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Originally posted by Jcool:
Curt Popejoy @NFLdraftboard
I'm not a sources guy but I did get an interesting text from a college buddy who claims the 49ers have reached out to Malzahn.
My friend has never steered me wrong but it's typically recruiting related and CFB. This would be new.
Originally posted by 9er2k:
If for any reason Marvin Lewis was let go I would definitely bring him in along with Hue Jackson as OC
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by crake49:
Mike Holmgren was the OC for the most prolific Niner offense in team history. Holmgren made Brett Favre into a championship QB. Holmgren is one of the original members of the Bill Walsh coaching tree.
The team doesn't want to talk to Holmgren. They'd rather interview Rex Ryan.
WTF??!!
ok before you blow a fuse....take a look at the last few years of Holmgren's football life...Brownies GM which produced....0. The guy has been out of football way too long. I love him but is it a logical choice? Probably not. Rex is friends with Baalke which makes sense on that level but I doubt Ryan is at the top of our list
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
So if we hire a defensive coach, who would be good candidates for OC.
Rob Chudzinski
Tom Rathman
Chud wouldn't be bad. Rathman is an unknown but intriguing. You think he still has some of Walshs old plays lying around his house
Originally posted by goldlame2013:
One problem with this, the offense is a WRECK. It needs a major overhaul, and bring in an OC isn't gonna cut it.
Originally posted by NCommand:Good read and things to consider
FANGIO IS THE TEACHER YORK IS LOOKING FOR
Chris Biderman
Niners Digest
49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio's 'less-is-more' coaching style might be just what they need to replace Jim Harbaugh.
SANTA CLARA, Calif. - San Francisco 49ers general manager Trent Baalke doesn't believe an 8-8 season is cause to start from scratch with the team one week into its search to replace head coach Jim Harbaugh.
"This isn't a rebuild situation. This is a reload situation," Baalke said last week. "(I) got a lot of confidence in this team, the players in that locker room and we're going to need to make some adjustments."
Some of those players have already voiced their opinions, backing incumbent defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who represents the most seamless transition of all the candidates being prodded by Baalke and the rest of San Francisco's brass.
Fangio's unit finished fifth in the NFL in total defense in 2014, despite missing a number of key players for chunks of the season, including All-Pro inside linebacker NaVorro Bowman, who missed the year with an ACL tear. Fellow inside linebacker Patrick Willisrequired season-ending toe surgery after appearing in six games. And outside linebacker Aldon Smith was suspended for the first nine games of the season for violating the NFL's substance abuse and personal conduct policies.
49ers CEO Jed York said in the aftermath of Harbaugh's departure "We expect to win the Super Bowl every year. That is our goal."
Those sky-high expectations are likely a product of the 49ers' illustrious past, that includes five championships under the stewardship of York's uncle, Eddie DeBartolo Jr. The fourth, in 1989, came under first-year head coach George Seifert, becoming just the second rookie coach in league history to win a Super Bowl. He went on to win another in the 1994-95 season.
Seifert, of course, was Bill Walsh's defensive coordinator for six seasons before taking over the head job. He already had a talented roster in place, along with a quarterback named Joe Montana.
Barring the hiring of Mike Shanahan, who won back-to-back Super Bowls in the 1997 and 1998 season with the Denver Broncos, or Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who coached the Broncos from 2009-2010, all signs are pointing to San Francisco going with a first-time head coach.
If, in fact, Baalke would rather "reload" than "rebuild," his best chance is to maintain the continuity that brought the 49ers to three consecutive conference title games before the disappointing 2014 season. And that means going with Fangio - in a similar move to DeBartolo going with Seifert in '89.
But maintaining continuity is just one of the draws in hiring the 56-year-old. Fangio's coaching style is the antithesis of what went wrong for the 49ers this season, particularly with the offense.
The overarching theme of Fangio's coaching style during his four season in San Francisco has been simplicity. Keep schemes and responsibilities simple, and the talent on the field will shine through.
The 49ers still have one of the league's most talented rosters. And under Fangio, instead of"trying to trick" opposing defenses, he would implement an offensive coaching staff that would stick with what's worked over the previous three seasons: a power running game that makes life easier on the quarterback.
