NY Giants coaches film analysis

I'm not done watching the game, but I wanted to show this play. Sorry gentlemen, but it's a play that won't make anyone happy. It's a good read/throw by Kap as well as a good playcall/design.

For 49AlltheTime: The play before this was the SJ holding call on the VD run.

49ers: SJ + Crabs are running the 'Sucker concept'. SJ's curl is designed to draw up the orange defender while Crabs attacks the area behind. Should the orange defender sag and gain depth to cover Crabs, SJ is open. It's a vertical stretch on the orange defender and works against cover3 or cover2.
NYG: tampa2


Notice the MLB gaining depth (the defender on the 23 yard line). It's tampa2. Sj has curled his route and the orange defender sticks to SJ. Crabs is about to enter his cut.


Kap is mid windup. Crabs is not yet open, but Kap knows he will be once he breaks behind the orange defender. The window will be there.


Crabs just caught the ball.


+12 yards. This is one of the areas I'd like to see Kap improve on and show more consistency. Throwing into open areas of zone coverage because he understands what is about to become open based on the routes being run versus the coverage he is seeing.

I don't think the issue is Kap's leadership at all...poor game planing and making adjustment have been the reason for a couple losses in my opinion. Roger's has never been known as a leader either.

Kap threw some very inaccurate balls on Sunday and play calling in the red zone (again) has been the issue....I am glad they have realized that the line is built for running the ball and when gore gets 20 touches they usually win.

^^^ Manning IS his own OC. I'm safely assuming that was one of the reasons he didn't want to come here. B/c he'd want full control of HIS offense...not this hodge podge offense under HaRoman control.

thl it's entirely possible for them to be out there. we just need consistency from everyone and i believe it starts at the top. and i will continue to say rhythm until someone hears me. when kap is in the zone...the play calls are great calls in rhythm and he looks like he could be tops in the league we just don't do that nearly enough and that's coaching among other things. it needs to stop becoming kap can't do this or that, it's a load of crap he can do anything they ask. and it's not completely the coaches are dumb.. they're not. somehow the coaches need to convey to the offense what's going to happen, do you know if we script plays? it seemed like in the 2 games i mentioned, well we can even go to the packers 1st quarter and the panthers 1st quarter where it was clear they had a plan and we executed it (to feature boldin then crab then boldin again) and it worked like a charm.. do you see that we're doing that or are we winging it?

Originally posted by NCommand:
^^^ Manning IS his own OC. I'm safely assuming that was one of the reasons he didn't want to come here. B/c he'd want full control of HIS offense...not this hodge podge offense under HaRoman control.

agree. He wants to run his own offense, not the HaRoMan offense.

Originally posted by thl408:

I'm not done watching the game, but I wanted to show this play. Sorry gentlemen, but it's a play that won't make anyone happy. It's a good read/throw by Kap as well as a good playcall/design.

For 49AlltheTime: The play before this was the SJ holding call on the VD run.

49ers: SJ + Crabs are running the 'Sucker concept'. SJ's curl is designed to draw up the orange defender while Crabs attacks the area behind. Should the orange defender sag and gain depth to cover Crabs, SJ is open. It's a vertical stretch on the orange defender and works against cover3 or cover2.
NYG: tampa2


Notice the MLB gaining depth (the defender on the 23 yard line). It's tampa2. Sj has curled his route and the orange defender sticks to SJ. Crabs is about to enter his cut.


Kap is mid windup. Crabs is not yet open, but Kap knows he will be once he breaks behind the orange defender. The window will be there.


Crabs just caught the ball.


+12 yards. This is one of the areas I'd like to see Kap improve on and show more consistency. Throwing into open areas of zone coverage because he understands what is about to become open based on the routes being run versus the coverage he is seeing.

I really like the design of this play and I love how kap worked it. There are three legit target on the sucker concept side (post, curl & flat). My question is did we comeback to this play at any other time in the game.

Very nice, rope throw by kap.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I had to stop reading. I respect the work you and thl do here but there is a very obvious bias and agenda here to be taken too seriously at this juncture.

Riiight, just because we don't grab a pitchfork to join your "fire Roman" mob, we have a bias and an agenda. If you missed it, just above I said that there was a play, and I have already seen more plays, where I don't like the play design/call. This isn't the first, nor the last time that I have called out the coaches. I don't fully agree that it's all on Kap either, but that doesn't mean jonnydel has a bias. If anything he is one of the most objective posters on this forum. You know what's bias? Seeing the punt coverage unit take the field and bumping the Fire Roman thread. Hang on NC, you will get to see cut ups that will make you wett as I put the coaches on blast. It will come in due time.

I should not have tied you into that comment but fans see you both, as one. I know you've worked very hard on branching out and looking not at just the end results, but context and big picture and association of events that lead to a fail or success of such still shots/gifs. I respect that. You know that.

And nobody was out with a pitch fork after year 1...a few after the Superbowl, a few put theirs down d/t the WR personnel excuse but now, the pitch forks are out in full force for a reason. It's been 4 years now, under 2 different QB's, with incredible talent on offense and WE'VE REGRESSED.

