The 49ers 2015 Coaching Staff Thread

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I have to disagree with Logan, he was out of football for 3 yrs, and was last a RBs coach. Chryst did crap for Kap as QB coach, I don't see him doing great things, maybe good things. Mangini had one of the worst Defenses as DC. Forester was a terrible OL coach for us when he was last here.

The only coaches I'm ok with are Lewis and Pendgrast. The rest are failed OC, DC, and HCs. Chryst and Mangini were bottom of the barrel guys IMO. There were no one else out there that would take the job, they got turned down by numerous guys.

I fear we are on track for sub 500 seasons for the next 10 years, until Jed realizes he isn't cut out for being an Owner or CEO, he surely isn't Robert Kraftm at least he would never fire Belchick like Jed fired Harbs. He held a grudge, and let that ruin a great thing we had with Harbs. No way would Paul Allen fire Carroll, as much of an ass he is, Carroll is a damn good HC.

Also I believe Chyst was in charge of redzone offense if I remember correctly reading that.

I don't like seeing you this way, man. I know you've been down on the team's moves for a while, so I'll try to hit your points and see if you can see something positive:

Logan has a better history than Harbaugh of developing QBs, if you figure that he helped develop Matt Ryan (Ryan's best college season), he developed Jeff Blake and David Garrard for the NFL at ECU, and he got pretty significant improvement out of at least two NFLE QBs. His explanation of how to beat Seattle's defense was proven correct by the Pats, and HaRoman never even tried it.

Mangini was only a DC for one year, and NE had 3 more guys on IR that year than we did this year, even after Ty Law retired (most of them on defense), and the DB turnover was insane (10 guys started at DB, IIRC). The job he did didn't light up the stat sheet, but it minimized damage done by a huge decrease in talent, and allowed the Pats to continue winning games. His failings as a HC illustrated leadership deficiencies, which is why he's not a HC anymore. Even the players in NY and CLE who hated his guts say he's the smartest football guy they've ever spoken with.

I see the position coaches with coordinator and HC experience as a great thing. While they might not have been great HCs, you rarely get a shot as a HC unless you're a badass coordinator and/or position coach. The fact that most of these guys were so successful at what we are asking them to do now that they got a chance at HC says thay should still be great position coaches.

Foerster stunk because Nolan and SIngletary are idiots on offense. They took a ZBS guy and made him run and coach up a power scheme on the line. That's like being mad when a WR sucks at pass blocking.

Chryst was not the first choice, for sure, but the red zone coordinator stuff is overblown Cohn Crap. HaRoman called the plays, with other coaches researching specific situations and drawing up plays for them. Geep drew up a lot of RZ plays, which encourages me actually. We had a lot of creative, deceptive plays in the RZ that got guys open in limited space. Unfortunately, we rarely saw any of these plays used more than once (that's on the play caller, not the play designer). Because Harbaugh was the go-between on playcalls, it's impossible to discern which calls were on Harbaugh and which ones were on Roman, but that doesn't matter: those guys are gone. There really isn't much reason for ex-49ers to support Tomsula and Chryst, but they have, which should be encouraging. Guys like Boldin are way too good of football players to worry about any repercussions from speaking freely, and they also sound excited to be back (big difference from VD holding ou last year to mentioning how much he loves Tomsula and that he will be at the first offseason practice).

I think we are well over .500 this year, as the talent should be much better, the drama is gone, and Tomsula is all about letting players do what they do best (we've been screaming for this change for years).

If your post doesn't make him feel better, it should did make me feel better. Thanks

Great stuff in here (MB rules):

Why haven't the 49ers announced their new coaching staff? Apparently, they're waiting for the full staff to sign on the dotted line before making Jim Tomsula's new hires official. (I'm told an announcement could come today)

The missing pieces as of now are wide receivers coach as well as a handful of entry-level-type spots, such as assistant special teams coach. Still, there's enough known about the staff -- and Tomsula's intent on assembling his staff -- for some observations. Here are three ...

