The 49ers 2015 Coaching Staff Thread

Originally posted by prime21:
even with the low-torque offense, Harbs and staff would've have won us multiple super bowls if allowed another 5 years.

I believe this too. Maybe not multiple SBs, that's hard as hell to do, but I definitely think Harbs would have brought us a Lombardi eventually.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by prime21:
even with the low-torque offense, Harbs and staff would've have won us multiple super bowls if allowed another 5 years.

I believe this too. Maybe not multiple SBs, that's hard as hell to do, but I definitely think Harbs would have brought us a Lombardi eventually.

It's possible but with the offense sputtering I'm not sure the players would have stayed on board. I guess you could argue that if Jed/Baalke had just left JH alone and given him total support...

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
I think he means being in charge of the entire team and not just his specialty. However he said it himself players want teachers. we have to admit that this coaching staff from top to bottom is filled with teachers. Not just names, not the sexy named guys. Guys that are known teachers, most who have held higher positions. Guys who players know they're getting great instructions. Our guys don't really need motivation. Motivation only lasted so long.. as seen by Harbaugh. The players did not quit on him but the motivation wasn't enough to get us over the hump. We needed x's and o's and we didn't have that. Maybe now we do. The players on this team want to win, they work hard and they love Tomsula. Now with some proper instruction, especially on the offensive side of the ball we could be even better than we were the past 4 years..

Not sure how you could know that. We have no idea if most of these coaches are "teachers". Is Geep Chryst a teacher? Judging from his work with Kap if he is one he is not a very good teacher. Is Eric Mangini a teacher? I guess he was a good DB coach in NE, but he has failed at every other job. Is Steve Logan a good teacher? IDK he sounds great on the radio, but what does that really mean? Is Jason Tarver a good teacher? Not sure he was a very good OLB coach with the 49ers and he definitely wasn't a good DC. Chris Foerster track record isn't that good. Judging form his history Clancy Pendergast seems better suited for DB coach then ILB coach but with this team its a pretty easy job. Scott Brown hasn't coached in 4 years.

Chryst is a good teacher, compare Kaps mechanics and footwork to his peers.. he is only rivaled by Luck. No awkward backward passes from a normal pocket (Cam, Wilson, Rg3) and when given adequate time he sees the entire field...displayed on numerous miraculous plays across the entire field (Crabtree 4th and 10 for 50 yards comes to mind) Chryst was not in charge of calling the plays or constructing the offense just making sure Kap was sound and followed what Roman wanted him to do.

Mangini is a great defensive mind by all accounts. Nobody says different. He is just not a head coach. If he was our head coach i would be upset. He is our defensive coordinator and you must admit a man with his defensive background and mind given this amount of talent should be able to do some good. Fangio was able to right? He also would be better served as the DC than the tight ends coach right?

Logan has had success everywhere he's went. He had success with Tomsula actually. He's taken a school not known for football and made it prominent in college football as a head coach. He also turned Matt Ryan from a marginal pick to a 1st round ready made NFL starter.

Tarver was a very good coach. The raiders defense actually improved under him with the gross lack of talent they had. Consider they were starting corners that we cut because they were ineffective. Add in and aged Woodson and old tuck and only Khalil Mack, nobody is a miracle worker and with these linebackers he doesn't have to be.

Foerster can't be any worse than the guys we've had the past 4 years as we've seen them be really good at trap blocking and pulling and absolutely nothing else.


Pender got offers to be a defensive coordinator in college but turned them down to coach here. Before you say whoopty do, our old guy Leavitt took a job as a defensive coordinator in college otherwise he would be here with us.

And our Defensive backs coach has true pedigree in turning defensive backs around and improving them, teaching them the game. he played the position and held a defensive coordinator position leading a few great defenses.

So yes i would say i could confidently say from top to bottom we have a teaching coaching staff
wouldn't you?

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by prime21:
even with the low-torque offense, Harbs and staff would've have won us multiple super bowls if allowed another 5 years.

I believe this too. Maybe not multiple SBs, that's hard as hell to do, but I definitely think Harbs would have brought us a Lombardi eventually.

How? The offense was the exact same it was 4 years ago which is why everyone caught on to it. Roman and Harbs had the same problems they had from year 1 but got worst in year 4.
Late clock, brain fart drive calls, lack of red zone effectiveness burning timeouts and it turned into zero 2nd half adjustments for the most part and regressing back to the well of things they like to do which other teams know at this point and prepared for after 4 years of tape.

you really want to see the same thing for another 5 years? talent cannot overcome some things.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Chryst is a good teacher, compare Kaps mechanics and footwork to his peers.. he is only rivaled by Luck. No awkward backward passes from a normal pocket (Cam, Wilson, Rg3) and when given adequate time he sees the entire field...displayed on numerous miraculous plays across the entire field (Crabtree 4th and 10 for 50 yards comes to mind) Chryst was not in charge of calling the plays or constructing the offense just making sure Kap was sound and followed what Roman wanted him to do.

