMac, Dorsey, Jerrod eddie and Dial. then behind them is Borland (who needs bigger pads by the way, he has had labrium surgery on both shoulders in college). Then on long yardage, in comes Aldon and Lynch. Even in base, with Aldon and Lynch as OLB's that's still formitable pressure coming from a base defensive formation.

What I'll be looking to see is just better execution in the Deadskin game. It's at home, so noise should not be a problem. If we get ahead of them, we should begin to see how formidable this pass rush really is. Just put Aldon and Lynch in a jets uniform and I can almost see the NY Sack exchange 2.0 coming back to life. If Tank can put the kind of inside pressure that Justin can do, man o man, I can see the combo of Joe Kleco (Tank) and Mark Gastinue (Aldon) again. This time in a niners team. Woah!

Plays on First Down

3Q (9th drive of the game)

#24 - Pass completed for +13
Looks like a dressed up mirroring Curl-Flat concepts to each side. The orange and blue defenders are the curl/flat zone defenders. Notice how Boldin's route stems outwawrds. This is to push the deep 1/3 defender (lined up across from Boldin) outwards. Then Boldin's Curl will break inwards.
NYG: cover3


After playaction Kap sees this while in the middle of his dropback. Not sure why VD and Vance are both on the ground. Perhaps to sell the run.


Kap hits the top of hid dropback, senses outside pressure and steps up into the pocket.


Two hitch steps later, Kap is mid windup targeting Boldin who has inside leverage for his inside breaking Curl. Orange is influenced by VD's flat route and that helps to open up a throwing lane to Boldin.


+13 yards



#25 - Counter Right -- Gore for +4
Iupati pulls and Miller comes across the formation. Gore reads Miller's block and decides to bounce the run wide to the outside.



2nd Down: Incomplete pass, deep to VD.
3rd Down: post#309

Drive ends in a punt.

Plays on First Down

10th drive of the game

#26 - Counter left -- Gore for +2
With VD lined up close to the Oline, I'll call this a counter left. Boone pulls as Miller comes across the formation.
Boone's block still allows the DL to gain penetration and that slows down Miller.




The 49ers would go on and move the chains by converting on a 3rd & 1 to get a new set of downs.


#27 - Completed pass to Miller for +5

49ers work to get a horizontal stretch at the LB level.
NYG: cover3. Although they do something very odd and switch positions when VD Curls over the middle.

I've seen the 49ers run this play before. Gore is supposed to flare out to the flat to combine two concepts together. Curl (Miller)-Flat(Gore) concept combined with All Curls concept (using two curl routes Miller and VD).


Gore starts his flare to the flat, but sees that the strongside LB is coming on a rush. Gore is seen halting his route and will pick up the blitzing LB. VD curls his route.


Miller curls his route as Kap is mid windup.


Iupati gives up pressure, but Kap gets rid of the ball on rhythm.



2nd Down: Hyde run +1
3rd Down (post#328)

The drive ends in a punt.