The 49ers 2015 Coaching Search Thread(All Rumors and News Here)

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

If Shanny makes him Assistant HC then its a promotion and he can take the gig IIRC.

No it isn't. Assistant HC doesn't mean anything, its an honorary title. As far as the NFL is concerned, there are two types of coaches, head coach and then everyone else.

So whether you call a coach a QB coach, an offensive coordinator, a linebacker's coach, an assistant head coach, the GrandMaster of Defense, it's all the same thing as far as the NFL is concerned and would still be considered a lateral move.

So you can't hire a QB coach from another team to be your OC because that would be a lateral move by NFL standards?

No that is not a lateral move, the OC is definitely a promotion and they are allowed to steal an asst coach under contract for a promotion. And I'm believe that "asst head coach/OC" is a promotion and not a lateral move and thus would be allowed.

That's what I thought but figured I'd challenge Phoenix49ers statement anyway. A promotion is a promotion no matter how you look at it. That dude just can't stand the thought of Kyle coming here. I'll take Kyle or Marc Trestman as OC along with Shanahan as HC.

Maybe some don't remember, but Trestman was ripped hard when he was the Niners OC. People hated him. To think people would welcome him back at this point is kinda funny. Maybe he'd do well, but he was sub-Roman last time around.

I think Kubiak should get the job, I'd be okay with Shanahan too. I want nothing to do with Gase or McDaniels.

Also, I'd like to give a shout out to the asshat that calls fellow fans stupid for wanting one candidate over another when said poster is just as clueless, if not more so, than the people he's ripping on.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

consider how good our guards and even tackles are at pulling. coming all the way across formations and things like that.. wouldn't it make sense to think if they can move and block in those tight spaces over great distances that they could probably go forward and do the same thing?

You would think so

Originally posted by Niners99:

Based on what? The rumblings of people who have no idea whats going on?

Shanahan has already proven himself to be flawed. The way he handled his time in Washington was embarassing. Hes the safe pick for staying the way we are, but I highly doubt he improves us. He also has meltdown potential. Hes old, set in his ways, and would likely clash with Baalke over power over the roster.

Fans are getting all scared and developing the panicked opinion that Shanahan is the only option. Its not 1998, and we dont have a John Elway/Terrell Davis combo. Plugging Shanahan in isnt going to solve our issues.

It wont be petfect but it will solve our issues - inept offense.

Originally posted by mug0mug:

Maybe some don't remember, but Trestman was ripped hard when he was the Niners OC. People hated him. To think people would welcome him back at this point is kinda funny. Maybe he'd do well, but he was sub-Roman last time around.

In 1995 the team led the NFL with 457 points scored, 644 pass attempts and 4,779 passing yards. In 1996 they were ranked 6th in total offensive yards gained with 5,706. The 49ers finished 10th in total passing yards with 3,859, 10th in total rushing yards with 1,847 and 9th in total passing touchdowns with 24. I'd say he didn't do a bad job the first time around.

Originally posted by insanemike27:

In 1995 the team led the NFL with 457 points scored, 644 pass attempts and 4,779 passing yards. In 1996 they were ranked 6th in total offensive yards gained with 5,706. The 49ers finished 10th in total passing yards with 3,859, 10th in total rushing yards with 1,847 and 9th in total passing touchdowns with 24. I'd say he didn't do a bad job the first time around.

We had FA defections a dropoff at RB injuries and an impatient owner. Trestman got the blame for it after the fumble by the FB in the playoffs especially and he got axed. Our standard and expectation was to be the top offense top team in football and nothing less than that would suffice. We need to get back to that

I think it would be pretty careless to assume that we have only interviewed people that have been revealed publicly.

We have a history of keeping things close to the chest when we want to. Although, obviously, not always.

Also have to say I don't have much of a preference really, and will give anyone support, but I am apprehensive about giving Mike Shanahan the job, with freedom to employ and groom Kyle.

I also think we would be foolish to annoy our defense by picking a defensive candidate from elsewhere.

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If Shanny makes him Assistant HC then its a promotion and he can take the gig IIRC.

No it isn't. Assistant HC doesn't mean anything, its an honorary title. As far as the NFL is concerned, there are two types of coaches, head coach and then everyone else.

So whether you call a coach a QB coach, an offensive coordinator, a linebacker's coach, an assistant head coach, the GrandMaster of Defense, it's all the same thing as far as the NFL is concerned and would still be considered a lateral move.

So you can't hire a QB coach from another team to be your OC because that would be a lateral move by NFL standards?

