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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Kuya:
Worst coaching staff in the league. I'm only intrigued with Logan.


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Wait....so 4 guys left from Harbaugh regime (Tomsula, Mangini, Chryst, Rathman) and the addition of Pendergast, Tarver, Sparano, and Lewis: all ex-coordinators moving back to being position coaches = "Worst Coaching Staff in the League".

Right.

You can say that the guys at the top (HC, OC, DC) could be called into question, but that's a damn good position coach staff with a ton of experience to help the Coordinators. There are also two ex-Head Coaches on staff.

I know it's not popular to not thing the world is ending around here and I wish Harbaugh had stayed, but ain't nearly as bead as people say it is. Not by a long shot.

The only hire that I'm really not sure about is Chryst...but we'll see what happens. Harbaugh really liked him and the Niners liked him enough to prevent him from interviewing elsewhere.

plus Curry and Mick makes 6 from the Harbaugh Regime. And technically, Tomsula/Rathman were before the Harbaugh Regime.
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!

I know I'll be having fun next year... Quoting posts in this forum...

Too bad the Keap v1.0 thread was shut down. There was plenty of argument shutdown material posted there.
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!

they can not wait,, they have to be forward thinking
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Kuya:
Worst coaching staff in the league. I'm only intrigued with Logan.


............

Wait....so 4 guys left from Harbaugh regime (Tomsula, Mangini, Chryst, Rathman) and the addition of Pendergast, Tarver, Sparano, and Lewis: all ex-coordinators moving back to being position coaches = "Worst Coaching Staff in the League".

Right.

You can say that the guys at the top (HC, OC, DC) could be called into question, but that's a damn good position coach staff with a ton of experience to help the Coordinators. There are also two ex-Head Coaches on staff.

I know it's not popular to not thing the world is ending around here and I wish Harbaugh had stayed, but ain't nearly as bead as people say it is. Not by a long shot.

The only hire that I'm really not sure about is Chryst...but we'll see what happens. Harbaugh really liked him and the Niners liked him enough to prevent him from interviewing elsewhere.

plus Curry and Mick makes 6 from the Harbaugh Regime. And technically, Tomsula/Rathman were before the Harbaugh Regime.


I know on Tomsula/Rathman, but Harbaugh liked them enough to keep them for 4 years. Mick? My memory is failing...
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!

they can not wait,, they have to be forward thinking


Correct...better to be out in front of the suckage argument in order to cry "I told you so" should they be right. Because...really...being right is what's important here.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!

they can not wait,, they have to be forward thinking


Correct...better to be out in front of the suckage argument in order to cry "I told you so" should they be right. Because...really...being right is what's important here.

LOL! OK, OK...I've been corrected and see the errors of my ways! Not sure why, if ever, I'd enjoy being negative about a hobby. Should I go to my shop and yell at the cherry boards that have cracks in them? "You under performing, injured or damaged players get out of my shop! You tools...why didn't you teach them to be more structurally sound!" Then I could tell my wife, "See, I told you buying wood at that lumberyard was a bad idea!"
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!

they can not wait,, they have to be forward thinking


Correct...better to be out in front of the suckage argument in order to cry "I told you so" should they be right. Because...really...being right is what's important here.

LOL! OK, OK...I've been corrected and see the errors of my ways! Not sure why, if ever, I'd enjoy being negative about a hobby. Should I go to my shop and yell at the cherry boards that have cracks in them? "You under performing, injured or damaged players get out of my shop! You tools...why didn't you teach them to be more structurally sound!" Then I could tell my wife, "See, I told you buying wood at that lumberyard was a bad idea!"
good lord dtg,, i bet xmas morning at your house is like xmas morning at the gambino household
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!

they can not wait,, they have to be forward thinking


Correct...better to be out in front of the suckage argument in order to cry "I told you so" should they be right. Because...really...being right is what's important here.

LOL! OK, OK...I've been corrected and see the errors of my ways! Not sure why, if ever, I'd enjoy being negative about a hobby. Should I go to my shop and yell at the cherry boards that have cracks in them? "You under performing, injured or damaged players get out of my shop! You tools...why didn't you teach them to be more structurally sound!" Then I could tell my wife, "See, I told you buying wood at that lumberyard was a bad idea!"
good lord dtg,, i bet xmas morning at your house is like xmas morning at the gambino household

Fo get boutit!
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I have to disagree with Logan, he was out of football for 3 yrs, and was last a RBs coach. Chryst did crap for Kap as QB coach, I don't see him doing great things, maybe good things. Mangini had one of the worst Defenses as DC. Forester was a terrible OL coach for us when he was last here.

The only coaches I'm ok with are Lewis and Pendgrast. The rest are failed OC, DC, and HCs. Chryst and Mangini were bottom of the barrel guys IMO. There were no one else out there that would take the job, they got turned down by numerous guys.

