The 49ers 2015 Coaching Staff Thread

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Thats the way I see it also a very talented staff. The only question mark is JT. We will find out.

That question mark happens to be the HC. (I'm hopeful, but not confident)

Also, Mangini was an unusual hire. Bright guy, but not particularly liked in league circles.

Logan sounds interesting as QB coach, but who knows how successful he'll be. He's had one job (as RB coach) in the NFl and been out of coaching altogether for three years.

You meen the same coach who described how to beat the seattle def. the week before the superbowl and then we got to watch new englands off. exicute the same strategy. Didnt sound like he had missed a step in that interview.

Sure, he sounds good on the radio. But why has he never coached QBs at an NFL level before? He's 62 years old...

Who would you have rather had?

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by mtl_49er:

meh fangio had a s**tty resume before he took over our talent.
you see what geep worked with in SD? the fact that they wren't last in all offensive categories is a plus in my book lol. that being said, if the rumors were true i would have loved to get shanny.

cant blame chud for staying with luck especially since its assumed pep gets an HC gig soon and chud would likely be next in line to coach luck

but quite frankly i have trust in trent. i'm happy the GM is running the show and he will keep us as contenders for a long time

I do agree that the talent we have on D should help Mangini - but we want a guy getting the best out of our players. I hope he bucks his trend of underachieving defenses.

Mangini, who won three Super Bowls with the Patriots, turned down defensive coordinator positions with the Miami Dolphins, Oakland Raiders and Cleveland Browns before accepting the role with New England in 2005.[7] Underachieving?

Posted this earlier:

The one year Mangini was the DC in NE (2005) they ranked 26th for yards allowed.

In 2004 (before he was DC) they ranked 9th

In 2006 (after he was gone) they ranked 6th

Did those patriots defenses have 2 all pro middle lbs, a guarantee double digit sack olb, a solid d line and secondary?

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I have been thinking a lot about the Niners coaching choices. The NFL was once a players league, with QB's calling all their own plays, and simple offenses, and defenses, where a discrepancy in talent on the field was very noticeable, owners loomed large, and spent big money, often coaching the team themselves. Then came the era of the great coaches, owners seeded the coaching to guys like Lombardi, who handled all the day to days, and the era of the great coach was born.

Since the salary cap era started some teams, have gone away fro the great coach, a coach is his own GM towards the great GM, Teams like the Steelers, the Ravens, and the Patriots, all have great front offices, constantly reloading the roster, handling the cap, and keeping them relevant. They have good, solid coaches known as motivators, and their players love them.

This new staff, and even the Singletary/Nolan staffs fit the mold of the great GM style of organization. If Baalkie does this right, perhaps he can elevate this team to constant relevance, and regular trips to the Super Bowl. It is my hope that going forward, Tomsula has enough success that other young coaches want to come here, and we can eventually "Lose" Mangini, and Geep, to other teams, and we can upgrade them. My hopes are there, my love of this team is there, unfortunately my convinced is not, prove me wrong Baalkie!

Hey, Bilick must read the webzone!

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2015/02/04/billick-on-49ers-coaching-changes-this-has-become-a-general-managers-league/

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Thats the way I see it also a very talented staff. The only question mark is JT. We will find out.

That question mark happens to be the HC. (I'm hopeful, but not confident)

Also, Mangini was an unusual hire. Bright guy, but not particularly liked in league circles.

Logan sounds interesting as QB coach, but who knows how successful he'll be. He's had one job (as RB coach) in the NFl and been out of coaching altogether for three years.

You meen the same coach who described how to beat the seattle def. the week before the superbowl and then we got to watch new englands off. exicute the same strategy. Didnt sound like he had missed a step in that interview.

Sure, he sounds good on the radio. But why has he never coached QBs at an NFL level before? He's 62 years old...

Who would you have rather had?

Not sure. Maybe Nathaniel Hackett?

Maybe whoever Chudzinski or Gase would have brought along

Originally posted by Izyniner:
You meen the same coach who described how to beat the seattle def. the week before the superbowl and then we got to watch new englands off. exicute the same strategy. Didnt sound like he had missed a step in that interview.

I'm still amazed that people are acting like he said something ground-breaking or new. It wasn't. People like Jaws and Gruden brought up the same tactics a year to two years ago.