No that is not a lateral move, the OC is definitely a promotion and they are allowed to steal an asst coach under contract for a promotion. And I'm believe that "asst head coach/OC" is a promotion and not a lateral move and thus would be allowed.

That's what I thought but figured I'd challenge Phoenix49ers statement anyway. A promotion is a promotion no matter how you look at it. That dude just can't stand the thought of Kyle coming here. I'll take Kyle or Marc Trestman as OC along with Shanahan as HC.

This is false, assist/position coach to OC or assist head coach in the eyes of the NFL is a lateral move and would not happen without the permission of the team. Just think back to when we blocked our DB coach from interviewing for a DC position on another team. Hiring another teams QB coach to OC is not allowed without permission of QB coach's team.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Based on what? The rumblings of people who have no idea whats going on?

Shanahan has already proven himself to be flawed. The way he handled his time in Washington was embarassing. Hes the safe pick for staying the way we are, but I highly doubt he improves us. He also has meltdown potential. Hes old, set in his ways, and would likely clash with Baalke over power over the roster.

Fans are getting all scared and developing the panicked opinion that Shanahan is the only option. Its not 1998, and we dont have a John Elway/Terrell Davis combo. Plugging Shanahan in isnt going to solve our issues.

It wont be petfect but it will solve our issues - inept offense.

I think modern NFL offense experts could solve our issues too. I was a Gase doubter until a few days ago. Theres a lot of opinions from highly respectable people in the game that think hes the premier next up and coming HC. They said his personality and coaching style is very fitting of a good head coach, so hes not just an X's and O's brain.

Sounds like hes a passionate leader who knows modern NFL offense as good as anyone in the game.

RGIII needed guidance and help stepping his game up. Shanahan failed at doing that, and then talked crap about him behind his back to the media. I dont see any reason why Shanahan would be able to get Kap to the next level as a QB.

When we first fired Harbaugh, I initially panicked and thought Shanahan was our only decent option because he was safe. After doing some research, I think Gase or McDaniels would be much better suited towards getting the offense where it needs to go in order to win us a Super Bowl.

Originally posted by Niners99:
I think modern NFL offense experts could solve our issues too. I was a Gase doubter until a few days ago. Theres a lot of opinions from highly respectable people in the game that think hes the premier next up and coming HC. They said his personality and coaching style is very fitting of a good head coach, so hes not just an X's and O's brain.

Sounds like hes a passionate leader who knows modern NFL offense as good as anyone in the game.

RGIII needed guidance and help stepping his game up. Shanahan failed at doing that, and then talked crap about him behind his back to the media. I dont see any reason why Shanahan would be able to get Kap to the next level as a QB.

When we first fired Harbaugh, I initially panicked and thought Shanahan was our only decent option because he was safe. After doing some research, I think Gase or McDaniels would be much better suited towards getting the offense where it needs to go in order to win us a Super Bowl.

I just hope that Jed lets Baalke pick the HC and not Steve Young Montana and others. As much as I respect those guys and their feelings towards Shanahan I hope that Shanahan only gets the job due to him actually being the best candidate and not because of our alumni's prodding. I desperately want to return to our glory days but only with the right guy as HC whether it be Shanahan or whomever

I'm still on board the Shanny train but what if Fangio got the nod at HC and Trestman came in at OC?

1. He probably has learned a few things in the last 20 years

2. That Chicago offense produced, especially Forte at RB. Cutler is just always doomed to be Cutler

I think it could work

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Based on what? The rumblings of people who have no idea whats going on?

Shanahan has already proven himself to be flawed. The way he handled his time in Washington was embarassing. Hes the safe pick for staying the way we are, but I highly doubt he improves us. He also has meltdown potential. Hes old, set in his ways, and would likely clash with Baalke over power over the roster.

Fans are getting all scared and developing the panicked opinion that Shanahan is the only option. Its not 1998, and we dont have a John Elway/Terrell Davis combo. Plugging Shanahan in isnt going to solve our issues.

It wont be petfect but it will solve our issues - inept offense.

I think modern NFL offense experts could solve our issues too. I was a Gase doubter until a few days ago. Theres a lot of opinions from highly respectable people in the game that think hes the premier next up and coming HC. They said his personality and coaching style is very fitting of a good head coach, so hes not just an X's and O's brain.

Sounds like hes a passionate leader who knows modern NFL offense as good as anyone in the game.

RGIII needed guidance and help stepping his game up. Shanahan failed at doing that, and then talked crap about him behind his back to the media. I dont see any reason why Shanahan would be able to get Kap to the next level as a QB.