I fear we are on track for sub 500 seasons for the next 10 years, until Jed realizes he isn't cut out for being an Owner or CEO, he surely isn't Robert Kraftm at least he would never fire Belchick like Jed fired Harbs. He held a grudge, and let that ruin a great thing we had with Harbs. No way would Paul Allen fire Carroll, as much of an ass he is, Carroll is a damn good HC.

Also I believe Chyst was in charge of redzone offense if I remember correctly reading that.

I don't like seeing you this way, man. I know you've been down on the team's moves for a while, so I'll try to hit your points and see if you can see something positive:

Logan has a better history than Harbaugh of developing QBs, if you figure that he helped develop Matt Ryan (Ryan's best college season), he developed Jeff Blake and David Garrard for the NFL at ECU, and he got pretty significant improvement out of at least two NFLE QBs. His explanation of how to beat Seattle's defense was proven correct by the Pats, and HaRoman never even tried it.

Mangini was only a DC for one year, and NE had 3 more guys on IR that year than we did this year, even after Ty Law retired (most of them on defense), and the DB turnover was insane (10 guys started at DB, IIRC). The job he did didn't light up the stat sheet, but it minimized damage done by a huge decrease in talent, and allowed the Pats to continue winning games. His failings as a HC illustrated leadership deficiencies, which is why he's not a HC anymore. Even the players in NY and CLE who hated his guts say he's the smartest football guy they've ever spoken with.

I see the position coaches with coordinator and HC experience as a great thing. While they might not have been great HCs, you rarely get a shot as a HC unless you're a badass coordinator and/or position coach. The fact that most of these guys were so successful at what we are asking them to do now that they got a chance at HC says thay should still be great position coaches.

Foerster stunk because Nolan and SIngletary are idiots on offense. They took a ZBS guy and made him run and coach up a power scheme on the line. That's like being mad when a WR sucks at pass blocking.

Chryst was not the first choice, for sure, but the red zone coordinator stuff is overblown Cohn Crap. HaRoman called the plays, with other coaches researching specific situations and drawing up plays for them. Geep drew up a lot of RZ plays, which encourages me actually. We had a lot of creative, deceptive plays in the RZ that got guys open in limited space. Unfortunately, we rarely saw any of these plays used more than once (that's on the play caller, not the play designer). Because Harbaugh was the go-between on playcalls, it's impossible to discern which calls were on Harbaugh and which ones were on Roman, but that doesn't matter: those guys are gone. There really isn't much reason for ex-49ers to support Tomsula and Chryst, but they have, which should be encouraging. Guys like Boldin are way too good of football players to worry about any repercussions from speaking freely, and they also sound excited to be back (big difference from VD holding ou last year to mentioning how much he loves Tomsula and that he will be at the first offseason practice).

I think we are well over .500 this year, as the talent should be much better, the drama is gone, and Tomsula is all about letting players do what they do best (we've been screaming for this change for years).
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
Logan's quote about preferring mobility over accuracy wasn't a selling point for me either. Chryst and Logan are here because York isn't interested in pushing the development of Kap. Seems to me he wants to run him into the ground while the defense is intact. I understand making it easier for a young QB, but you do that with quality OCs more than you do running him around.

Mangini is a piece of work but I think he has the capability of producing some results with our D, especially with Tomsula as a buffer for the defense and whatever crazy stuff Mangini might be capable of.

Pretty sure this comment by Logan was rooted in the belief that it doesn't matter how well you throw if you are already on your back. From that point of view, I agree.
We are so fortunate to have this staff. We had to fight off so many other teams to get these guys to come here. We should all count our blessings!
I totally understand being skeptical and even slanting towards the negative b/c of how the "process" went. I get that. Truly. I get that right now, there are a lot of unknowns on this coaching staff and there is a lot of separation anxiety with many fans b/c the names they DID know, are now gone (HaRoman, Fangio, Donatell, etc.). And the names they did know, we didn't go after or closed the deal (or opted out). Harbaugh grabbed a couple low-level guys, two others went to the Bears, another to the Bills, most back to college, etc. Really, at the end of the day, only Fangio got his man in Donatell for a legit NFL job. Even Roman is nothing more than a running coordinator. Harbaugh is back in college where he belongs IMHO.

Now, we turn the page and when you really start to break these coaches down, a theme that Eric Davis alluded to starts to stand out..."experienced teachers." We heard the presser re: class and teachers. So far, the only guy with class-like conditions may be our DC and as a DC, I sort of want that "edge." The FO personnel and coaches you see below are all very experienced and have either worked their way up to HC and or held a Coordinator position. Now look at the guys below them. Many of the position coaches seem to be very experienced...experienced enough to move up the in-house corporate ladder as well..just like Tomsula, Mangini and Chryst did. We've seen that SAME model with our player personnel. And I still don't think the hiring process is over yet either.