There's nothing really complex about Seattle's defense, they just have a ton of talent and execute at a ridiculously high level. I don't think New England comes out the winner if they had to face a healthy Seahawks defense. How to beat their defense is no real mystery, going out there, executing and getting it done without turning the ball over, well, that's a whole other story.

Originally posted by slowriot:
Posted this earlier:

The one year Mangini was the DC in NE (2005) they ranked 26th for yards allowed.

In 2004 (before he was DC) they ranked 9th

In 2006 (after he was gone) they ranked 6th

The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

Originally posted by slowriot:
Not sure. Maybe Nathaniel Hackett?

Maybe whoever Chudzinski or Gase would have brought along

yea well who did they bring with them to their other head coaching job?

One thing I can say for sure about our new coaching staff is that it will be interesting. Don't know if good or bad, but that's what makes me interested as f**k for the season and it can't get here soon enough.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

Ok, that's good to know. And I guess he didn't have much talent to work with when in CLE or with the NYJ

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

Ok, that's good to know. And I guess he didn't have much talent to work with when in CLE or with the NYJ

Fangio has one stint of success before the niners with the NO D that had fantastic LBs. They went 12-2 and made the playoffs in 1987 where they gave up 44 points to Minnesota in a loss. They did have the best D in the NFL in 1991 but were one and done in the playoffs. But he's done quite well with the niners and all their talent. So to assume Mangini can't seems presumptive.

As mentioned before, he is a savant on defenses but does not have people skills...Tomsula will have to help him out. Maybe they can keep in a booth and let him communicate by phone.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

Ok, that's good to know. And I guess he didn't have much talent to work with when in CLE or with the NYJ

Fangio has one stint of success before the niners with the NO D that had fantastic LBs. They went 12-2 and made the playoffs in 1987 where they gave up 44 points to Minnesota in a loss. They did have the best D in the NFL in 1991 but were one and done in the playoffs. But he's done quite well with the niners and all their talent. So to assume Mangini can't seems presumptive.

As mentioned before, he is a savant on defenses but does not have people skills...Tomsula will have to help him out. Maybe they can keep in a booth and let him communicate by phone.

This is my hope. He is a very intelligent guy and has been referred to as a defensive savant. I'm hoping with the talent level of the niner d coupled with him learning a thing or 2 from previous experiences that he can flourish. I've said all along I think he will be boom or bust.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

Ok, that's good to know. And I guess he didn't have much talent to work with when in CLE or with the NYJ

Fangio has one stint of success before the niners with the NO D that had fantastic LBs. They went 12-2 and made the playoffs in 1987 where they gave up 44 points to Minnesota in a loss. They did have the best D in the NFL in 1991 but were one and done in the playoffs. But he's done quite well with the niners and all their talent. So to assume Mangini can't seems presumptive.

As mentioned before, he is a savant on defenses but does not have people skills...Tomsula will have to help him out. Maybe they can keep in a booth and let him communicate by phone.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2015/02/04/billick-on-49ers-coaching-changes-this-has-become-a-general-managers-league/

Originally posted by SoCold:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2015/02/04/billick-on-49ers-coaching-changes-this-has-become-a-general-managers-league/

I read this article... and you can't say the Fangio didn't have "one of" the most talented D's in history when he was with the Ravens. Again, Fangio is a good coach but his success must be contextualized.

Fact is, Belicheat and Carroll have done a lot more with less. So, Fangio is very good, but he's not on the "Buddy Ryan, Ray Rhodes, or even Seifert" level.

Originally posted by SoCold:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2015/02/04/billick-on-49ers-coaching-changes-this-has-become-a-general-managers-league/

The reality is that after the Houston debacle, the only place where Fangio would get a DC job is in college.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by slowriot:
Posted this earlier:

The one year Mangini was the DC in NE (2005) they ranked 26th for yards allowed.

In 2004 (before he was DC) they ranked 9th

In 2006 (after he was gone) they ranked 6th

The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

The same thing that happened to the Niners this season, except on a smaller scale, and the Pats had a large regression. However, Fangio kept this Defense top 5 with most of our premier players out.

I'm not saying your wrong. I hope Mangini can come in and not miss a beat, but to act like what Fangio did was only due to the players is a bit misguided.