Harbaugh was a "more is more" kind of coach. His famous catch phrase, "You're either getting better or getting worse. You never stay the same," exemplifies that no amount of work or preparation is too much.
In many ways, having Fangio on Harbaugh's staff balanced that out. Leading up to the game against Alex Smith and the Kansas City Chiefs in October, Fangio offered up a statement that best exemplifies his approach to preparation.
Fangio was asked if part of the preparation process for Smith was to ask Harbaugh about some of his tendencies. After all, it was Harbaugh who helped mold Smith into one of the league's most efficient quarterbacks after struggling mightily in his first six season before Harbaugh arrived.
"No, but sometimes too much study is paralysis by over-analysis. I watched the tape and prepared for him just like any other quarterback," Fangio said. "And I saw him play all those games and in practice. So, whatever I would ask him or answer I was looking for, I already had an opinion in my own mind."
There were a number of factors that played into the 49ers' offensive struggles in 2014, including injuries along the offensive line and three of their top four tight ends ending the season on injured reserve. Coordinator Greg Roman's offense finished 25th in scoring and 21st in yards, taking a dramatic step backward from the previous three years.
San Francisco's offense was plagued by "paralysis by over-analysis," choosing game plans on opposite sides of the spectrum week to week. It came as no surprise, as the season went along, the most successful offensive performances came when the 49ers ran the ball effectively, which was their staple of the previous three seasons.
York said he wants his next coach to be "a teacher."
With the exception of quarterback, Harbaugh's staff of 12 offensive coaches (Fangio's defense has just six) struggled to develop talent, particularly at the skill positions. The team's best offensive players, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis (excluding 2014) and Anquan Boldin were effective players before Harbaugh got to the 49ers.
Symbols of the team's offensive struggles in 2014 were the team's first two draft picks in 2012, wide receiver A.J. Jenkins and running back LaMichael James, who, on paper, represented the play-making ability the offense was lacking when they were drafted. They were shipped out of San Francisco before the end of their rookie contracts. Jenkins was traded before the start of his second season to Kansas City, while James was released a day after the team's season-opening win in Dallas.
The 2013 draft hasn't yielded fruits at the skill positions either. Tight end Vance McDonald, who was taken in the second round, has 10 receptions for 149 yards in his two seasons before a back injury landed him on IR midway through 2014. Fourth-round receiver Quinton Pattonhas appeared in nine regular season games, totaling six catches for 78 yards. Patton's overtime fumble in Week 16 gave the Chargers the ball, allowing them to hit the game-winning field goal moments later. Bruce Ellington, a fourth-round pick last spring, rarely saw the field outside of the return game.
Blame should be shared equally between the front office and Harbaugh's gaudy staff for their inability to develop those players.
Fangio, on the other hand, has seen a number of rookies - and incoming free agents - prosper on his side the ball. Safety Eric Reid earned a trip to the Pro Bowl after his rookie season. Cornerback Carlos Rogers resurrected his career after joining the 49ers as a free agent, earning a second-team All-Pro nomination in 2011. Veteran safety Antoine Bethea replacedDonte Whitner seamlessly, having arguably the best season of his nine-year career in 2014 and earning team MVP honors.
Bowman's first year as a starter came in Fangio's first season as coordinator. He went on to receive three straight first-team All-Pro nominations. Aldon Smith, a rookie that same year, quickly became one of the best pass rushers in the league under Fangio, who doubles as his position coach at outside linebacker. Ahmad Brooks also became a starter in 2011, before earning second-team All-Pro nods in 2012 and 2013.
The 2014 draft class of defensive appears to be on a similar trajectory under Fangio. Fifth-round pick Aaron Lynch became a quick study at outside linebacker. The same for cornerback Dontae Johnson, a fourth-round selection, who played a prominent role on the NFL's sixth-ranked passing defense, and is on the trajectory to becoming a starter in the coming seasons. Inside linebacker Chris Borland finished with 99 combined tackles making 11 starts replacing Willis at "Mike" linebacker.
And his rough outing in Week 2 against Brandon Marshall aside, first-round pick Jimmie Ward showed progression at arguably the defense's most difficult position of nickel cornerback.
