The 49ers 2015 Coaching Staff Thread

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, great post 2 pages back, a stinging indictment of harbaw, done exceedingly well. You said all that was needed to be said. I am beginning to believe that just like the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, a very vocal , very pro harbaw crowd is out there...who are exceedingly small in number. How anyone can objectively look at all 4 yrs, 2 coulda had SBs, and the last abysmal 18 mos of harbaw et al, and not see need for change....well, they are there, but I just think they are a) LOUD, and
b) VERY FEW.

Again, great post.

Harbaugh essentially agreed with the interviewer who pointed out that he tends to seek chaos because he feels that he tends to navigate chaos better than those around him, giving him an edge over others, who respond to chaos with more typical apprehension and caution or panic. TK (pre-firing) often postulated that Harbaugh causes chaos to create a competetive advantage for himself.

That brings up two questions:

1) If Harbaugh is the only person who looks forward to chaos, why do so many VOCAL 49er fans believe he was innocent of stirring up any of the sh!t around this team in the 2014 season?

2) If he thrives in chaos, and this season was chaotic, then why did we suck so bad?

I don't think we would've been so s**tty if we would've had a healthy roster and Aldon playing all year. I'm not endorsing his style of coaching by any means, I'm just saying.

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, great post 2 pages back, a stinging indictment of harbaw, done exceedingly well. You said all that was needed to be said. I am beginning to believe that just like the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, a very vocal , very pro harbaw crowd is out there...who are exceedingly small in number. How anyone can objectively look at all 4 yrs, 2 coulda had SBs, and the last abysmal 18 mos of harbaw et al, and not see need for change....well, they are there, but I just think they are a) LOUD, and
b) VERY FEW.

Again, great post.

Harbaugh essentially agreed with the interviewer who pointed out that he tends to seek chaos because he feels that he tends to navigate chaos better than those around him, giving him an edge over others, who respond to chaos with more typical apprehension and caution or panic. TK (pre-firing) often postulated that Harbaugh causes chaos to create a competetive advantage for himself.

That brings up two questions:

1) If Harbaugh is the only person who looks forward to chaos, why do so many VOCAL 49er fans believe he was innocent of stirring up any of the sh!t around this team in the 2014 season?

2) If he thrives in chaos, and this season was chaotic, then why did we suck so bad?

I don't think we would've been so s**tty if we would've had a healthy roster and Aldon playing all year. I'm not endorsing his style of coaching by any means, I'm just saying.

What injuries on offense? Every team usually has 1 or 2 injuries to the OL.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, great post 2 pages back, a stinging indictment of harbaw, done exceedingly well. You said all that was needed to be said. I am beginning to believe that just like the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, a very vocal , very pro harbaw crowd is out there...who are exceedingly small in number. How anyone can objectively look at all 4 yrs, 2 coulda had SBs, and the last abysmal 18 mos of harbaw et al, and not see need for change....well, they are there, but I just think they are a) LOUD, and
b) VERY FEW.

Again, great post.

Harbaugh essentially agreed with the interviewer who pointed out that he tends to seek chaos because he feels that he tends to navigate chaos better than those around him, giving him an edge over others, who respond to chaos with more typical apprehension and caution or panic. TK (pre-firing) often postulated that Harbaugh causes chaos to create a competetive advantage for himself.

That brings up two questions:

1) If Harbaugh is the only person who looks forward to chaos, why do so many VOCAL 49er fans believe he was innocent of stirring up any of the sh!t around this team in the 2014 season?

2) If he thrives in chaos, and this season was chaotic, then why did we suck so bad?

I don't think we would've been so s**tty if we would've had a healthy roster and Aldon playing all year. I'm not endorsing his style of coaching by any means, I'm just saying.

What injuries on offense? Every team usually has 1 or 2 injuries to the OL.

You don't think that we would've had a better record if our team was completely healthy, and Aldon wasn't suspended?