The guys we have questions about all have experience in the roles they are in now. Tomsula as a HC in NFL Europe. Both Mangini and Chryst in DC and OC stints. But what I like best about these three is that coaches grow and develop and evolve over time, just like players do. How many times have you seen a player go from our team and then shine somewhere else (Lockette, Ginn, Cooper, etc.). The flip side has been the same (Whitner, Bethea, Dorsey, etc.). Sometimes that second g-round, to the right place, after additional time to grow and develop, is EXACTLY what a player OR coach needs. And with these three, all of them have been here for 2+ years and they know this personnel better than anyone. Like Logan said, collectively, they get to jump over the communication platform and head straight to the car wash to let this Corvette go.

I'm ready to give these guys a chance...round 2...they're ready and they have something to prove. And I like that!

Front Office:
Tom Gamble - Personnel Executive
Jim Tomsula for Jim Harbaugh - Head Coach
Bill Nayes - Tomsula's b***h

Defense:
Eric Mangini for Vic Fangio - Defensive Coordinator
Jason Tarver for Jim Leavitt (Released) - Linebackers Coach/Sr. Defensive Assistant
Clancy Pendegrast - Inside Linebackers Coach
Ejiro Evero for Greg Jackson (Michigan) - Assistant Secondary Coach/Defensive Assistant (Retained)
Aubrayo Franklin - Defensive Assistant/Entry Level
Tim Lewis for Ed Donatell (Bears) - Secondary Coach
Scott Brown for Jim Tomsula (Promoted to HC) - Defensive Line Coach

Offense:
Geep Chryst for Greg Roman (Bills) - Offensive Coordinator
Steve Logan for Geep Chryst (Promoted to OC) - Quarterbacks Coach
Mick Lombardi - Offensive Assistant (Retained)
Tom Rathman - Running Backs Coach (Retained)
Chris Foerster for Mike Solari (Released) - Offensive Line Coach
Eric Wolford - Offensive Line Assistant
Tony Sparano for Eric Mangini (Promoted to DC) - Tight Ends Coach
Ronald Curry for John Morton (Michigan) - Wide Receivers Coach/Offensive Assistant

Special Teams:
Thomas McGaughey for Brad Seely (Released) - Special Teams Coordinator
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Originally posted by NCommand:
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Front Office:
Tom Gamble - Personnel Executive
Jim Tomsula for Jim Harbaugh - Head Coach
Bill Nayes - Tomsula's b***h

Defense:
Eric Mangini for Vic Fangio - Defensive Coordinator
Jason Tarver for Jim Leavitt (Released) - Linebackers Coach/Sr. Defensive Assistant
Clancy Pendegrast - Inside Linebackers Coach
Ejiro Evero for Greg Jackson (Michigan) - Assistant Secondary Coach/Defensive Assistant (Retained)
Aubrayo Franklin - Defensive Assistant/Entry Level
Tim Lewis for Ed Donatell (Bears) - Secondary Coach
Scott Brown for Jim Tomsula (Promoted to HC) - Defensive Line Coach

Offense:
Geep Chryst for Greg Roman (Bills) - Offensive Coordinator
Steve Logan for Geep Chryst (Promoted to OC) - Quarterbacks Coach
Mick Lombardi - Offensive Assistant (Retained)
Tom Rathman - Running Backs Coach (Retained)
Chris Foerster for Mike Solari (Released) - Offensive Line Coach
Eric Wolford - Offensive Line Assistant
Tony Sparano for Eric Mangini (Promoted to DC) - Tight Ends Coach
Ronald Curry for John Morton (Michigan) - Wide Receivers Coach/Offensive Assistant

Special Teams:
Thomas McGaughey for Brad Seely (Released) - Special Teams Coordinator

In Bold - HOLY CRAPSPACKLE ...... I'm not worried about the D anymore. How did I miss this.


Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
Logan's quote about preferring mobility over accuracy wasn't a selling point for me either. Chryst and Logan are here because York isn't interested in pushing the development of Kap. Seems to me he wants to run him into the ground while the defense is intact. I understand making it easier for a young QB, but you do that with quality OCs more than you do running him around.

Mangini is a piece of work but I think he has the capability of producing some results with our D, especially with Tomsula as a buffer for the defense and whatever crazy stuff Mangini might be capable of.

Pretty sure this comment by Logan was rooted in the belief that it doesn't matter how well you throw if you are already on your back. From that point of view, I agree.

Yeah...people who think badly of Logan based on that quote are really missing the point.

In the interview he gave AFTER he was hired he said his 1st and 2nd most important attributes of a QB were Accuracy and Decision making. He is tho a HUGE fan of mobile QBs.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Feb 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM ]
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