▪ Because they have a new head coach, the 49ers are one of the teams who get a head start on their offseason program. Whereas teams with returning head coaches can't assemble until April 20, Jim Tomsula's crew can come in on April 6 and can hold a voluntary minicamp prior to the May draft.

Here's where they have a bit of a leg up on most of the teams with new staffs: Because the 49ers promoted quarterbacks coach Geep Chryst to offensive coordinator, the 49ers will keep the same offensive system and the players won't have to learn a new system.

Of course, that wasn't the team's original intent. Chryst wasn't the first or second -- or third? Or fourth? -- choice for offensive coordinator. And the ease with which Tomsula's staff gets out of the starting blocks in April quickly will be forgotten if his team struggles in September.

Still, Chryst's selection gives the 49ers and quarterback Colin Kaepernick an element of continuity heading into the 2015 season. Five years into his career, Kaepernick has had to learn one offensive system. Alex Smith, by contrast, was on his fifth offensive coordinator and his fourth offensive system at this point in his career.

On defense, meanwhile, players made it clear at the close of the 2014 season they had a strong defense and a strong system and that they were looking for continuity heading into the new season.

New defensive coordinator Eric Mangini never was a defensive assistant under Vic Fangio in his two seasons with the 49ers. But he's expected to run a base 3-4 defense like Fangio, and with Tomsula -- who is very familiar with the system Fangio ran -- influencing the direction of the defense, that unit also is expected to have carryover.

The one change players and fans might expect -- a more aggressive, more blitz-heavy approach than what Fangio employed.

▪ The 49ers offense last season had a disjointed, too-many-cooks feel about it. Jim Harbaugh had an offensive background, and he had an NFL-high 12 assistants working under him on that side of the ball.

Some of the assistants on Tomsula's staff will specialize in certain areas of the game planning as well. New offensive line coach Chris Foerster, who spent the 2004 season as the Dolphins' offensive coordinator, is expected to be the main architect of the running game. Quarterbacks coach Steve Logan is expected to have a heavy influence in the passing attack.

But one of Tomsula's goals is to make sure the process has a more organic, inclusive feel than it did under Harbaugh's staff. Nobody will retire to a room to work on red-zone offense and then emerge at the end of the week with the results. The key word under Tomsula will be collaboration.

That also applies to the players. Every coaching staff says it seeks input from the players, especially the quarterback. The degree to which that input is utilized, however, varies. Early indications are that Tomsula's staff will skew toward the very upper end of that spectrum.

▪ Personality evidently was important to Tomsula in assembling his staff.

It's his most distinct quality. Anyone who's watched behind-the-scenes style footage of 49ers games can't help but notice the ultra-gregarious Tomsula prowling his team's bench, exhorting players, hugging players, kissing players.

The man exudes warmth. So does Logan, who has a personality to rival Tomsula's and who had a popular radio show in North Carolina the last two years because of it.

We'll leave it to Tomsula to explain why he retained Chryst, the only coach with a significant background with Harbaugh who remains on the staff. But it's noteworthy that others have described him as a "player's coach" and someone to whom Kaepernick often turned for succor and support. That is, Chryst's personality seems to fit the Tomsula formula.

The NFL, of course, is not a personality contest. And it's already been noted that the 49ers ousted a notoriously abrasive personality in Harbaugh for his apparent opposite in Tomsula. If Harbaugh's team was a bunch of, in his words, "Mighty Men," then Tomsula seems to be looking for Merry Men.

Harbaugh's squads finished first or second in the NFC in three out of four seasons. Will Tomsula's nice guys finish last? Or will his energy, enthusiasm and bonhomie trickle down and boost what remains a talented team over the top?

It's the subtext of the 49ers' offseason and, unfortunately, one that won't be answered for another seven months.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article9401930.html#storylink=cpy

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by susweel:

lol Im good cc its gonna be cool to watch with zero expectations. lol luv has left us for good it looks like.

jesus,, now we can not even keep people like luv around,, f**king york dork

Um, it was our posters who p###ed Luv off and led to her walking away. Nothing to do with the team or its ownership.

lol yah I think he knows that.

you don't think you were one of them?

