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I really believe shannahan is our guy

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
consider how good our guards and even tackles are at pulling. coming all the way across formations and things like that.. wouldn't it make sense to think if they can move and block in those tight spaces over great distances that they could probably go forward and do the same thing?

Power blocking and zone blocking schemes are different.Out of our current offensive line, in a zone blocking scheme, I'd like to think that Joe Staley actually fits that type of scheme very well given his athleticism. Anthony Davis concerns me though. He's more of a straight ahead, mauler who excels in a man blocking, run oriented scheme. That's not to say he isn't athletic and can't move, but the movement and awareness needed in zone blocking is different than simply pulling and smashing the opposing defender.

On the plus side, I've always heard that zone blocking schemes excel when you have good teachers where as man schemes excel with better players. I don't think we'd need to invest high round picks on the o-line to get powerful, mauling types anymore. I mean, talent is talent and if you have all pros who fit what you want to do, the scheme is going to be a lot better either way. But I'd think that if we bring in Shanny, we will definitely not be re-signing Iupati (our bread and butter on the power play) due to his price and Shanahan's scheme. I'd definitely be interested to see what Brandon Thomas could do in such a scheme though.

yep, I think staley is athletic enough, he's a lighter tackle. Kilgore is a lighter guy so he should be able to as well. Martin can get to the 2nd level quick so him at guard would work, Boone is athletic enough he could as well. Thomas at about 305 is athletic enough... I'd say the only guy I'm worried about is Davis like you said Shao.

And like you said with the zone blocking scheme they had in denver and houston all these years you can throw any rb back there and get 1000 yards so you dont have to invest much or pay a rb can always go next man up. Same with the offensive line... next man up dont have to re-sign guys for 40 mil like we did with Davis with a good scheme they can throw most athletic lineman in there and get the job done. Shanahan and Kubiak would probably bring in a zone.

Going from Harbaugh to someone like Shanahan would be beyond underwhelming.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
yep, I think staley is athletic enough, he's a lighter tackle. Kilgore is a lighter guy so he should be able to as well. Martin can get to the 2nd level quick so him at guard would work, Boone is athletic enough he could as well. Thomas at about 305 is athletic enough... I'd say the only guy I'm worried about is Davis like you said Shao.

And like you said with the zone blocking scheme they had in denver and houston all these years you can throw any rb back there and get 1000 yards so you dont have to invest much or pay a rb can always go next man up. Same with the offensive line... next man up dont have to re-sign guys for 40 mil like we did with Davis with a good scheme they can throw most athletic lineman in there and get the job done. Shanahan and Kubiak would probably bring in a zone.

Holmgren too, right?

Hyde would be awesome in a ZBS. He's always looking to explode into the second level so hitting that cutback would be perfect for him.

I'd be ok with Shannahan or Kubiak. If we go defensive, I'd like to see Fangio HC, Donatell DC, although Rex Ryan as our DC sounds interesting even though there's probably no way that would happen. Hypothetically, we go Fangio HC, Shannahan OC, Rex Ryan DC. I know it can't happen, but I think it would be cool.

Originally posted by sf_nicoya:
Hyde would be awesome in a ZBS. He's always looking to explode into the second level so hitting that cutback would be perfect for him.

Hunter too. I look at what Forsett did in Baltimore this year, and there is no reason why Hunter couldn't have the same success. Similar build, but Hunter is even more quick and explosive cutting up field (at least he was pre-injury). Hope he comes back healthy.

Originally posted by sf_nicoya:

Going from Harbaugh to someone like Shanahan would be beyond underwhelming.

Results are all that matters

Originally posted by gold49digger:
I really believe shannahan is our guy

About to get all ratty up in here.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by sf_nicoya:

Hyde would be awesome in a ZBS. He's always looking to explode into the second level so hitting that cutback would be perfect for him.

Hunter too. I look at what Forsett did in Baltimore this year, and there is no reason why Hunter couldn't have the same success. Similar build, but Hunter is even more quick and explosive cutting up field (at least he was pre-injury). Hope he comes back healthy.