So yes, forgive the fans who see CK, the WR's, the OL in pass protection, mental lapses, concentration issues, perpectual patterns as the end result of a piss poor offensive philosophy, poor coaching and lack of attention to detail, little to no accountability, etc.

Some would have you believe that if you put Peyton Manning in this offense, we'd suddenly be a top 5 offense. Fine. That's great. Some fans here would say if you put Manning in this offense, he'd be physically carted off on a stretcher afte week 2 (meaning CK makes this offense even move forward).

But if you're going to claim objectivity, you need to show it. I know even the biggest anti-HaRoman fans will at least admit when CK effs up, a RB failed in pass protection, the OL struggled, bone-headed penalties, TO's, etc, cost us.

Some of the posts in here have tried to balance this out with context but, ironically, have been completely ignored.

How about we start with every first down play given that we're still 30th in the league on first down production puting our entire offense against the 8-ball on 2nd and 3rd downs.

It's like jonnydel and I are being shamed because we don't blast the coaches enough. Yet when we say over and over that it is a collective fail from everyone on offense, it falls on deaf ears. When we show a player fail, feel free to expand and tell us why the position coach did a poor job. Why can't Boone and Iupati pick up stunts? Why can't VD and Crabs catch the ball? Blame the appropriate coach. If you want to make it convenient and blame the OC, go a couple steps further and blame the guy that hired the guy that brought on this coaching staff.

How about you buy NFL Rewind and show me what I fail to show.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
My agenda only came from the frustration with our offense. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what's happening on each play, but, like people say all the time.

It's a QB driven league and, in the end, that comes down to your QB.

3rd down is the money down - where QB's make their money - CK was awful on 3rd down in that game.

Well there are many that don't fully subscribe to that...it's an offensive system league. If you can build an effecient and consistent offensive system, defense and ST can mostly help win Championships. QB-centric offenses like the Giants, former Colts, Packers, Pats, Broncos, etc. tend to flame out when it matters. Also, a QB-centric offense typically means the teams $ is tied up in that QB which often times means you'll suffer in other critical areas as well.

So to me, it's still a team sport. The NFL has TRIED to make it a "pass happy league" for entertainment purposes but unfortunately for them, teams like Ravens, Niners and Hawks have dominated instead.

Sorry, I digress...back to your analysis.

What we need here is someone that cuts up the s**ttiest 49er plays and playcalls to satisfy that crowd. I aint' got time fo that.

Originally posted by thl408:

I actually saw this concept run in the 2nd half when Crabs scored the lone TD by Colin. But it was run to the other side. It takes advantage of the defense loading up on the run and playing zone if it's a pass. This is going to be a hard concept to defend if our run continues to be consistently good.

Maybe, a lot of the inconsistencies is simply HaRoman trying to figure out what works and what doesn't these past few weeks. What I will say, is on that TD throw to Crabs, Colin was at his best. It was a rifle throw to Crabs and darn accurate, and Crabs caught it in stride for a TD.

The unfortunate thing is that this is between the 20's where we've been decent. Hopefully our resident film experts will show us the redzone breakdowns. I know the first redzone breakdown (Gore fumble) was on Gore, Colin, and possibly Marcus. Gore was supposed to take a strong move to his right, and instead he went forward more than right and got his feet tangled with Colin.

You know its bad when film breakdown is ripped apart because it not conforming to the narrative some people are trying to perpetuate.

I think people are ripping Jonnydel and thl408 too much here. Jonnydel in particular said that Kap is 2 steps forward, 1 step back (and this was an example of a 1 step back game). I think this is a worthwhile point. On the TV film, it looked like Kap was a step off on several throws. To conclude this means he's awful (the haters), or that it must be the coaches faults (the sunny apologists) seems reactionary by either side.

Kap is still developing, as Jonnydel pointed out, and he thinks some of it is on the leadership side. He cited Patrick Willis as someone who was individually talented but took a while to learn how to lead. The same is true of Kaepernick. He's a very hard worker, is exceptionally gifted, and is still learning, but I could see the argument that he's still developing as a leader on the offense. He does seem very careful not to step on toes, and some of that relates to how he basically took Alex Smith's job because he was better. He is a team guy, and that gives me hope he'll further develop as a leader as time goes on.

Time, gentlemen - this is going to take time. This isn't a Madden game where you can play one season and progress the player from a 78 to a 95 rating. Also, despite Kap's growth curve, we can still compete for and win a SB.

Originally posted by Jcool:
You know its bad when film breakdown is ripped apart because it not conforming to the narrative some people are trying to perpetuate.

Lol what narrative? No one is arguing our offense sucks, now its just debating whether its the chicken or the egg with plenty of evidence on both sides.

Lol, these coaches film threads never criticize Roman or Harbaugh. Always the players and their lack of execution within this feces of a system. Just because the players are struggling in this system doesn't make it any less made out of feces.

Give any other OC and HC this offense and the results will look 100% different.

4 years now going but yeah it's Kap or the O-line or VD or Crabtree.

Please show Chris Borland plays so we can all smile! Love that play when he hit the Guard into the ball carrier!