Mangini is a great defensive mind by all accounts. Nobody says different. He is just not a head coach. If he was our head coach i would be upset. He is our defensive coordinator and you must admit a man with his defensive background and mind given this amount of talent should be able to do some good. Fangio was able to right? He also would be better served as the DC than the tight ends coach right?

Logan has had success everywhere he's went. He had success with Tomsula actually. He's taken a school not known for football and made it prominent in college football as a head coach. He also turned Matt Ryan from a marginal pick to a 1st round ready made NFL starter.

Tarver was a very good coach. The raiders defense actually improved under him with the gross lack of talent they had. Consider they were starting corners that we cut because they were ineffective. Add in and aged Woodson and old tuck and only Khalil Mack, nobody is a miracle worker and with these linebackers he doesn't have to be.

Foerster can't be any worse than the guys we've had the past 4 years as we've seen them be really good at trap blocking and pulling and absolutely nothing else.


Pender got offers to be a defensive coordinator in college but turned them down to coach here. Before you say whoopty do, our old guy Leavitt took a job as a defensive coordinator in college otherwise he would be here with us.

And our Defensive backs coach has true pedigree in turning defensive backs around and improving them, teaching them the game. he played the position and held a defensive coordinator position leading a few great defenses.

So yes i would say i could confidently say from top to bottom we have a teaching coaching staff
wouldn't you?

Originally posted by prime21:
even with the low-torque offense, Harbs and staff would've have won us multiple super bowls if allowed another 5 years.

you know...as frustrated as i was with the offense.....I agree with you.

Harbaugh was never going to be here another 5 years. Clear as day he wanted total personnel power. The fact he couldn't fix the offense in 4 years when it's his speciality makes it unlikely he would fix it while having to run the personnel side as well.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Harbaugh was never going to be here another 5 years. Clear as day he wanted total personnel power. The fact he couldn't fix the offense in 4 years when it's his speciality makes it unlikely he would fix it while having to run the personnel side as well.

huh? total power? He isn't power hungry, not like other guys out there that demand to be GM and HC.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Chryst is a good teacher, compare Kaps mechanics and footwork to his peers.. he is only rivaled by Luck. No awkward backward passes from a normal pocket (Cam, Wilson, Rg3) and when given adequate time he sees the entire field...displayed on numerous miraculous plays across the entire field (Crabtree 4th and 10 for 50 yards comes to mind) Chryst was not in charge of calling the plays or constructing the offense just making sure Kap was sound and followed what Roman wanted him to do.

Mangini is a great defensive mind by all accounts. Nobody says different. He is just not a head coach. If he was our head coach i would be upset. He is our defensive coordinator and you must admit a man with his defensive background and mind given this amount of talent should be able to do some good. Fangio was able to right? He also would be better served as the DC than the tight ends coach right?

Logan has had success everywhere he's went. He had success with Tomsula actually. He's taken a school not known for football and made it prominent in college football as a head coach. He also turned Matt Ryan from a marginal pick to a 1st round ready made NFL starter.

Tarver was a very good coach. The raiders defense actually improved under him with the gross lack of talent they had. Consider they were starting corners that we cut because they were ineffective. Add in and aged Woodson and old tuck and only Khalil Mack, nobody is a miracle worker and with these linebackers he doesn't have to be.

Foerster can't be any worse than the guys we've had the past 4 years as we've seen them be really good at trap blocking and pulling and absolutely nothing else.


Pender got offers to be a defensive coordinator in college but turned them down to coach here. Before you say whoopty do, our old guy Leavitt took a job as a defensive coordinator in college otherwise he would be here with us.

And our Defensive backs coach has true pedigree in turning defensive backs around and improving them, teaching them the game. he played the position and held a defensive coordinator position leading a few great defenses.

So yes i would say i could confidently say from top to bottom we have a teaching coaching staff
wouldn't you?

I have to disagree with Logan, he was out of football for 3 yrs, and was last a RBs coach. Chryst did crap for Kap as QB coach, I don't see him doing great things, maybe good things. Mangini had one of the worst Defenses as DC. Forester was a terrible OL coach for us when he was last here.

The only coaches I'm ok with are Lewis and Pendgrast. The rest are failed OC, DC, and HCs. Chryst and Mangini were bottom of the barrel guys IMO. There were no one else out there that would take the job, they got turned down by numerous guys.

I fear we are on track for sub 500 seasons for the next 10 years, until Jed realizes he isn't cut out for being an Owner or CEO, he surely isn't Robert Kraftm at least he would never fire Belchick like Jed fired Harbs. He held a grudge, and let that ruin a great thing we had with Harbs. No way would Paul Allen fire Carroll, as much of an ass he is, Carroll is a damn good HC.