If being a teacher is about developing talent, there's plenty of proof on Fangio's side, aided by simplistic approach. He reportedly interviewed with York and Baalke last week. It apparently went well.
Before the 49ers and Harbaugh officially parted ways, rumors centered around defensive line coach Jim Tomsula as the favorite to be his replacement. Tomsula has yet to interview, according to multiple reports, but that might not be significant given his familiarity to the front office. Tomsula was the interim coach after the team firedMike Singletary in 2010.
Reports from the San Jose Mercury News and CSN Bay Area indicate Fangio, who is under contract for 2015, would try to leave if Tomsula got the head job. Those reports also indicate Raiders defensive coordinator Jason Tarver would be Tomsula's first choice for defensive coordinator. Tarver spent 2001-2010 on San Francisco's staff.
If the 49ers tap Fangio, it's likely secondary coach Ed Donatell would be elevated to defensive coordinator. He held that position with the Green Bay Packers (2001-2003) and Atlanta Falcons (2004-2006).
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:HA there it is!
Originally posted by NYniner85:
IF everyone is in love with Vic then throw out some very good offensive coordinators. I wouldn't hate Vic (not my 1st choice), but he has never been involved with the offense and I would like to think the FO would like to score some points lol.
So who's Vic's OC???
Jimmy Raye?
Originally posted by Antix:
A "major overhaul" isn't necessary. If we just had common sense on offense we'd be in the playoffs right now.
Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
IF everyone is in love with Vic then throw out some very good offensive coordinators. I wouldn't hate Vic (not my 1st choice), but he has never been involved with the offense and I would like to think the FO would like to score some points lol.
So who's Vic's OC???
Koetter or Trestman seem to be the most logical candidates. My vote goes to Trestman.
Originally posted by cools:
Im predicting Fangio, hope it happens soon so he can tweak his coaching staff a bit, and bring in an OC, though Fang may like Chryst for that role
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:Anyone who wants to use his age as a negative needs to look up two names: Pete Carroll (Yes CRINGE) and Tom Coughlin. (Beat our ass didnt he)
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by crake49:
Mike Holmgren was the OC for the most prolific Niner offense in team history. Holmgren made Brett Favre into a championship QB. Holmgren is one of the original members of the Bill Walsh coaching tree.
The team doesn't want to talk to Holmgren. They'd rather interview Rex Ryan.
WTF??!!
ok before you blow a fuse....take a look at the last few years of Holmgren's football life...Brownies GM which produced....0. The guy has been out of football way too long. I love him but is it a logical choice? Probably not. Rex is friends with Baalke which makes sense on that level but I doubt Ryan is at the top of our list
You can use your own argument against other candidates they are interviewing namely Mike Shanahan. Another 'zoner posted on here that Holmgren has been to a SB within the last 10 years and more playoff wins as opposed Shanny who has 1 playoff win since 1998.
I don't think anybody can state who is "too old to coach" without speculating. But the fact that they didn't even TALK to him speaks volumes. I'm hoping Holmgren is just bluffing and maybe, just maybe something is going on behind the scenes.
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Jcool:Curt Popejoy @NFLdraftboard
I'm not a sources guy but I did get an interesting text from a college buddy who claims the 49ers have reached out to Malzahn.
My friend has never steered me wrong but it's typically recruiting related and CFB. This would be new.
Ahhhh yeah. Baalke interviewing and scouting college players and building his board at the same time. Genius!
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by crake49:
Mike Holmgren was the OC for the most prolific Niner offense in team history. Holmgren made Brett Favre into a championship QB. Holmgren is one of the original members of the Bill Walsh coaching tree.
The team doesn't want to talk to Holmgren. They'd rather interview Rex Ryan.
WTF??!!
ok before you blow a fuse....take a look at the last few years of Holmgren's football life...Brownies GM which produced....0. The guy has been out of football way too long. I love him but is it a logical choice? Probably not. Rex is friends with Baalke which makes sense on that level but I doubt Ryan is at the top of our list
You can use your own argument against other candidates they are interviewing namely Mike Shanahan. Another 'zoner posted on here that Holmgren has been to a SB within the last 10 years and more playoff wins as opposed Shanny who has 1 playoff win since 1998.