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, great post 2 pages back, a stinging indictment of harbaw, done exceedingly well. You said all that was needed to be said. I am beginning to believe that just like the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, a very vocal , very pro harbaw crowd is out there...who are exceedingly small in number. How anyone can objectively look at all 4 yrs, 2 coulda had SBs, and the last abysmal 18 mos of harbaw et al, and not see need for change....well, they are there, but I just think they are a) LOUD, and
b) VERY FEW.

Again, great post.

Harbaugh essentially agreed with the interviewer who pointed out that he tends to seek chaos because he feels that he tends to navigate chaos better than those around him, giving him an edge over others, who respond to chaos with more typical apprehension and caution or panic. TK (pre-firing) often postulated that Harbaugh causes chaos to create a competetive advantage for himself.

That brings up two questions:

1) If Harbaugh is the only person who looks forward to chaos, why do so many VOCAL 49er fans believe he was innocent of stirring up any of the sh!t around this team in the 2014 season?

2) If he thrives in chaos, and this season was chaotic, then why did we suck so bad?

I don't think we would've been so s**tty if we would've had a healthy roster and Aldon playing all year. I'm not endorsing his style of coaching by any means, I'm just saying.

What injuries on offense? Every team usually has 1 or 2 injuries to the OL.

You don't think that we would've had a better record if our team was completely healthy, and Aldon wasn't suspended?

I think the defense was pretty damn good. I think our offense was pretty healthy, and that we lost most of those games because of offense.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, great post 2 pages back, a stinging indictment of harbaw, done exceedingly well. You said all that was needed to be said. I am beginning to believe that just like the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, a very vocal , very pro harbaw crowd is out there...who are exceedingly small in number. How anyone can objectively look at all 4 yrs, 2 coulda had SBs, and the last abysmal 18 mos of harbaw et al, and not see need for change....well, they are there, but I just think they are a) LOUD, and
b) VERY FEW.

Again, great post.

Harbaugh essentially agreed with the interviewer who pointed out that he tends to seek chaos because he feels that he tends to navigate chaos better than those around him, giving him an edge over others, who respond to chaos with more typical apprehension and caution or panic. TK (pre-firing) often postulated that Harbaugh causes chaos to create a competetive advantage for himself.

That brings up two questions:

1) If Harbaugh is the only person who looks forward to chaos, why do so many VOCAL 49er fans believe he was innocent of stirring up any of the sh!t around this team in the 2014 season?

2) If he thrives in chaos, and this season was chaotic, then why did we suck so bad?

I don't think we would've been so s**tty if we would've had a healthy roster and Aldon playing all year. I'm not endorsing his style of coaching by any means, I'm just saying.

What injuries on offense? Every team usually has 1 or 2 injuries to the OL.

You don't think that we would've had a better record if our team was completely healthy, and Aldon wasn't suspended?

I think the defense was pretty damn good. I think our offense was pretty healthy, and that we lost most of those games because of offense.

If Aldon was playing against Chicago, and the first Arizona game, do you think that the outcome would've been the same?

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, great post 2 pages back, a stinging indictment of harbaw, done exceedingly well. You said all that was needed to be said. I am beginning to believe that just like the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, a very vocal , very pro harbaw crowd is out there...who are exceedingly small in number. How anyone can objectively look at all 4 yrs, 2 coulda had SBs, and the last abysmal 18 mos of harbaw et al, and not see need for change....well, they are there, but I just think they are a) LOUD, and
b) VERY FEW.

Again, great post.

Harbaugh essentially agreed with the interviewer who pointed out that he tends to seek chaos because he feels that he tends to navigate chaos better than those around him, giving him an edge over others, who respond to chaos with more typical apprehension and caution or panic. TK (pre-firing) often postulated that Harbaugh causes chaos to create a competetive advantage for himself.

That brings up two questions:

1) If Harbaugh is the only person who looks forward to chaos, why do so many VOCAL 49er fans believe he was innocent of stirring up any of the sh!t around this team in the 2014 season?