Hunter is so banged up, i doubt he has a big impact

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Holmgren too, right?

I don't think he ran a ZBS with GB or Seattle but not sure. Yeah Kubiak, Gibbs and Rick Dennison all wroked together at some point for the Broncos or Texans and all run a ZBS. If Kubiak is hired he probably brings in Dennison who is Baltimores QB Coach. If Shanahan is hired he could bring in his son but I believe Cleveland could turn down our request since it's a lateral move. I believe Kyle runs a ZBS too. Alex Gibbs, who taught Kubiak and Dennison ZBS, is an OL consultant for the Broncos so it would be interesting if Shanahan could bring him over. Also, wonder if Gase who is the Broncos OC is close with Gibbs and could bring him in to coach the OL or even be a consultant like now and help our new OL coach teach it. At 73 not sure Gibbs would coach again but even havinghim around to consult would help.

Originally posted by Gore_21:

yep, I think staley is athletic enough, he's a lighter tackle. Kilgore is a lighter guy so he should be able to as well. Martin can get to the 2nd level quick so him at guard would work, Boone is athletic enough he could as well. Thomas at about 305 is athletic enough... I'd say the only guy I'm worried about is Davis like you said Shao.

And like you said with the zone blocking scheme they had in denver and houston all these years you can throw any rb back there and get 1000 yards so you dont have to invest much or pay a rb can always go next man up. Same with the offensive line... next man up dont have to re-sign guys for 40 mil like we did with Davis with a good scheme they can throw most athletic lineman in there and get the job done. Shanahan and Kubiak would probably bring in a zone.

Ricky Wagner is hardly a quick footed guy and he had a very strong year with the Ravens. Davis would be fine.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
yep, I think staley is athletic enough, he's a lighter tackle. Kilgore is a lighter guy so he should be able to as well. Martin can get to the 2nd level quick so him at guard would work, Boone is athletic enough he could as well. Thomas at about 305 is athletic enough... I'd say the only guy I'm worried about is Davis like you said Shao.

And like you said with the zone blocking scheme they had in denver and houston all these years you can throw any rb back there and get 1000 yards so you dont have to invest much or pay a rb can always go next man up. Same with the offensive line... next man up dont have to re-sign guys for 40 mil like we did with Davis with a good scheme they can throw most athletic lineman in there and get the job done. Shanahan and Kubiak would probably bring in a zone.

Zone blocking is one of the reasons why Seattle tends to punish us with their run game in the 2nd half of games (Lynch also plays a part in that heh), despite not having the pedigree on the offensive line like we do.

Schemes always look great either way when there is talent and the execution is perfect, but someone like Shanny or Kubiak who really knows what they're doing with that type of scheme (the zone is their bread and butter, along with the bootleg and play action off of it), will definitely accelerate our tinkering on the o-line.

We have invested in bigger, more powerful players. But the modern NFL athlete is strong and fast. I can see guys like Martin, Brandon Thomas, Kilgore translating. It's just Anthony Davis who I worry about (and maybe just the overall mentality of the line...for years they've been taught the power scheme). But I definitely don't think you need to all of a sudden invest in undersized linemen. Just have to make sure they can move.

Originally posted by Gore_21:

I don't think he ran a ZBS with GB or Seattle but not sure. Yeah Kubiak, Gibbs and Rick Dennison all wroked together at some point for the Broncos or Texans and all run a ZBS. If Kubiak is hired he probably brings in Dennison who is Baltimores QB Coach. If Shanahan is hired he could bring in his son but I believe Cleveland could turn down our request since it's a lateral move. I believe Kyle runs a ZBS too. Alex Gibbs, who taught Kubiak and Dennison ZBS, is an OL consultant for the Broncos so it would be interesting if Shanahan could bring him over. Also, wonder if Gase who is the Broncos OC is close with Gibbs and could bring him in to coach the OL or even be a consultant like now and help our new OL coach teach it. At 73 not sure Gibbs would coach again but even havinghim around to consult would help.

If Shanny makes him Assistant HC then its a promotion and he can take the gig IIRC.