Are we allowed to keep Vic Fangio?

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
I like the idea of Fangio in a consultant role. That would be a great mind for Ryans to lean on and learn from. Though if it's a possibility of Fangio becoming DC after Ryans assuredly becomes an HC next year, how would that even work? We run a base 4-3 defense with Wide 9 and Cover 3 principles, while Fangio runs a 3-4.

Agree. Fangio is a 3-4 guy, but 3-4 and 4-3 aren't so different that Fangio can't adjust. I just like the fact that he can step in as DC if Demeco leaves and i don't think he's wanting to be Head Coach again for a while after his Bronco stint. That might help stability on the defensive coaching side for a couple of years. I personally like the Wide 9 now, and I think, to a certain extent Fangio has been moving in that direction philosophically already.

If he can make the transition to 4-3, out run defense would be absolutely insane with our LB and Dline. It's arguably better than the Harbaugh years and that's saying a lot.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

I like the idea of Fangio in a consultant role. That would be a great mind for Ryans to lean on and learn from. Though if it's a possibility of Fangio becoming DC after Ryans assuredly becomes an HC next year, how would that even work? We run a base 4-3 defense with Wide 9 and Cover 3 principles, while Fangio runs a 3-4.

Agree. Fangio is a 3-4 guy, but 3-4 and 4-3 aren't so different that Fangio can't adjust. I just like the fact that he can step in as DC if Demeco leaves and i don't think he's wanting to be Head Coach again for a while after his Bronco stint. That might help stability on the defensive coaching side for a couple of years. I personally like the Wide 9 now, and I think, to a certain extent Fangio has been moving in that direction philosophically already.

If he can make the transition to 4-3, out run defense would be absolutely insane with our LB and Dline. It's arguably better than the Harbaugh years and that's saying a lot.

I think Fangio can make the adjustment. The Wide 9, looking at it in another way, is basically Fangio's nickel defense with 4 DLine pass rushers. Terrible against the run, unless you have the scheme to counter runs up the middle (and Fangio will have Kocurek's help on that), but it's a very strong pass defense. Specially if you have the defensive backs to man up on the opposing WR's.

Originally posted by thl408:
The 49ers play the AFC West next season. That's where Fangio just came from. I think he's on board to help scout the opponent and provide input on game plan.

Originally posted by thl408:
The 49ers play the AFC West next season. That's where Fangio just came from. I think he's on board to help scout the opponent and provide input on game plan.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by thl408:
The 49ers play the AFC West next season. That's where Fangio just came from. I think he's on board to help scout the opponent and provide input on game plan.

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I don't see him having a role in this defense...he was great with Harbaugh, but I think that ship's sailed far away. Ryans has a mentor in James Bettcher...if it isn't broken, don't fix it, IMHO.

I don't think so. His ability to specifically game plan for opponents vs. all gas, no brakes and just doing what we do could be very helpful for Ryans. In addition, he could be huge with helping the secondary in pattern match schemes. He always got the most of the least talent too and always had a secondary pipeline ready to go. His experience would be invaluable. 3-4, 4-3 and W9 isn't a crutch.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by thl408:
The 49ers play the AFC West next season. That's where Fangio just came from. I think he's on board to help scout the opponent and provide input on game plan.

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He's getting paid like a head coach from his remaining contract with DEN. He probably wants to take a year off from the 16 hour work days and just "chill" in an advisory role. He knows Kyle respects him from Kyle's desire in the past to have Fangio be his DC. Not a bad gig for Fangio. Get paid well, stay involved in a limited role. If he wants to get back into a DC or HC role, he's up to date with the league in 2023.

Originally posted by thl408:
Quite a difference in ideas when comparing what Kocurek wants his defensive front to do (one gap) and what Fangio wants his DL to do (1.5 gap). I don't think doing both while switching back and forth is optimal.
My guess is that the advice Fangio provides has to do mainly with game planning for the opponent, and not so much implementing Fangio's core concepts into the 49ers.

Originally posted by thl408:
The 49ers play the AFC West next season. That's where Fangio just came from. I think he's on board to help scout the opponent and provide input on game plan.