Also I believe Chyst was in charge of redzone offense if I remember correctly reading that.

Worst coaching staff in the league. I'm only intrigued with Logan.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Harbaugh was never going to be here another 5 years. Clear as day he wanted total personnel power. The fact he couldn't fix the offense in 4 years when it's his speciality makes it unlikely he would fix it while having to run the personnel side as well.

huh? total power? He isn't power hungry, not like other guys out there that demand to be GM and HC.

He never complained about power and when hired said he was happy to leave the personnel work with Baalke. I believe there were divisions but they were not between Baalke and Harbaugh. Not cooperating with Jed and Marathe on the Levi ribbon cutting ceremony is a pretty obvious sign of what the issues were. The two locker rooms were a further sign of the same issues.

Power hungry? No. Obsessed with football 24/7 to the exclusion of politics? Yes. And whether he liked it or not there is always an element of politics in being a HC unless you have a very understanding owner and GM who shield you from it. When you are the marque name for the organization politics become even more important.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by prime21:
even with the low-torque offense, Harbs and staff would've have won us multiple super bowls if allowed another 5 years.

you know...as frustrated as i was with the offense.....I agree with you.

Yep. +1. This team had belief under Harbaugh. Bonafide winners. The D was great every year under Fangio. Right now we're left wondering whether the offense AND defense can perform at a level required to win SBs.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I have to disagree with Logan, he was out of football for 3 yrs, and was last a RBs coach. Chryst did crap for Kap as QB coach, I don't see him doing great things, maybe good things. Mangini had one of the worst Defenses as DC. Forester was a terrible OL coach for us when he was last here.

The only coaches I'm ok with are Lewis and Pendgrast. The rest are failed OC, DC, and HCs. Chryst and Mangini were bottom of the barrel guys IMO. There were no one else out there that would take the job, they got turned down by numerous guys.

I fear we are on track for sub 500 seasons for the next 10 years, until Jed realizes he isn't cut out for being an Owner or CEO, he surely isn't Robert Kraftm at least he would never fire Belchick like Jed fired Harbs. He held a grudge, and let that ruin a great thing we had with Harbs. No way would Paul Allen fire Carroll, as much of an ass he is, Carroll is a damn good HC.

Also I believe Chyst was in charge of redzone offense if I remember correctly reading that.

Logan had no reason to come back now. he came back because of the right opportunity. He was last a rb coach sure but you say that and ignore his track record with everything else he's done.

You can try to marginalize Chryst but the things he was in charge of, mainly mechanics and carrying out what Roman wanted he did his job.
Mangini had one of the worst defenses, and you leave out that the team he was in charge of was completely depleted the year he coached them which explains why his numbers looked so much different than the year before and after him but let's ignore that right?

and with all of this talent being mismanaged we were 8-8 and now we're going to be sub .500 for the next 10 years?
alright, i know where you stand in this. ignore that these guys are intelligent. ignore that the talent they're coaching now is the most talent they've ever had... just ignore what vic was when he signed up 4 years ago.

sub .500 for the next 10 years

gotcha.

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by prime21:
even with the low-torque offense, Harbs and staff would've have won us multiple super bowls if allowed another 5 years.

you know...as frustrated as i was with the offense.....I agree with you.

Yep. +1. This team had belief under Harbaugh. Bonafide winners. The D was great every year under Fangio. Right now we're left wondering whether the offense AND defense can perform at a level required to win SBs.

we don't play on sundays. the people that do love Tomsula. so who's feelings are more important?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I have to disagree with Logan, he was out of football for 3 yrs, and was last a RBs coach. Chryst did crap for Kap as QB coach, I don't see him doing great things, maybe good things. Mangini had one of the worst Defenses as DC. Forester was a terrible OL coach for us when he was last here.

The only coaches I'm ok with are Lewis and Pendgrast. The rest are failed OC, DC, and HCs. Chryst and Mangini were bottom of the barrel guys IMO. There were no one else out there that would take the job, they got turned down by numerous guys.

I fear we are on track for sub 500 seasons for the next 10 years, until Jed realizes he isn't cut out for being an Owner or CEO, he surely isn't Robert Kraftm at least he would never fire Belchick like Jed fired Harbs. He held a grudge, and let that ruin a great thing we had with Harbs. No way would Paul Allen fire Carroll, as much of an ass he is, Carroll is a damn good HC.

Also I believe Chyst was in charge of redzone offense if I remember correctly reading that.

Logan's quote about preferring mobility over accuracy wasn't a selling point for me either. Chryst and Logan are here because York isn't interested in pushing the development of Kap. Seems to me he wants to run him into the ground while the defense is intact. I understand making it easier for a young QB, but you do that with quality OCs more than you do running him around.

Mangini is a piece of work but I think he has the capability of producing some results with our D, especially with Tomsula as a buffer for the defense and whatever crazy stuff Mangini might be capable of.