Oakland Raiders coaches Film analysis

I wait all week for this thread, but on an empty stomach this one is killing me....
Thanks Obama.... you promised me hope

Originally posted by thl408:
There were a few plays in this game where he was looking at the route that was going to be open, but was hesitant in pulling the trigger. It's not that he has never made that throw before, but that he's unsure of it now. I can't help but think that a big factor in his regression over the past few games is due to lack of confidence from how the offense just hasn't been getting it done for the myriad of reasons.

I have said in previous weeks that Kap's game has improved from last season, but as of now, I can't say that anymore

Thanks for pointing this out.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well..... that sucked - once again.

One of the more frustrating games to watch. Mainly, because we were playing against a team that should never have been in the fight and we made it look like they were a playoff contender.

From an offensive standpoint - there's quite a few things that should make us concerned overall.

1. Both Martin's look overmatched against NFL opponents. This is an indictment straight against Baalke. None of the lineman he has aquired have been solid in pass pro. Kilgore was the closest and he was inconsistent at best. Marcus Martin got bull rushed all night long - even against a LB. There was one play where a LB bull rushed Martin right up the middle into Kap - that should not happen....ever....
2. They tried to simplify the passing game - and it still struggled. This is perhaps the strongest indictment against Kap. They tried to get him into a rhythm and simplify the reads and throws from him after the early pick. On the TD drive - almost all the throws were designed throws to that receiver. When it's like that, Kap threw on time and hit the receiver well. But, any plays they dialed up that required full field reads - he was slow in his reads at best and terrible in his reads at worst.
3. We showed very little fight throughout most of the game. It seemed like - unless it was within 2 minutes, there was no urgency or fight from our guys.

Overall, a very poor game and I don't have full time to launch into everything right now - there is a lot to discuss and we'll try to get to it when we can.

THIS, all of this is exactly what I've been trying to say this entire time.

I've been joking around about our HOF Rookie Center but on the real centers don't get enough credit for being the OL manager.
Losing Killgore was a major blow.

Dead nutz on Kap he's at the point where he isn't trusting what he sees. Hurrying and quick to make big plays instead of taking what the D is giving. He was at his best when it was one read then run. Now I think he's over thinking and trying to do too much.

Originally posted by SoCold:

THIS, all of this is exactly what I've been trying to say this entire time.

I've been joking around about our HOF Rookie Center but on the real centers don't get enough credit for being the OL manager.
Losing Killgore was a major blow.

Dead nutz on Kap he's at the point where he isn't trusting what he sees. Hurrying and quick to make big plays instead of taking what the D is giving. He was at his best when it was one read then run. Now I think he's over thinking and trying to do too much.

I think that the inconsistency of the OL due to injuries and holdouts is the main culprit for the downward spiral of the offense. We can argue about what our offense was and wasn't but at its core it was a 24-25 ppg unit that produced 330-350 ypg give or take. When our OL has deteriorated from an unquestioned strength to a liability it has resulted in a area that is mediocre in run and downright bad in pass pro. It's ashame we really are never gonna know what this group of offensive players could have done when entirely heathy.

Originally posted by Jd925:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

2. They tried to simplify the passing game - and it still struggled. This is perhaps the strongest indictment against Kap. They tried to get him into a rhythm and simplify the reads and throws from him after the early pick. On the TD drive - almost all the throws were designed throws to that receiver. When it's like that, Kap threw on time and hit the receiver well. But, any plays they dialed up that required full field reads - he was slow in his reads at best and terrible in his reads at worst.

Lol. And what makes you think the HaRoman pass offense was ever complex?

How often do you see Kap scan the entire field other than on broken plays in the past? What about in his half of 2012 and in 2013...what about your QB Alex Smith in 2011 and half of 2012? Did Smith scan the field on most of his plays when he was a starter? How sure are you about the comment 'plays they dialed up up that required full field reads'?

Easy buddy


Full field read plays require looking at the entire design of the play and seeing what's being called. And yes, I saw that quite a bit when I looked at the film from when Alex was here. The difference when Alex was here, was that most teams were playing man-coverage against us and none of our receivers could beat a 1-1 coverage.

Now - to your "how often do you see Kap scan the entire field". Scanning the entire field and full field reads begin before the ball is ever snapped. It's looking at the pre-snap alignment and defense, seeing what they're most likely going to be in and then the next possible defenses and then using your post snap-read to double check the defense hasn't rotated into a different defense. You look at the defenders - not your own players.

What I've seen this far from our offense this season was incorporated much more full field reads to try and utilize all the weapons we have on the field. However, at this point, it's been too much for Kap to do and so in this game, there were far less a percentage of those plays called. They were trying to give him half field reads more and designed plays to make it easier for him. When he was given full field reads, he's often slow in his progression. I'll show several plays where he did end up getting to the right read - it was just late.

Originally posted by Jd925:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jd925:
I think this is another one read.

Primary was Boldin on the corner route, but LB blitzed and so Kap had to roll all the way out.. never intended to throw to Crabs.. again no post snap reads.. Just find a way to hit the primary. Good toss though.

Smash is not a one read play/concept. its a vertical stretch plays that's either the curl or the Corner. You are playing off the db guarding the curl. If he targets the curl you take the corner, he drifts toward the corner route you take the curl.

My contention is the play is a pre-snap zone read to hit a corner route on a single high safety. There are no post-snap reads.
He get's a post-snap blitz and Kap sticks with his primary read (as he's taught)... this one was unusual how he had to force his primary read.. but he still almost made a great play.

