Are we allowed to keep Vic Fangio?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
grasping ?

you believe he doesnt want to be a HC, but there is no real reason to stay a DC when his new boss doesn't have any HC e xperience..even Fangio served as a HC assistant

The point is regardless of who the eventual head coach is, his role is defined. If he can't deal with that, then resign and go work in college.

probably follow JH

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
probably follow JH

Only if Harbaugh decides to go coach in college again, and if Fangio decides he'd rather be a defensive coordinator for a college team than an NFL team, more power to him. He's a good defensive coordinator but not irreplaceable.

We should hire Vic as the head coach and get Norv Turner back as OC, if he's willing. He knows how to train young Qb's and our current offensive linemen are the kind that fit his system well.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Barrows just said fangio is under contract with the 9ers.
He also said harbaugh will need fangio cause without him his stay here in SF would have been completely different. And not in a good way.
If I'm the niners thats who I break the bank for. Fangio deserves to be paid like a head coach. IMO, fangio staying here is so important if i were jed I would do whatever it takes to retain him. he is very important. The 9ers need to break the bank for him.

He is already one of the highest paid DC in the league...also just throwing it out there in all of his past DC jobs in the NFL (NC, INDY, and Houston) his defenses got worse every year and by the team he moved on from each team they were near the bottom of the league. He has been great in SF, but just wanted to throw that out there

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
to be only offered/keep a DC position is a slap in the face to Fangio..The only way he stays is a HC job...unless we hire a big name long in the game HC..which im uneasy with since they have fallen off in the years gone by

Exactly how is it a slap in the face? He has had a shaky career at best up until this point as a coach. He's had some great years...and he's had some really bad ones, he ended up costing Mora his job in Indy. He was relegated to being a defensive assistant before Harbaugh hired him at Stanford.


If he stays with the 49ers, he has a steady gig with a very talented roster. Nobody owes him a head coaching position.


Pittsburgh went from Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin without giving Dick LeBeau the time of day pretty much, and that was AFTER they won the Superbowl.....he's still with the team even though Tomlin is literally like half his age.

Lebeau was too old jump into a HC position..and probably turned it down

to hire an unknown/New for HC is a slap in the face when Fangio can run the show himself

Vic has been coaching for 35 years and has never been offered a HC job...sometimes some people are better suited as coordinators not a HC.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Barrows just said fangio is under contract with the 9ers.
He also said harbaugh will need fangio cause without him his stay here in SF would have been completely different. And not in a good way.
If I'm the niners thats who I break the bank for. Fangio deserves to be paid like a head coach. IMO, fangio staying here is so important if i were jed I would do whatever it takes to retain him. he is very important. The 9ers need to break the bank for him.

He is already one of the highest paid DC in the league...also just throwing it out there in all of his past DC jobs in the NFL (NC, INDY, and Houston) his defenses got worse every year and by the team he moved on from each team they were near the bottom of the league. He has been great in SF, but just wanted to throw that out there

Been discussed before. They didn't reload for him through the draft in those subsequent years. Especially in Indy, They had just drafted Peyton Manning and Polian wanted offensive weapons for Manning. Fangio took the blame. Jim Mora knew better, stuck by Fangio and got fired for it. Ironic there's another Jim in the same situation on our team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He is already one of the highest paid DC in the league...also just throwing it out there in all of his past DC jobs in the NFL (NC, INDY, and Houston) his defenses got worse every year and by the team he moved on from each team they were near the bottom of the league. He has been great in SF, but just wanted to throw that out there

He's been very good and he's been very bad throughout his career as a coach, nothing to suggest he absolutely undeniably deserves to be an NFL head coach.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Been discussed before. They didn't reload for him through the draft in those subsequent years. Especially in Indy, They had just drafted Peyton Manning and Polian wanted offensive weapons for Manning. Fangio took the blame. Jim Mora knew better, stuck by Fangio and got fired for it. Ironic there's another Jim in the same situation on our team.

Which is the same point I made earlier, Fangio is a good defensive coordinator but he stepped into a pretty much perfect situation with a highly talented team. Without this sort of talent, he didn't look nearly quite so hot. Just like Bowles is seen as the top defensive coordinator with the Cards but damn near had to join the witness protection program while he was with the Iggles.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Barrows just said fangio is under contract with the 9ers.
He also said harbaugh will need fangio cause without him his stay here in SF would have been completely different. And not in a good way.
If I'm the niners thats who I break the bank for. Fangio deserves to be paid like a head coach. IMO, fangio staying here is so important if i were jed I would do whatever it takes to retain him. he is very important. The 9ers need to break the bank for him.

