The 49ers 2015 Coaching Staff Thread

Originally posted by SoCold:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2015/02/04/billick-on-49ers-coaching-changes-this-has-become-a-general-managers-league/

Billick--"Now, I'm biased because Vic worked for me in Baltimore."

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by slowriot:
Posted this earlier:

The one year Mangini was the DC in NE (2005) they ranked 26th for yards allowed.

In 2004 (before he was DC) they ranked 9th

In 2006 (after he was gone) they ranked 6th

The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

The same thing that happened to the Niners this season, except on a smaller scale, and the Pats had a large regression. However, Fangio kept this Defense top 5 with most of our premier players out.

I'm not saying your wrong. I hope Mangini can come in and not miss a beat, but to act like what Fangio did was only due to the players is a bit misguided.

not having our two best players was damanging

the 49ers started 4-2 (just like they did in 2013)
after Willis was out 4-6

Still being a top 5 D with 2nd 3rd and sometimes 4th string players, the coaching staff needs some respect for that.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

Ok, that's good to know. And I guess he didn't have much talent to work with when in CLE or with the NYJ

Fangio has one stint of success before the niners with the NO D that had fantastic LBs. They went 12-2 and made the playoffs in 1987 where they gave up 44 points to Minnesota in a loss. They did have the best D in the NFL in 1991 but were one and done in the playoffs. But he's done quite well with the niners and all their talent. So to assume Mangini can't seems presumptive.

As mentioned before, he is a savant on defenses but does not have people skills...Tomsula will have to help him out. Maybe they can keep in a booth and let him communicate by phone.

I feel he'll be allot more aggressive.

We'll see.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

Ok, that's good to know. And I guess he didn't have much talent to work with when in CLE or with the NYJ

Fangio has one stint of success before the niners with the NO D that had fantastic LBs. They went 12-2 and made the playoffs in 1987 where they gave up 44 points to Minnesota in a loss. They did have the best D in the NFL in 1991 but were one and done in the playoffs. But he's done quite well with the niners and all their talent. So to assume Mangini can't seems presumptive.

As mentioned before, he is a savant on defenses but does not have people skills...Tomsula will have to help him out. Maybe they can keep in a booth and let him communicate by phone.

I feel he'll be allot more aggressive.

We'll see.

Hope so! I loved the defensive staff...all of them. But we can't just assume Mangini is not going to be good because he's hard to like. The combination of Tomsula and Mangini may work out to be the most dominant in the NFL...or not! That's one of the joys of sports--the unknowable!

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by slowriot:
Posted this earlier:

The one year Mangini was the DC in NE (2005) they ranked 26th for yards allowed.

In 2004 (before he was DC) they ranked 9th

In 2006 (after he was gone) they ranked 6th

The difference is that in 2005 they went through an insane spate of injuries, they were missing guys all over the place, they started so many different guys on defense that year that they set a new NFL record for different starters.

The same thing that happened to the Niners this season, except on a smaller scale, and the Pats had a large regression. However, Fangio kept this Defense top 5 with most of our premier players out.

I'm not saying your wrong. I hope Mangini can come in and not miss a beat, but to act like what Fangio did was only due to the players is a bit misguided.

not having our two best players was damanging

the 49ers started 4-2 (just like they did in 2013)
after Willis was out 4-6

Still being a top 5 D with 2nd 3rd and sometimes 4th string players, the coaching staff needs some respect for that.

Yeah...D was special to keep going the way they did with all of those injuries, but they still really missed Navorro and Pat. Borland had a great rookie year, but there were a few times where his measurable were apparent...particularly against Marshawn. Not a knock on the guy as Marshawn does that to a lot of people, but as much as I like Borland, he's not Navorro or Pat.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SoCold:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2015/02/04/billick-on-49ers-coaching-changes-this-has-become-a-general-managers-league/

Billick--"Now, I'm biased because Vic worked for me in Baltimore."

You know what else is funny... he basically stated Newsom made all the decisions... says a lot about a guy that was an offensive coach and coached a SB team that could only play defense.

Sounds familiar...

Originally posted by Geeked:
You know what else is funny... he basically stated Newsom made all the decisions... says a lot about a guy that was an offensive coach and coached a SB team that could only play defense.

Sounds familiar...

Yeah, sounds like Jon Gruden.

Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN

Ex-49ers LB coach Jim Leavitt will be Colorado's new defensive coordinator, reports @FootballScoop.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Geeked:
You know what else is funny... he basically stated Newsom made all the decisions... says a lot about a guy that was an offensive coach and coached a SB team that could only play defense.

Sounds familiar...

Yeah, sounds like Jon Gruden.

Ya, you have a point.

Bryan Fischer ‏@BryanDFischer
Strange that Jim Leavitt gets college DC gig before Clancy Pendergast (who replaces JL in SF). CP may not be crootin All-Star but he knows D

FootballScoop Staff ‏@FootballScoop
@BryanDFischer Clancy was offered college DC positions but wanted to get back into the league. Recruiting isn't for everyone.

Bryan Fischer ‏@BryanDFischer
@FootballScoop yeah, I know he was offered some but quality of some of offers didn't seem to match his rep…

FootballScoop Staff ‏@FootballScoop
@BryanDFischer the job he accepted pays less than half of some he was offered. Just didn't want to recruit is what I'm told.

Bryan Fischer ‏@BryanDFischer
@FootballScoop knew he took less but last nugget is interesting

Originally posted by 9erReign:
We have little idea how much talent will be on the roster in 2015. Losing Crabtree, Iupati, Gore, Vernon, Brooks, Justin could be a huge blow. Add in the question marks surrounding Willis and Bow. Aldon could easily be gone too. Should be an interesting offseason.

Good point. I hope we have a lot of talent left, however, my fear is that the window of opportunity closed on some great veterans while Harbaugh was "imposing his will."

There is a thin edge when a team has some very good young players still on their inexpensive rookie contracts to balance the contracts of star players eating up a lot of cap. Right now we have a lot of good players coming up for new contracts with few established young players to offset their loss if the FO can't resign them.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9erReign:
We have little idea how much talent will be on the roster in 2015. Losing Crabtree, Iupati, Gore, Vernon, Brooks, Justin could be a huge blow. Add in the question marks surrounding Willis and Bow. Aldon could easily be gone too. Should be an interesting offseason.

Good point. I hope we have a lot of talent left, however, my fear is that the window of opportunity closed on some great veterans while Harbaugh was "imposing his will."

There is a thin edge when a team has some very good young players still on their inexpensive rookie contracts to balance the contracts of star players eating up a lot of cap. Right now we have a lot of good players coming up for new contracts with few established young players to offset their loss if the FO can't resign them.

well, if we have vets leave, then its time for other vets to take their spots. maybe they are high profile no brainer guys like willis and bowman,,, maybe its other guys like dorsey and hunter, still got boldin so we will be ok that way even if gore and country leave. yep losing those vets" is a problem but problems are meant to be solved.". ben cartwright bonanza era 1963

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9erReign:
We have little idea how much talent will be on the roster in 2015. Losing Crabtree, Iupati, Gore, Vernon, Brooks, Justin could be a huge blow. Add in the question marks surrounding Willis and Bow. Aldon could easily be gone too. Should be an interesting offseason.

Good point. I hope we have a lot of talent left, however, my fear is that the window of opportunity closed on some great veterans while Harbaugh was "imposing his will."

There is a thin edge when a team has some very good young players still on their inexpensive rookie contracts to balance the contracts of star players eating up a lot of cap. Right now we have a lot of good players coming up for new contracts with few established young players to offset their loss if the FO can't resign them.

the roster is loaded. how much talent? an incredible amount of talent even with free agency looming just by the people we have signed ...

Originally posted by 9erReign:
We have little idea how much talent will be on the roster in 2015. Losing Crabtree, Iupati, Gore, Vernon, Brooks, Justin could be a huge blow. Add in the question marks surrounding Willis and Bow. Aldon could easily be gone too. Should be an interesting offseason.

Aldon Smith isn't going anywhere this year. They'll watch how he acts for half the season and that will dictate how aggressive they are with trying to extend his contract. I think you're right about Crabtree, Iupati and Brooks. But in my mind, the team already has contingencies for all of them. I think they've already drafted Iupati and Brooks replacements and I think they'll draft a stud receiver in the first round this year.

Good reddens Jim harbaugh. With talent we had at running back alone, we should have been a top 15 offense. What wasted years of only being able to have success running based solely off of trap plays. So happy we got that HS OC da f**k out.

4 years of wasted talent on offense.