Are we allowed to keep Vic Fangio?

How do we know if the new HC would even want Vic? Every head coach has their own team in their mind. What if the one we bring in had some beef with Vic in the past and will do whatever it takes to get Fangio out.

What if we get Shanahan or Holmgren and they come in like...we ran circles around this fool back in the day. He's out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
to be only offered/keep a DC position is a slap in the face to Fangio..The only way he stays is a HC job...unless we hire a big name long in the game HC..which im uneasy with since they have fallen off in the years gone by

Exactly how is it a slap in the face? He has had a shaky career at best up until this point as a coach. He's had some great years...and he's had some really bad ones, he ended up costing Mora his job in Indy. He was relegated to being a defensive assistant before Harbaugh hired him at Stanford.


If he stays with the 49ers, he has a steady gig with a very talented roster. Nobody owes him a head coaching position.


Pittsburgh went from Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin without giving Dick LeBeau the time of day pretty much, and that was AFTER they won the Superbowl.....he's still with the team even though Tomlin is literally like half his age.

Lebeau was too old jump into a HC position..and probably turned it down

to hire an unknown/New for HC is a slap in the face when Fangio can run the show himself

Vic has been coaching for 35 years and has never been offered a HC job...sometimes some people are better suited as coordinators not a HC.

true...but he's been hired as a HC assistant a couple of times, that shows me he wants more

this will probably be his best shot at a NFL HC position..if we fire JH

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
true...but he's been hired as a HC assistant a couple of times, that shows me he wants more

this will probably be his best shot at a NFL HC position..if we fire JH

Assistant HC is completely meaningless. Tom Moore is an assistant HC, its just a title they give to assistants that have been around forever. Seely is an assistant HC for the 49ers and nobody is breaking down the door to make him head coach.

Fangio was hired as an assistant because nobody wanted to give him another defensive coordinator stint after poor showings at Indy and Houston.

I'm not sure Fangio really wants to be a head coach...or to put it another way, if other NFL teams (maybe even including the Niners) see him as a head coach. Some cord's are just better suited to be that. That said, I don't think having a head coach with a defensive background is a bad thing. The key is to hire the kind of OC who can develop and sustain a consistent offense. Belichick's the best example of that...his pre-HC history is on defense, but he knows who to hire to run his offense. For the Niners I hope Tomsula gets a shot if Harbaugh leaves. The guy's just an outstanding football coach...one I believe can succeed as a head coach. He's also a guy I believe the players would definitely rally around and play winning football for. If he got the job he'd likely get help from Baalke to hire a new OC...and that's the key, getting the right guy to coach up your offense. Hiring an offensive head coach to fix the O isn't necessarily the answer. Even Sean Peyton's Saints have struggled this year...their defense has been bad all year, but even their offense hasn't been stellar as in the past. Sometimes things just happen that prevent seemingly good teams from succeeding. The key, though, is finding ways to quickly rebound...and I'm sure that'll be Baalke's main focus when he & Harbaugh sit down after the season.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm not sure Fangio really wants to be a head coach...or to put it another way, if other NFL teams (maybe even including the Niners) see him as a head coach. Some cord's are just better suited to be that. That said, I don't think having a head coach with a defensive background is a bad thing. The key is to hire the kind of OC who can develop and sustain a consistent offense. Belichick's the best example of that...his pre-HC history is on defense, but he knows who to hire to run his offense. For the Niners I hope Tomsula gets a shot if Harbaugh leaves. The guy's just an outstanding football coach...one I believe can succeed as a head coach. He's also a guy I believe the players would definitely rally around and play winning football for. If he got the job he'd likely get help from Baalke to hire a new OC...and that's the key, getting the right guy to coach up your offense. Hiring an offensive head coach to fix the O isn't necessarily the answer. Even Sean Peyton's Saints have struggled this year...their defense has been bad all year, but even their offense hasn't been stellar as in the past. Sometimes things just happen that prevent seemingly good teams from succeeding. The key, though, is finding ways to quickly rebound...and I'm sure that'll be Baalke's main focus when he & Harbaugh sit down after the season.

And what happens when the right guy leaves....and now you've got to go out and find a different right guy with a different playbook? The problem is if the OC is excellent, he'll be off to a head coaching gig, if he's bad, you've got to fire him and start all over again, if he's just the right amount of mediocre, he might be around for a LONG time.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm not sure Fangio really wants to be a head coach...or to put it another way, if other NFL teams (maybe even including the Niners) see him as a head coach. Some cord's are just better suited to be that. That said, I don't think having a head coach with a defensive background is a bad thing. The key is to hire the kind of OC who can develop and sustain a consistent offense. Belichick's the best example of that...his pre-HC history is on defense, but he knows who to hire to run his offense. For the Niners I hope Tomsula gets a shot if Harbaugh leaves. The guy's just an outstanding football coach...one I believe can succeed as a head coach. He's also a guy I believe the players would definitely rally around and play winning football for. If he got the job he'd likely get help from Baalke to hire a new OC...and that's the key, getting the right guy to coach up your offense. Hiring an offensive head coach to fix the O isn't necessarily the answer. Even Sean Peyton's Saints have struggled this year...their defense has been bad all year, but even their offense hasn't been stellar as in the past. Sometimes things just happen that prevent seemingly good teams from succeeding. The key, though, is finding ways to quickly rebound...and I'm sure that'll be Baalke's main focus when he & Harbaugh sit down after the season.

