Jim Tomsula FIRED thread

My biggest beef with this staff is actually on the defensive side of the ball.

You have the following DC/former DC experienced coaches on staff:
- Mangini
- Tarver
- Pendergast
- Lewis

That's about 50% of your defensive staff right there. And they are not playing to the strengths of this team that Fangio astutely ran. That's been the biggest disappointment when you still have continuity with Bowman, Reid, Bethea, Brooks, Wilhoite, Dorsey, Brock, and others that saw solid time over the past few seasons.

Originally posted by GEEK:
My biggest beef with this staff is actually on the defensive side of the ball.

You have the following DC/former DC experienced coaches on staff:
- Mangini
- Tarver
- Pendergast
- Lewis

That's about 50% of your defensive staff right there. And they are not playing to the strengths of this team that Fangio astutely ran. That's been the biggest disappointment when you still have continuity with Bowman, Reid, Bethea, Brooks, Wilhoite, Dorsey, Brock, and others that saw solid time over the past few seasons.

This. Fangio's scheme is a better fit for the personnel that the 49ers have. All the various zone looks that Mangini is calling would be great if the 49ers were the Rams and had a dominant 4 man pass rush, but they aren't and they don't.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Yeup. 1980 was his 2nd season, gave up 48 and 59 points in back-to-back weeks. Secondary was a big problem that year. I remember on America's Game they talked about watching film and not even seeing the DBs on the screen, they were getting burned so badly lol. That inspired them to take Lott, Wright, Williamson in the 1981 draft.

People talking about firing Tomsula already are jumping to conclusions way too quickly. He gets at least 2 years to prove he's the man for the job imo. We have some roster deficiencies that can't be solved until next off-season.

The difference is that this team is supposed to be very talented even with all of the offseason departures. At least this is what we kept being fed this offseason by posters on this board and beat writers that are friendly with the team. Given all the injuries and suspensions on defense last year (Willis, Aldon, Bowman, Brock, etc...), you could argue that the defensive talent on the field is not too far of a drop off from last year to this year. Our offense is the bigger of our 2 problems, but defensive this year has not looked good either.

Bill Walsh inherited a team that just went through an era that was darker than anything we've seen with Erickson, Nolan and Singletary. The talent level of that team was undeniably bad. There were certainly no claims about how deep/talented the 49ers roster was back then.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GEEK:
My biggest beef with this staff is actually on the defensive side of the ball.

You have the following DC/former DC experienced coaches on staff:
- Mangini
- Tarver
- Pendergast
- Lewis

That's about 50% of your defensive staff right there. And they are not playing to the strengths of this team that Fangio astutely ran. That's been the biggest disappointment when you still have continuity with Bowman, Reid, Bethea, Brooks, Wilhoite, Dorsey, Brock, and others that saw solid time over the past few seasons.

This. Fangio's scheme is a better fit for the personnel that the 49ers have. All the various zone looks that Mangini is calling would be great if the 49ers were the Rams and had a dominant 4 man pass rush, but they aren't and they don't.

The wars are still won in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

In a "Passing League" a team needs a Pass Rush to at the very least put lots of pressure on the QB.

On offense Kap very often doesn't have time to throw and the holes aren't there for Hyde.

The team is far, far better in man-to-man, I don't know why we're insisting on doing so much zone. I feel like we're in a soft prevent defense all game and that's infuriating. I know they need more time to mesh with the system but fans aren't going to have patience for that. Mine is already wearing extremely thin. I just don't know if zone is going to work. Heck, with all the pass-rushers we lost, I don't even know if 3-4 is going to work this year.

I doubt we switch to 4-3 though. All our guys have been engrossed in learning this 3-4 system and it's Armstead's best fit. We'll just have to re-stock the defense through the draft and free agency with all the cap space we have.

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by susweel:

Jim Tomsula on #49ers offense, "We're not going to stop the other team from scoring. We're not built that way. We're not built like other teams...


smh

what?

Originally posted by defenderDX:

You guys don't get it. We could be 3-0 and I'd still be making fun of him. Doesn't have to do with the fact we're losing.

since we are maybe you should consider that.

i thonk the last two games provided ample tape for staff to make adjustments. lets see if they do. baalke should get on the horn and engineer some help on the oline. maybe trade on or more of the 14 picks stockpiled for nwxt year to get someone who can help us now.