2) If he thrives in chaos, and this season was chaotic, then why did we suck so bad?

I don't think we would've been so s**tty if we would've had a healthy roster and Aldon playing all year. I'm not endorsing his style of coaching by any means, I'm just saying.

What injuries on offense? Every team usually has 1 or 2 injuries to the OL.

You don't think that we would've had a better record if our team was completely healthy, and Aldon wasn't suspended?

I think the defense was pretty damn good. I think our offense was pretty healthy, and that we lost most of those games because of offense.

If Aldon was playing against Chicago, and the first Arizona game, do you think that the outcome would've been the same?

He had two sacks in 7 games. It's hard to guess what he would've done, but considering that we lost those leads by either shutting down the offense or forcing pplays that weren't working, I'm not sure what Aldon would have done to help there. It was inconceivable to me that we would lose either of those games at the time, anyway, so I can't help but say that we found a way to lose those games on offense, and we could do that with or without Aldon.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
They aren't just some gaffs.
Let's put it this way,
Harbaugh was a salesman that starting bringing clients to your company. He started bringing bigger names to your company and then he had a chance to land the biggest name in your profession but didn't seal the deal. The next year he brought in the names he had been bringing in and then again got close to landing a big name and didn't seal the deal. you suggested to him maybe you should change your presentation up a little bit and he said absolutely not. now this year he's barely bringing in new clients because at this point everyone has heard his stuff before. and then had no chance to land that big fish that is the companies goal. Not only that on one of the annual retreats against your main competing firm from seattle he totally blows the presentation in front of the entire tight knit community to the point you have to apologize for the mess that was his presentation.

Do you keep him around for more of the exact same sales tactics the following year, knowing he is totally unwilling to take any suggestions on how to pitch things to clients? Not major changes it's just that he has 2 people helping him put together his presentation, 1 is rock solid and the other is in over his head. the two of them don't make a good team but he's unwilling to potentially get rid of him and try a tweak to hopefully get over the hump and land the whale of a client that he's been trying to land over the pat 4 years. You just ride it out and hope that something that is obviously broken is going to work because in the past it worked but is spiraling down rapidly to the detriment of your entire company?

Interesting. I agree

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, great post 2 pages back, a stinging indictment of harbaw, done exceedingly well. You said all that was needed to be said. I am beginning to believe that just like the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, a very vocal , very pro harbaw crowd is out there...who are exceedingly small in number. How anyone can objectively look at all 4 yrs, 2 coulda had SBs, and the last abysmal 18 mos of harbaw et al, and not see need for change....well, they are there, but I just think they are a) LOUD, and
b) VERY FEW.

Again, great post.

Harbaugh essentially agreed with the interviewer who pointed out that he tends to seek chaos because he feels that he tends to navigate chaos better than those around him, giving him an edge over others, who respond to chaos with more typical apprehension and caution or panic. TK (pre-firing) often postulated that Harbaugh causes chaos to create a competetive advantage for himself.

That brings up two questions:

1) If Harbaugh is the only person who looks forward to chaos, why do so many VOCAL 49er fans believe he was innocent of stirring up any of the sh!t around this team in the 2014 season?

2) If he thrives in chaos, and this season was chaotic, then why did we suck so bad?

I don't think we would've been so s**tty if we would've had a healthy roster and Aldon playing all year. I'm not endorsing his style of coaching by any means, I'm just saying.

What injuries on offense? Every team usually has 1 or 2 injuries to the OL.

You don't think that we would've had a better record if our team was completely healthy, and Aldon wasn't suspended?

I think the defense was pretty damn good. I think our offense was pretty healthy, and that we lost most of those games because of offense.

If Aldon was playing against Chicago, and the first Arizona game, do you think that the outcome would've been the same?

He had two sacks in 7 games. It's hard to guess what he would've done, but considering that we lost those leads by either shutting down the offense or forcing pplays that weren't working, I'm not sure what Aldon would have done to help there. It was inconceivable to me that we would lose either of those games at the time, anyway, so I can't help but say that we found a way to lose those games on offense, and we could do that with or without Aldon.