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by susweel:
lol Im good cc its gonna be cool to watch with zero expectations. lol luv has left us for good it looks like.

jesus,, now we can not even keep people like luv around,, f**king york dork

Um, it was our posters who p###ed Luv off and led to her walking away. Nothing to do with the team or its ownership.

i knew that ! shocked you did not know me better,, but that is ok! keep the mods guessing

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by susweel:
lol Im good cc its gonna be cool to watch with zero expectations. lol luv has left us for good it looks like.

jesus,, now we can not even keep people like luv around,, f**king york dork

Um, it was our posters who p###ed Luv off and led to her walking away. Nothing to do with the team or its ownership.

lol yah I think he knows that.

you don't think you were one of them?

i did not think sus had anything to do with it, i actually had no clue she was gone or why till after the fact. i was just remembering something sus said two years ago and i do not think luv even read it! someday when we all actually meet on parents day in romper room, you will have to give me the scoop. she was a good poster and good internet friend .. ok sorry i derailed things,, back to topic.. i am supportive of the teams actions in the last two weeks and am ok with the new hires. the only thing i question is not doing a presser or getting out their message. but that is just a cciowa thing

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This defensive staff is BETTER than the one we had - wow.

Not sure how you came to that concussion

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This defensive staff is BETTER than the one we had - wow.

Not sure how you came to that concussion

now as jc knows,, i am a homer and supporter of the team and what they have done,, but yes, gm needs to temper it a titch!! however i also feel fangio was over rated so i can understand how gm may feel that way

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!

I know I'll be having fun next year... Quoting posts in this forum...

Too bad the Keap v1.0 thread was shut down. There was plenty of argument shutdown material posted there.

They'll try excusing it or when we start rolling and show the NFL we're a much better team than last year - they'll say "Well it was JH's team that's dong it not JT's" or some similar crap.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This defensive staff is BETTER than the one we had - wow.

Collectively, it just might be. We'll see!

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Message to negative posters: Rejoice! If all is as bad as you think, next year will bring a bounty of negativity for you to comment about!

I know I'll be having fun next year... Quoting posts in this forum...

Too bad the Keap v1.0 thread was shut down. There was plenty of argument shutdown material posted there.

They'll try excusing it or when we start rolling and show the NFL we're a much better team than last year - they'll say "Well it was JH's team that's dong it not JT's" or some similar crap.

On the bright side, they do vomit a ton of this stuff onto the board... so, needling them after one flimsy excuse with additional numb nut material will be both easy and fun.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This defensive staff is BETTER than the one we had - wow.

Collectively, it just might be. We'll see!

Individually they may not stand out but collectively they may. If the coaches can collaborate and build a better coaching structure than the whole will be much greater than just the parts

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This defensive staff is BETTER than the one we had - wow.

Collectively, it just might be. We'll see!

Individually they may not stand out but collectively they may. If the coaches can collaborate and build a better coaching structure than the whole will be much greater than just the parts

Synergy baby, synergy!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This defensive staff is BETTER than the one we had - wow.

Collectively, it just might be. We'll see!

Individually they may not stand out but collectively they may. If the coaches can collaborate and build a better coaching structure than the whole will be much greater than just the parts

Synergy baby, synergy!

I actually like the defensive staff

I think Sparano as TE coach, helping Woelver (sp?) coordinate a running game will be one of those moves that looks genius in retrospect. Getting Mangini on the right side of the ball can't hurt, he was just as good if not better than Fangio in coaching spots prior to joining Niners

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This defensive staff is BETTER than the one we had - wow.

Not sure how you came to that concussion

...by looking at every position coach outside of D-Line (and that guy is still there).

Pretty strong across the board when it comes to all of the position coaches...its the HC and coordinators that have question marks.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
...by looking at every position coach outside of D-Line (and that guy is still there).

Pretty strong across the board when it comes to all of the position coaches...its the HC and coordinators that have question marks.

I hope Geep stays on the sidelines and has direct communication with Kap. Hiring Geep actually calms me down a bit, doesn't drastically alter the offense, just hopefully fix the BS that Harbaugh and Roman allowed.