Are we allowed to keep Vic Fangio?

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Barrows just said fangio is under contract with the 9ers.
He also said harbaugh will need fangio cause without him his stay here in SF would have been completely different. And not in a good way.
If I'm the niners thats who I break the bank for. Fangio deserves to be paid like a head coach. IMO, fangio staying here is so important if i were jed I would do whatever it takes to retain him. he is very important. The 9ers need to break the bank for him.

If Harbaugh goes to another NFL team, Fangio isn't coming with him, but I do expect that Donatell likely would.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
technically, the assistant coaches are on individual contracts - like the head coach. So, they're not tied to a particular head coach, but the team. Generally though, when a new coach comes in, he wants to hire "his" people - that doesn't necessarily mean a change, but that he was the one who made a decision for them to be part of his staff, not an inherited staff. So, when a new coach comes in, if he already has guys who he's going to bring in on his staff, he'll let whatever coaches who are in those positions go. The rest, he'll evaluate and basically give a working interview while searching other candidates and, if he finds that he and that coach are a good fit and the coach is what he's looking for, he'll keep them.

Think of Jim Tomsula from Nolan-Singletary-Harbaugh.

I think any outside head coach would be foolish to mess with the defense. If they can keep as much of that staff intact on that side, that would be awesome. The offensive side, they can blow that mug all the way up though.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
to be only offered/keep a DC position is a slap in the face to Fangio..The only way he stays is a HC job...unless we hire a big name long in the game HC..which im uneasy with since they have fallen off in the years gone by

Exactly how is it a slap in the face? He has had a shaky career at best up until this point as a coach. He's had some great years...and he's had some really bad ones, he ended up costing Mora his job in Indy. He was relegated to being a defensive assistant before Harbaugh hired him at Stanford.


If he stays with the 49ers, he has a steady gig with a very talented roster. Nobody owes him a head coaching position.


Pittsburgh went from Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin without giving Dick LeBeau the time of day pretty much, and that was AFTER they won the Superbowl.....he's still with the team even though Tomlin is literally like half his age.

Lebeau was too old jump into a HC position..and probably turned it down

to hire an unknown/New for HC is a slap in the face when Fangio can run the show himself

i don't see why he would go to back college if harbaugh goes to Michigan when hes had so much success in the NFL. I would be shocked if harbaugh goes back to college too, i know he porbably likes it more in college but he seems like the guy who doesn't want to look like a failure in the NFL

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Lebeau was too old jump into a HC position..and probably turned it down

to hire an unknown/New for HC is a slap in the face when Fangio can run the show himself

So you don't know eitherway, but you are admitting that there is precedent for this, right?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Lebeau was too old jump into a HC position..and probably turned it down

to hire an unknown/New for HC is a slap in the face when Fangio can run the show himself

So you don't know eitherway, but you are admitting that there is precedent for this, right?

also what about monte kiffin being overlooked by tampa as they traded a boat load for gruden?

Originally posted by crabman82:
also what about monte kiffin being overlooked by tampa as they traded a boat load for gruden?

This too. Nothing is owed to Fangio, he's done a very good job, but he's also been lucky enough to be in a very good situation with a lot of tremendous talent on this roster. If you don't think that talent matters, look no further than Todd Bowles, he was HATED as the defensive coordinator of the Eagles but now looks like the smartest guy in the room as the DC for a much more talented Cardinals defense.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
technically, the assistant coaches are on individual contracts - like the head coach. So, they're not tied to a particular head coach, but the team. Generally though, when a new coach comes in, he wants to hire "his" people - that doesn't necessarily mean a change, but that he was the one who made a decision for them to be part of his staff, not an inherited staff. So, when a new coach comes in, if he already has guys who he's going to bring in on his staff, he'll let whatever coaches who are in those positions go. The rest, he'll evaluate and basically give a working interview while searching other candidates and, if he finds that he and that coach are a good fit and the coach is what he's looking for, he'll keep them.

Think of Jim Tomsula from Nolan-Singletary-Harbaugh.

I think any outside head coach would be foolish to mess with the defense. If they can keep as much of that staff intact on that side, that would be awesome. The offensive side, they can blow that mug all the way up though.

If the new coach stays out of Fnagio's hair, I think Fangio stays. This is what Harbaugh did as I can imagine Harbaugh asking Vic, "So what's the defensive plan this week?" Sounds good, see you Sunday". Fangio stated such in an interview that the two spoke only occasionally. If the new coach wants to have anything close to significant input on the defensive game plan, that will have Vic looking for the exit sign.