He is already one of the highest paid DC in the league...also just throwing it out there in all of his past DC jobs in the NFL (NC, INDY, and Houston) his defenses got worse every year and by the team he moved on from each team they were near the bottom of the league. He has been great in SF, but just wanted to throw that out there

Been discussed before. They didn't reload for him through the draft in those subsequent years. Especially in Indy, They had just drafted Peyton Manning and Polian wanted offensive weapons for Manning. Fangio took the blame. Jim Mora knew better, stuck by Fangio and got fired for it. Ironic there's another Jim in the same situation on our team.

Right and the same thing happened in NC and Houston? I think Vic is smart enough to realize we have a GM that has drafted well on the defensive side and we have a bunch of good young players (won't be losing his DC job in SF). He is a good DC no doubt, but people need to relax on wanting to make him the HC and SF needs to break the bank for him.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He is already one of the highest paid DC in the league...also just throwing it out there in all of his past DC jobs in the NFL (NC, INDY, and Houston) his defenses got worse every year and by the team he moved on from each team they were near the bottom of the league. He has been great in SF, but just wanted to throw that out there

He's been very good and he's been very bad throughout his career as a coach, nothing to suggest he absolutely undeniably deserves to be an NFL head coach.

Agreed

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and the same thing happened in NC and Houston? I think Vic is smart enough to realize we have a GM that has drafted well on the defensive side and we have a bunch of good young players (won't be losing his DC job in SF). He is a good DC no doubt, but people need to relax on wanting to make him the HC and SF needs to break the bank for him.

He should be the highest paid DC in the league and hopefully whoever ends up replacing Harbaugh is bright enough to know to just leave Fangio alone, let him run his defense as he's done for the past few years. If it ain't broke, don't go reaching for the power tools to try and fix it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and the same thing happened in NC and Houston? I think Vic is smart enough to realize we have a GM that has drafted well on the defensive side and we have a bunch of good young players (won't be losing his DC job in SF). He is a good DC no doubt, but people need to relax on wanting to make him the HC and SF needs to break the bank for him.

Same thing happened in NC-assumed you're talking about the Panthers. They were an expansion team back in 1995, that took some good but aging guys through the expansion draft. Both on offense and defense. After a year or two, they got old fast. They had to reload, offense took priority over defense. I'm not sure about Houston. I didn't follow Houston that closely.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Which is the same point I made earlier, Fangio is a good defensive coordinator but he stepped into a pretty much perfect situation with a highly talented team. Without this sort of talent, he didn't look nearly quite so hot. Just like Bowles is seen as the top defensive coordinator with the Cards but damn near had to join the witness protection program while he was with the Iggles.

I'm not hot on Fangio being a HC either. I don't think he has the administrative side to be one.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Same thing happened in NC-assumed you're talking about the Panthers. They were an expansion team back in 1995, that took some good but aging guys through the expansion draft. After a year or two, they got old fast. I'm not sure about Houston. I didn't follow Houston that closely.

I'm not hot on Fangio being a HC either. I don't think he has the administrative side to be one.

I don't either. I do think that if they bring in a new HC, someone who will let Fangio continue business as usual, that the 49ers should make a strong extension offer to him like the Cards with Bowles, giving him a deal running through 2017, 2018, big money, let him be set long term here.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Same thing happened in NC-assumed you're talking about the Panthers. They were an expansion team back in 1995, that took some good but aging guys through the expansion draft. After a year or two, they got old fast. I'm not sure about Houston. I didn't follow Houston that closely.

I'm not hot on Fangio being a HC either. I don't think he has the administrative side to be one.

I don't either. I do think that if they bring in a new HC, someone who will let Fangio continue business as usual, that the 49ers should make a strong extension offer to him like the Cards with Bowles, giving him a deal running through 2017, 2018, big money, let him be set long term here.

I think Fangio and the defensive staff have been doing a helluva job especially this year with the injuries to Willis, Bowman, Brock. Dorsey, and without Aldon for more than half the year. That's about 1/3 of your defensive starters. You can still question some of their during the game calls, but in regards to getting the players ready they are one of the best in the NFL. There are a lot of experience in that defensive staff. I think retaining not only Fangio but the whole staff will be a good decision for the next HC.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Same thing happened in NC-assumed you're talking about the Panthers. They were an expansion team back in 1995, that took some good but aging guys through the expansion draft. Both on offense and defense. After a year or two, they got old fast. They had to reload, offense took priority over defense. I'm not sure about Houston. I didn't follow Houston that closely.

I'm not hot on Fangio being a HC either. I don't think he has the administrative side to be one.

Right, so having a great talent of defensive players has made a him a great defensive coach...weird? That's my pt, I think the FO should make him the highest paid DC (think he might be close already) and Vic unless he all of a sudden wants to be a HC (never been offered the job before in 35 years of coaching) should be more than happy to keep on throwing out a top defense and knowing his job is secure.

Not hating on Vic, I hope he stays the DC for many years, but I want a offensive minded coach as the new HC.