And what happens when the right guy leaves....and now you've got to go out and find a different right guy with a different playbook? The problem is if the OC is excellent, he'll be off to a head coaching gig, if he's bad, you've got to fire him and start all over again, if he's just the right amount of mediocre, he might be around for a LONG time.

49ers haven't had that problem.......................................................................................................................... ......................................

This team needs to keep the defense coaching staff intact. It will become too unstable if they leave. Fangio and the others will make the decisions to stay or go depending on what is best for them and their families. Harbaugh's moving on will be way down on the list of what matters to them. If as many of us believe the 49ers front office is a loyalty free mess they probably will move on. If not and believe they are being teated well, paid well they will stay.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And what happens when the right guy leaves....and now you've got to go out and find a different right guy with a different playbook? The problem is if the OC is excellent, he'll be off to a head coaching gig, if he's bad, you've got to fire him and start all over again, if he's just the right amount of mediocre, he might be around for a LONG time.

Right! I mean if they are going the defensive HC direction at least hire someone that has SOME experience on the offensive side at some pt....Vic has never had anything to do with the offensive side of the ball and look at the successful head coaches in the league most have had some offensive background at some point.

If we have a great offensive year see ya later OC back to square one....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

And what happens when the right guy leaves....and now you've got to go out and find a different right guy with a different playbook? The problem is if the OC is excellent, he'll be off to a head coaching gig, if he's bad, you've got to fire him and start all over again, if he's just the right amount of mediocre, he might be around for a LONG time.

Right! I mean if they are going the defensive HC direction at least hire someone that has SOME experience on the offensive side at some pt....Vic has never had anything to do with the offensive side of the ball and look at the successful head coaches in the league most have had some offensive background at some point.

If we have a great offensive year see ya later OC back to square one....

This is why I'd be shocked if after all this w/ HaRoman, the FO didn't go for an offensive guy. No way they go through all this trouble and release Harbaugh at the end of the year if they didn't believe they could find someone who could run an offense better. Fire Harbaugh so we can hire our DC or DL coach (that have no prior HC experience or offensive background) and have a revolving door at OC? I hope to God that isn't their plan. If you're going to bring up Belichick, also consider that he has one of the best QBs ever to run the show in NE. Our QB is struggling and the OL needs fixing...I don't think having a new playbook every 1-2 years is the way to go especially not with this team. Bring in an offensive mind that can lay his foundation and philosophy, fix the QB and the line and hopefully the new coach will leave Fangio, Tomsula, Donatell and the rest of the defensive coaching staff the hell alone. The job they've done this year with all the injuries the defense suffered...man, no way in hell you question that group. If there was ever any doubt, they are as elite as they come. Retaining them is one of the most important things we must do this offseason next to hiring the new coach.

Originally posted by Chico:
and then hire an offensive minded coach like Holmgren or Gruden?
I'd love to keep our defensive coordinators and just hire an offensive minded coach. Or will Vic follow Harbaugh?

I want you to breathe if oxygen goes through your lungs you can keep Bangio!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
true...but he's been hired as a HC assistant a couple of times, that shows me he wants more

this will probably be his best shot at a NFL HC position..if we fire JH

Assistant HC is completely meaningless. Tom Moore is an assistant HC, its just a title they give to assistants that have been around forever. Seely is an assistant HC for the 49ers and nobody is breaking down the door to make him head coach.

Fangio was hired as an assistant because nobody wanted to give him another defensive coordinator stint after poor showings at Indy and Houston.

Basically, coaches get the AHC tag so there is no pressure to allow them to interview for coordinator positions. AHC is essentially on the same tier as OC/DC, so they position is not a promotion.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
true...but he's been hired as a HC assistant a couple of times, that shows me he wants more

this will probably be his best shot at a NFL HC position..if we fire JH

Assistant HC is completely meaningless. Tom Moore is an assistant HC, its just a title they give to assistants that have been around forever. Seely is an assistant HC for the 49ers and nobody is breaking down the door to make him head coach.

Fangio was hired as an assistant because nobody wanted to give him another defensive coordinator stint after poor showings at Indy and Houston.

Fangio hasnt been forever, why do keep associating Fangio to these old timers that our on their last leg?

he's just as young as Harbaugh..and to say Fangio didn't try to learn anything from being with the HC and seeing how its ran...is incorrect

Seely, there was talk when our ST was great..but now its fallen off...unlike Fangio's Defense

Fangio is the only coach who has had his unit consistently play at a high level every year he has been here.


We need to maintain some sort of continuity and it needs to be on the defense, which is our strength. We lose Fangio, in addition to Harbaugh, and we could be in for some Dennis Erickson-esque teams.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Fangio hasnt been forever, why do keep associating Fangio to these old timers that our on their last leg?

he's just as young as Harbaugh..and to say Fangio didn't try to learn anything from being with the HC and seeing how its ran...is incorrect

Seely, there was talk when our ST was great..but now its fallen off...unlike Fangio's Defense

Fangio has been coaching in the NFL since the mid 80's, almost 30 years....that's pretty much forever.

The average age of NFL head coaches when they are first hired is about 45 years old. Fangio will be 57 at the start of next season.

I really want him, his defensive assistants, and our ST coaches stay. I want all of the offensive staff, most of our offensive line, and retarded kap to get out