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Fangio interview:
-Q: Let's talk about your relationship with Harbaugh from that year at Stanford to now… Has that evolved over time or is it pretty much the same as it was from the start?

-FANGIO: It's pretty much the same. Obviously now, this is our fourth year together, not our first, and we really didn't know each other other than very casually prior to me going to Stanford. So I had to learn what Jim's about, he had to learn what I'm about.

But the one thing that's never been in question between us, is we both have the same common goal and that's to win football games.

Obviously my job is to play great defense, the best we can, and he knows that, respects that. And he does everything he can to help us do that.

He's entrusted me with it, right from Day 1, and I appreciate that. He focuses all his time on the team and on the offense and leaves the defense to myself and the rest of the defensive coaches. And it's worked out good to this point.


http://blogs-dev.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/08/03/49ers-dc-vic-fangio-i-dont-view-my-job-as-a-cheerleader-i-dont-view-my-job-as-a-best-friend-chest-bumping-buddy/

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

This too. Nothing is owed to Fangio, he's done a very good job, but he's also been lucky enough to be in a very good situation with a lot of tremendous talent on this roster. If you don't think that talent matters, look no further than Todd Bowles, he was HATED as the defensive coordinator of the Eagles but now looks like the smartest guy in the room as the DC for a much more talented Cardinals defense.

Very good point.

Thanks for the responses. It has to be the first thread that i ever started without a sarcastic comment
Having said that, bring back Holmgren & keep Fangio as DC, make Rathman OC and who will be our ST coach?

Originally posted by Chico:
make Rathman OC

Why? What could make you possibly think that he would ever be a good OC? Because he's been around forever? Being experienced and having good football knowledge doesnt mean you have the skills to call games. A lot of the best coordinators are goofy, nerdy guys who barely ever played the game but they have the right mindset, are good at strategy, and know how to plan ahead and adjust.


Its the difference between being really good at chess and just simply knowing the rules of the game.

I dont see Rathman being anymore qualified to be an OC than Singletary is to be a DC. He's been a RB coach for almost 2 decades now for a reason. He's a good positional coach but probably not coordinator or head coach material.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
i don't see why he would go to back college if harbaugh goes to Michigan when hes had so much success in the NFL. I would be shocked if harbaugh goes back to college too, i know he porbably likes it more in college but he seems like the guy who doesn't want to look like a failure in the NFL

I have been wondering that as well. Would Harbaugh make a permanent switch back to college without ever having coached a superbowl champion? Maybe a temporary switch for a few years but permanent? Who knows. You would think that he would want to get a ring as a coach.

I just wish the 49ers would resign Harbaugh.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Chico:
make Rathman OC

Why? What could make you possibly think that he would ever be a good OC? Because he's been around forever? Being experienced and having good football knowledge doesnt mean you have the skills to call games. A lot of the best coordinators are goofy, nerdy guys who barely ever played the game but they have the right mindset, are good at strategy, and know how to plan ahead and adjust.


Its the difference between being really good at chess and just simply knowing the rules of the game.

I dont see Rathman being anymore qualified to be an OC than Singletary is to be a DC. He's been a RB coach for almost 2 decades now for a reason. He's a good positional coach but probably not coordinator or head coach material.

You never know until he tries it. I'm sure the same was said about Bruce Arians. Besides, with Holmgren being our HC, he can overlook everything to make sure it goes right before cutting Rathman loose.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Barrows just said fangio is under contract with the 9ers.
He also said harbaugh will need fangio cause without him his stay here in SF would have been completely different. And not in a good way.
If I'm the niners thats who I break the bank for. Fangio deserves to be paid like a head coach. IMO, fangio staying here is so important if i were jed I would do whatever it takes to retain him. he is very important. The 9ers need to break the bank for him.

We need him to be our "Dick LeBeau."

Originally posted by Chico:
You never know until he tries it. I'm sure the same was said about Bruce Arians. Besides, with Holmgren being our HC, he can overlook everything to make sure it goes right before cutting Rathman loose.

Arians became a head coach at Temple after about a decade of coaching. Rathman has been an RB coach since the mid 90s. Either he doesnt want to go anywhere beyond a RB coach or nobody ever thought he was capable of handling the role....eitherway it amounts to the same difference.


Either find an experienced OC like a Trestman or Morhinweg or find a promising young assistant on a very good offensive staff. No more high school guys, no more promoting guys just because they happen to be there(Hostler, Rathman, Chryst) and make it someone with a fairly large degree of autonomy. Harbaugh can focus on being the team motivator, leader and mascot all in one.