When we first fired Harbaugh, I initially panicked and thought Shanahan was our only decent option because he was safe. After doing some research, I think Gase or McDaniels would be much better suited towards getting the offense where it needs to go in order to win us a Super Bowl.

If the FO chose Gase as their next HC you won't hear me complaining. If they hire McDaniels, I will go on a merchandise strike. I think it was the other way around with "The RGlll Experiment" people complain Kaep works out too much and doesn't spend enough time on his craft. RGlll is 10× worse than Kaep and Kaep had a very incompetent supporting cast of coaches around him. It was well documented that RGlll didn't think he needed to spend time in the film room. If that's the case what is he suppose to do with a selfish player who has a poor work ethic?

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If Shanny makes him Assistant HC then its a promotion and he can take the gig IIRC.

No it isn't. Assistant HC doesn't mean anything, its an honorary title. As far as the NFL is concerned, there are two types of coaches, head coach and then everyone else.

So whether you call a coach a QB coach, an offensive coordinator, a linebacker's coach, an assistant head coach, the GrandMaster of Defense, it's all the same thing as far as the NFL is concerned and would still be considered a lateral move.

So you can't hire a QB coach from another team to be your OC because that would be a lateral move by NFL standards?

No that is not a lateral move, the OC is definitely a promotion and they are allowed to steal an asst coach under contract for a promotion. And I'm believe that "asst head coach/OC" is a promotion and not a lateral move and thus would be allowed.

That's what I thought but figured I'd challenge Phoenix49ers statement anyway. A promotion is a promotion no matter how you look at it. That dude just can't stand the thought of Kyle coming here. I'll take Kyle or Marc Trestman as OC along with Shanahan as HC.

This is false, assist/position coach to OC or assist head coach in the eyes of the NFL is a lateral move and would not happen without the permission of the team. Just think back to when we blocked our DB coach from interviewing for a DC position on another team. Hiring another teams QB coach to OC is not allowed without permission of QB coach's team.

This. NFL rules differentiate between HC and all other coaching positions. Essentially, the team a coach works for has the right to block interview requests, unless the interview is for an assistant coach under consideration to be a HC. Independently from the rules, jumping from QB coach to OC would be considered professional progression, and many teams grant those requests, because many up-and-coming Assistants will avoid your organization if they know you will slow their professional growth.

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Based on what? The rumblings of people who have no idea whats going on?

Shanahan has already proven himself to be flawed. The way he handled his time in Washington was embarassing. Hes the safe pick for staying the way we are, but I highly doubt he improves us. He also has meltdown potential. Hes old, set in his ways, and would likely clash with Baalke over power over the roster.

Fans are getting all scared and developing the panicked opinion that Shanahan is the only option. Its not 1998, and we dont have a John Elway/Terrell Davis combo. Plugging Shanahan in isnt going to solve our issues.

It wont be petfect but it will solve our issues - inept offense.

I think modern NFL offense experts could solve our issues too. I was a Gase doubter until a few days ago. Theres a lot of opinions from highly respectable people in the game that think hes the premier next up and coming HC. They said his personality and coaching style is very fitting of a good head coach, so hes not just an X's and O's brain.

Sounds like hes a passionate leader who knows modern NFL offense as good as anyone in the game.

RGIII needed guidance and help stepping his game up. Shanahan failed at doing that, and then talked crap about him behind his back to the media. I dont see any reason why Shanahan would be able to get Kap to the next level as a QB.

When we first fired Harbaugh, I initially panicked and thought Shanahan was our only decent option because he was safe. After doing some research, I think Gase or McDaniels would be much better suited towards getting the offense where it needs to go in order to win us a Super Bowl.

If the FO chose Gase as their next HC you won't hear me complaining. If they hire McDaniels, I will go on a merchandise strike. I think it was the other way around with "The RGlll Experiment" people complain Kaep works out too much and doesn't spend enough time on his craft. RGlll is 10× worse than Kaep and Kaep had a very incompetent supporting cast of coaches around him. It was well documented that RGlll didn't think he needed to spend time in the film room. If that's the case what is he suppose to do with a selfish player who has a poor work ethic?

While I am not really on the Shanny boat...I question if anyone can succeed in Washington under that owner and with those players. I don't think it is coincidence that that team has been a mess for so many years. There is some deep seeded issues there starting at the very top. If anything I question the sanity of anyone who decides to go there as a career move unless they are motivated solely by the money.