I don't think anybody can state who is "too old to coach" without speculating. But the fact that they didn't even TALK to him speaks volumes. I'm hoping Holmgren is just bluffing and maybe, just maybe something is going on behind the scenes.
Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Good read and things to consider
FANGIO IS THE TEACHER YORK IS LOOKING FOR
Chris Biderman
Niners Digest
49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio's 'less-is-more' coaching style might be just what they need to replace Jim Harbaugh.
SANTA CLARA, Calif. - San Francisco 49ers general manager Trent Baalke doesn't believe an 8-8 season is cause to start from scratch with the team one week into its search to replace head coach Jim Harbaugh.
"This isn't a rebuild situation. This is a reload situation," Baalke said last week. "(I) got a lot of confidence in this team, the players in that locker room and we're going to need to make some adjustments."
Some of those players have already voiced their opinions, backing incumbent defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who represents the most seamless transition of all the candidates being prodded by Baalke and the rest of San Francisco's brass.
Fangio's unit finished fifth in the NFL in total defense in 2014, despite missing a number of key players for chunks of the season, including All-Pro inside linebacker NaVorro Bowman, who missed the year with an ACL tear. Fellow inside linebacker Patrick Willisrequired season-ending toe surgery after appearing in six games. And outside linebacker Aldon Smith was suspended for the first nine games of the season for violating the NFL's substance abuse and personal conduct policies.
49ers CEO Jed York said in the aftermath of Harbaugh's departure "We expect to win the Super Bowl every year. That is our goal."
Those sky-high expectations are likely a product of the 49ers' illustrious past, that includes five championships under the stewardship of York's uncle, Eddie DeBartolo Jr. The fourth, in 1989, came under first-year head coach George Seifert, becoming just the second rookie coach in league history to win a Super Bowl. He went on to win another in the 1994-95 season.
Seifert, of course, was Bill Walsh's defensive coordinator for six seasons before taking over the head job. He already had a talented roster in place, along with a quarterback named Joe Montana.
Barring the hiring of Mike Shanahan, who won back-to-back Super Bowls in the 1997 and 1998 season with the Denver Broncos, or Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who coached the Broncos from 2009-2010, all signs are pointing to San Francisco going with a first-time head coach.
If, in fact, Baalke would rather "reload" than "rebuild," his best chance is to maintain the continuity that brought the 49ers to three consecutive conference title games before the disappointing 2014 season. And that means going with Fangio - in a similar move to DeBartolo going with Seifert in '89.
But maintaining continuity is just one of the draws in hiring the 56-year-old. Fangio's coaching style is the antithesis of what went wrong for the 49ers this season, particularly with the offense.
The overarching theme of Fangio's coaching style during his four season in San Francisco has been simplicity. Keep schemes and responsibilities simple, and the talent on the field will shine through.
The 49ers still have one of the league's most talented rosters. And under Fangio, instead of"trying to trick" opposing defenses, he would implement an offensive coaching staff that would stick with what's worked over the previous three seasons: a power running game that makes life easier on the quarterback.
Harbaugh was a "more is more" kind of coach. His famous catch phrase, "You're either getting better or getting worse. You never stay the same," exemplifies that no amount of work or preparation is too much.
In many ways, having Fangio on Harbaugh's staff balanced that out. Leading up to the game against Alex Smith and the Kansas City Chiefs in October, Fangio offered up a statement that best exemplifies his approach to preparation.
Fangio was asked if part of the preparation process for Smith was to ask Harbaugh about some of his tendencies. After all, it was Harbaugh who helped mold Smith into one of the league's most efficient quarterbacks after struggling mightily in his first six season before Harbaugh arrived.
"No, but sometimes too much study is paralysis by over-analysis. I watched the tape and prepared for him just like any other quarterback," Fangio said. "And I saw him play all those games and in practice. So, whatever I would ask him or answer I was looking for, I already had an opinion in my own mind."
There were a number of factors that played into the 49ers' offensive struggles in 2014, including injuries along the offensive line and three of their top four tight ends ending the season on injured reserve. Coordinator Greg Roman's offense finished 25th in scoring and 21st in yards, taking a dramatic step backward from the previous three years.