Jim Tomsula is the new Brady Hoch the media is attacking his football intelligence - Colin Cowherd

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
The team is far, far better in man-to-man, I don't know why we're insisting on doing so much zone. I feel like we're in a soft prevent defense all game and that's infuriating. I know they need more time to mesh with the system but fans aren't going to have patience for that. Mine is already wearing extremely thin. I just don't know if zone is going to work. Heck, with all the pass-rushers we lost, I don't even know if 3-4 is going to work this year.

I doubt we switch to 4-3 though. All our guys have been engrossed in learning this 3-4 system and it's Armstead's best fit. We'll just have to re-stock the defense through the draft and free agency with all the cap space we have.

This is what Im sayin! Cover 2 man seems like our calling. Brock and acker, and johnson, and even our safeties seem far better suited for this. We dont have the passrushers to run cover 2 and tampa 2 consistently. If we cant get to the qb atleast make them throw in to tight windows and have safeties on the back end to prevent big plays. This is what I loved about fangios defense, if the passrush wasnt going atleast the secondary would make it difficult for qb's. Im going to be shocked and pretty pissed if we try to pull this crap against the packers, they will slaughter us if we try to play zone, Aaron will put on a clinic.

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Jim Tomsula is the new Brady Hoch the media is attacking his football intelligence - Colin Cowherd

Uh oh, they might bring up his introductory pressor again.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GEEK:
My biggest beef with this staff is actually on the defensive side of the ball.

You have the following DC/former DC experienced coaches on staff:
- Mangini
- Tarver
- Pendergast
- Lewis

That's about 50% of your defensive staff right there. And they are not playing to the strengths of this team that Fangio astutely ran. That's been the biggest disappointment when you still have continuity with Bowman, Reid, Bethea, Brooks, Wilhoite, Dorsey, Brock, and others that saw solid time over the past few seasons.

This. Fangio's scheme is a better fit for the personnel that the 49ers have. All the various zone looks that Mangini is calling would be great if the 49ers were the Rams and had a dominant 4 man pass rush, but they aren't and they don't.

The personnel we had. We don't have a lot of those guys and we don't know if a lot of these guys will be any good. You can make a guess but so far the CB's and the whole secondary have been bad.

Originally posted by pd24:
The personnel we had. We don't have a lot of those guys and we don't know if a lot of these guys will be any good. You can make a guess but so far the CB's and the whole secondary have been bad.

No reason to think otherwise. Its not like they were bringing in world-beaters to play CB previously. Brock looked very good in that scheme, Cox was a guy who was cut by both the 49ers and Seattle in the same year and came back to make plays. Rogers was basically a rehab project. Culliver was a good prospect but could never play the ball in the air.

I have no trouble believing that guys like Acker and Johnson would look better in that sort of scheme, even if it s a bit more compex both of them got educated on it last year and Mangini just flushed it down the toilet.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by pd24:
The personnel we had. We don't have a lot of those guys and we don't know if a lot of these guys will be any good. You can make a guess but so far the CB's and the whole secondary have been bad.

No reason to think otherwise. Its not like they were bringing in world-beaters to play CB previously. Brock looked very good in that scheme, Cox was a guy who was cut by both the 49ers and Seattle in the same year and came back to make plays. Rogers was basically a rehab project. Culliver was a good prospect but could never play the ball in the air.

I have no trouble believing that guys like Acker and Johnson would look better in that sort of scheme, even if it s a bit more compex both of them got educated on it last year and Mangini just flushed it down the toilet.

We had elite pass rush with Fangio, it helped the secondary. We don't have those guys anymore and are getting lit up. Even with Fangio, when our pass rush took a hit due to an injured J Smith and Aldon, our secondary got lit up mostly from the New England game to the Superbowl.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Sombody get this man a clipboard.

Yeah. It's the lack of a CLIPBOARD that's a problem.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Interesting article notes that the last coach who lost back to back games as bad as tomsula was bill walsh in 1980, his first season.



I agree we can't go on losing by 40, but I also agree things need to play out more. Also, please tell him to stop analyzing game plan at pressers. Nobody wins there but our opponents next week.

His SECOND season.

After going 2-14 his first season.

BW would have never survived those two seasons going 8-24 in today's NFL.