Aldon ended up having to actually PAY money to play. You don't think that affected his play....

Also, if Aldon started out the season playing there's no way he doesn't end up with atleast 15 sacks. He would've helped out so much against Chicago.

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
Aldon ended up having to actually PAY money to play. You don't think that affected his play....

Also, if Aldon started out the season playing there's no way he doesn't end up with atleast 15 sacks. He would've helped out so much against Chicago.

There's no way you know this. Is it likely? Maybe. What if he's a guy who plays better when his life is out of control? Maybe he's not getting sleep because his kid lives with him. Who the hell knows? The point is, he had the freshest legs on the field for 7 games and got only 2 sacks. I hope Aldon returns to form, but saying with any certainty that we would have won a game just because he is there is wanton speculation. Considering that he was playing for a contract extension that will go before his agent sometime this year, he had every financial incentive to make plays.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
Aldon ended up having to actually PAY money to play. You don't think that affected his play....

Also, if Aldon started out the season playing there's no way he doesn't end up with atleast 15 sacks. He would've helped out so much against Chicago.

There's no way you know this. Is it likely? Maybe. What if he's a guy who plays better when his life is out of control? Maybe he's not getting sleep because his kid lives with him. Who the hell knows? The point is, he had the freshest legs on the field for 7 games and got only 2 sacks. I hope Aldon returns to form, but saying with any certainty that we would have won a game just because he is there is wanton speculation. Considering that he was playing for a contract extension that will go before his agent sometime this year, he had every financial incentive to make plays.

He had to pay money to play, I've never heard of that happening before. I'm sure that played a role in his ineffectiveness.

If Aldon is healthy, and plays all year, how many sacks do you honestly think he ends up with?

Anyone thinking causing chaos in the workplace is a great way to run a team , a business, an anything...is nuts. Chaos is the last thing you want in a workplace. I don't know I believe harbaw did that purposefully, but if so, I wish he would have left sooner.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Anyone thinking causing chaos in the workplace is a great way to run a team , a business, an anything...is nuts. Chaos is the last thing you want in a workplace. I don't know I believe harbaw did that purposefully, but if so, I wish he would have left sooner.

Agree with you there. Sometimes I feel like JH sometimes would push peoples buttons A LOT on purpose.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Anyone thinking causing chaos in the workplace is a great way to run a team , a business, an anything...is nuts. Chaos is the last thing you want in a workplace. I don't know I believe harbaw did that purposefully, but if so, I wish he would have left sooner.

If chaos in the workplace leads to three straight NFCCGs and a Superbowl appearance....more chaos in the workplace please.

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
If Aldon was playing against Chicago, and the first Arizona game, do you think that the outcome would've been the same?

I believe we get to ten wins

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
Aldon ended up having to actually PAY money to play. You don't think that affected his play....

Also, if Aldon started out the season playing there's no way he doesn't end up with atleast 15 sacks. He would've helped out so much against Chicago.

There's no way you know this. Is it likely? Maybe. What if he's a guy who plays better when his life is out of control? Maybe he's not getting sleep because his kid lives with him. Who the hell knows? The point is, he had the freshest legs on the field for 7 games and got only 2 sacks. I hope Aldon returns to form, but saying with any certainty that we would have won a game just because he is there is wanton speculation. Considering that he was playing for a contract extension that will go before his agent sometime this year, he had every financial incentive to make plays.

He had to pay money to play, I've never heard of that happening before. I'm sure that played a role in his ineffectiveness.

If Aldon is healthy, and plays all year, how many sacks do you honestly think he ends up with?

Honestly, I'm not sure. Even w/out the suspension, he had a crazy offseason, and I don't know how that would've affected him. I would've been surprised and disappointed if he had less than 10, but I was already surprised when he got shutdown in 6 of the 7 games he played. Another factor: does Lynch even play if Aldon plays all year?