San Francisco's offense was plagued by "paralysis by over-analysis," choosing game plans on opposite sides of the spectrum week to week. It came as no surprise, as the season went along, the most successful offensive performances came when the 49ers ran the ball effectively, which was their staple of the previous three seasons.
York said he wants his next coach to be "a teacher."
With the exception of quarterback, Harbaugh's staff of 12 offensive coaches (Fangio's defense has just six) struggled to develop talent, particularly at the skill positions. The team's best offensive players, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis (excluding 2014) and Anquan Boldin were effective players before Harbaugh got to the 49ers.
Symbols of the team's offensive struggles in 2014 were the team's first two draft picks in 2012, wide receiver A.J. Jenkins and running back LaMichael James, who, on paper, represented the play-making ability the offense was lacking when they were drafted. They were shipped out of San Francisco before the end of their rookie contracts. Jenkins was traded before the start of his second season to Kansas City, while James was released a day after the team's season-opening win in Dallas.
The 2013 draft hasn't yielded fruits at the skill positions either. Tight end Vance McDonald, who was taken in the second round, has 10 receptions for 149 yards in his two seasons before a back injury landed him on IR midway through 2014. Fourth-round receiver Quinton Pattonhas appeared in nine regular season games, totaling six catches for 78 yards. Patton's overtime fumble in Week 16 gave the Chargers the ball, allowing them to hit the game-winning field goal moments later. Bruce Ellington, a fourth-round pick last spring, rarely saw the field outside of the return game.
Blame should be shared equally between the front office and Harbaugh's gaudy staff for their inability to develop those players.
Fangio, on the other hand, has seen a number of rookies - and incoming free agents - prosper on his side the ball. Safety Eric Reid earned a trip to the Pro Bowl after his rookie season. Cornerback Carlos Rogers resurrected his career after joining the 49ers as a free agent, earning a second-team All-Pro nomination in 2011. Veteran safety Antoine Bethea replacedDonte Whitner seamlessly, having arguably the best season of his nine-year career in 2014 and earning team MVP honors.
Bowman's first year as a starter came in Fangio's first season as coordinator. He went on to receive three straight first-team All-Pro nominations. Aldon Smith, a rookie that same year, quickly became one of the best pass rushers in the league under Fangio, who doubles as his position coach at outside linebacker. Ahmad Brooks also became a starter in 2011, before earning second-team All-Pro nods in 2012 and 2013.
The 2014 draft class of defensive appears to be on a similar trajectory under Fangio. Fifth-round pick Aaron Lynch became a quick study at outside linebacker. The same for cornerback Dontae Johnson, a fourth-round selection, who played a prominent role on the NFL's sixth-ranked passing defense, and is on the trajectory to becoming a starter in the coming seasons. Inside linebacker Chris Borland finished with 99 combined tackles making 11 starts replacing Willis at "Mike" linebacker.
And his rough outing in Week 2 against Brandon Marshall aside, first-round pick Jimmie Ward showed progression at arguably the defense's most difficult position of nickel cornerback.
If being a teacher is about developing talent, there's plenty of proof on Fangio's side, aided by simplistic approach. He reportedly interviewed with York and Baalke last week. It apparently went well.
Before the 49ers and Harbaugh officially parted ways, rumors centered around defensive line coach Jim Tomsula as the favorite to be his replacement. Tomsula has yet to interview, according to multiple reports, but that might not be significant given his familiarity to the front office. Tomsula was the interim coach after the team firedMike Singletary in 2010.
Reports from the San Jose Mercury News and CSN Bay Area indicate Fangio, who is under contract for 2015, would try to leave if Tomsula got the head job. Those reports also indicate Raiders defensive coordinator Jason Tarver would be Tomsula's first choice for defensive coordinator. Tarver spent 2001-2010 on San Francisco's staff.
If the 49ers tap Fangio, it's likely secondary coach Ed Donatell would be elevated to defensive coordinator. He held that position with the Green Bay Packers (2001-2003) and Atlanta Falcons (2004-2006).
The Walsh/Seifert and Harbaugh/Fangio parallels occurred to me as well. I'm still hoping they talk to Kubiak myself, but NCommand is right it is interesting.
Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Why, so you can go 9-7, 10-6 once in a while then get bounced in WC round every time?