Note: I understand the concept, and the route designs could work with progressions, but my contention is he's taught to make a read pre-snap and stick with it... all these plays are like that.. just because there are routes run, doesn't mean any of them are real options or that there are progressions.. they're only route combos such that decoys try to draw defenders ... other than that the primary read is gonna get it...

The problem with your contention is that it flies in the face of any logic or quantifiable backing. You're stating that our coaching staff has decided to implement long standing concepts and plays with progressions but then teach our QB to ignore reads and the last 30 years of the game of football and just force it in to one receiver - no matter the defense..... There is not a coaching staff in the pro's or college that would do such a thing.

You're saying that Jim Harbaugh looked at what Bill Walsh did and went, "no....I'm not gonna use the same progressions....I'll stick with one - that'll do it".

To make such a contention is to ignore the evidence and put so much faith(or defense) in Kaepernick that every reasoning that could excuse him is used. While we may not be in the meeting rooms, I can guarantee that he is not being taught to ignore the progressions. When someone pulls from Bill Walsh's playbook - they don't rewrite the script.

we showed very little toughness.

Thank you johnny for this thread. Just want to mention on your opening analysis that m martin is/could be the youngest player in nfl. Coming off an injury.

Also what do you think about play selection on offense. No rb pass primary plays a problem? Alzo sacks. How many kapz fault? Thank you.

Great post as always man!

Here's something that breaks it down on the offense that I thought was an EXCELLENT article. Also - it's very short.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/12/09/whats-wrong-with-the-49ers-offense-part-one/

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Great post as always man!

Here's something that breaks it down on the offense that I thought was an EXCELLENT article. Also - it's very short.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/12/09/whats-wrong-with-the-49ers-offense-part-one/

"Conclusion: Kaepernick is skittish in the pocket, but for good reason. He simply is not getting enough time to operate. The 49ers like to run clearing routes for a short or intermediate pass underneath, but there's no time for those plays to develop. 49ers receivers also had difficulty fighting off press coverage, and Kaepernick rarely went to a second or third read. At the end of the half, the 49ers found some yards with the match up between Stevie Johnson and Seattle rookie cornerback Tharold Simon. "

Whatttttt????? This makes too much sense, but if Keap's not the problem?????

Good Qb's make plays even with bad oline. they may not always win, but they make plays. KAP DOES NOT.

Originally posted by tondiman:
Good Qb's make plays even with bad oline. they may not always win, but they make plays. KAP DOES NOT.

NO QB's make plays when defensemen are putting hands on them one and a half seconds after the snap. Arron Rodgers didn't do so well when Smith and Smith were beating the living daylights out of him every snap.

Brady self destructs when he has less than 2 seconds to throw. And that's low end. if he plays all game with pressure, the guy self destructs.


The ONLY QB's I've ever seen be able to cope with crap protection are Young, Cunningham, and Favre. All of them run, all of them can throw long, all of them needed an effective coordinator to thrive.

Originally posted by tondiman:
Good Qb's make plays even with bad oline. they may not always win, but they make plays. KAP DOES NOT.

Just like Peyton Manning did in the Superbowl................oh wait............

Here's a missed opportunity in the game. This is what I'm talking about when I say that Kap's just a little slow in his reads.


Here, we start out in 22 Personnel. We motion VD over to the bottom.


It looks like Kap is trying to ask Miller to chip block - that's what I'd assume considering how the play is drawn up.


We then motion VM over to the top of the screen.


From here, we're going to run almost the same play the first INT came on - just out of a different formation and this time, we give a little better zone help on the backside.


Our play action fake does bring a couple guys up.


It looks like Oakland was focused on trying to take Boldin out of the passing game. You see the LB and Woodson close on Boldin's curl route. Oakland plays the concept side well. What CK needs to to here is move through this progression very quickly. You see the concept side is well covered - why? Because your two middle defenders are covering Boldin - that means the middle of the field will be open - you have an intermediate middle route on the backside.

You see Kap's not under immediate pressure, he's got an open VD - but he doesn't get to that read quick enough.


'From the endzone view you could see he was looking at VD's route - but he pulls down his throw - probably because it was coming a little late(I still think he could've gotten it in but I think he was scared of throwing another pick to the safety). He got to the right read, just too slow. He has to get through those reads faster. This is what Steve Young talked about when he said that these reads and knowing where to go on every play against every defense until it's reflexive. It's not reflexive yet, he's still digesting everything as it's happening and looking more at his receivers than the defenders.


After he pulls it down he gets sacked for 3 yards. Could've had a first down and move the ball, but instead....This is a sack that's on CK.

Originally posted by Niners816:
I think that the inconsistency of the OL due to injuries and holdouts is the main culprit for the downward spiral of the offense. We can argue about what our offense was and wasn't but at its core it was a 24-25 ppg unit that produced 330-350 ypg give or take. When our OL has deteriorated from an unquestioned strength to a liability it has resulted in a area that is mediocre in run and downright bad in pass pro. It's ashame we really are never gonna know what this group of offensive players could have done when entirely heathy.

I don't think we have a choice but to buck our preference of building thru the draft. Fastest way to right the ship is to sign some veteran free agents to step in on the OL in the offseason. It's almost become priority #1 in my book.

Heck, I had OL envy looking at the Raiders last week. Did you see all the protection they gave Carr?