The 49ers 2015 Coaching Staff Thread

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
They aren't just some gaffs.
Let's put it this way,
Harbaugh was a salesman that starting bringing clients to your company. He started bringing bigger names to your company and then he had a chance to land the biggest name in your profession but didn't seal the deal. The next year he brought in the names he had been bringing in and then again got close to landing a big name and didn't seal the deal. you suggested to him maybe you should change your presentation up a little bit and he said absolutely not. now this year he's barely bringing in new clients because at this point everyone has heard his stuff before. and then had no chance to land that big fish that is the companies goal. Not only that on one of the annual retreats against your main competing firm from seattle he totally blows the presentation in front of the entire tight knit community to the point you have to apologize for the mess that was his presentation.

Do you keep him around for more of the exact same sales tactics the following year, knowing he is totally unwilling to take any suggestions on how to pitch things to clients? Not major changes it's just that he has 2 people helping him put together his presentation, 1 is rock solid and the other is in over his head. the two of them don't make a good team but he's unwilling to potentially get rid of him and try a tweak to hopefully get over the hump and land the whale of a client that he's been trying to land over the pat 4 years. You just ride it out and hope that something that is obviously broken is going to work because in the past it worked but is spiraling down rapidly to the detriment of your entire company?

Was this company performing better than it had in well over a decade with this salesman?

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
If Aldon was playing against Chicago, and the first Arizona game, do you think that the outcome would've been the same?

I believe we get to ten wins

I doubt York would have been able to fire JH in this scenario

11 wins (potentially in playoffs) no... 10 wins, still a chance

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
If Aldon was playing against Chicago, and the first Arizona game, do you think that the outcome would've been the same?

I believe we get to ten wins

I doubt York would have been able to fire JH in this scenario

Of course, he would have been able to fire JH if the 49ers had gotten to 10 wins.

Owners are able to fire coaches at any time.

John Fox took the Broncos to the play-offs four years in a row. John Fox got fired.

But, my guess is that Harbaugh's win-lose record was not the core problem between him and the 49ers.

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
They aren't just some gaffs.
Let's put it this way,
Harbaugh was a salesman that starting bringing clients to your company. He started bringing bigger names to your company and then he had a chance to land the biggest name in your profession but didn't seal the deal. The next year he brought in the names he had been bringing in and then again got close to landing a big name and didn't seal the deal. you suggested to him maybe you should change your presentation up a little bit and he said absolutely not. now this year he's barely bringing in new clients because at this point everyone has heard his stuff before. and then had no chance to land that big fish that is the companies goal. Not only that on one of the annual retreats against your main competing firm from seattle he totally blows the presentation in front of the entire tight knit community to the point you have to apologize for the mess that was his presentation.

Do you keep him around for more of the exact same sales tactics the following year, knowing he is totally unwilling to take any suggestions on how to pitch things to clients? Not major changes it's just that he has 2 people helping him put together his presentation, 1 is rock solid and the other is in over his head. the two of them don't make a good team but he's unwilling to potentially get rid of him and try a tweak to hopefully get over the hump and land the whale of a client that he's been trying to land over the pat 4 years. You just ride it out and hope that something that is obviously broken is going to work because in the past it worked but is spiraling down rapidly to the detriment of your entire company?

Was this company performing better than it had in well over a decade with this salesman?

So better than it has means hold on for dear life and not expect improvement?
He was a step. cherish the step he helped guide the talent in the right way. Now we need an extra push to get us over the top.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
If Aldon was playing against Chicago, and the first Arizona game, do you think that the outcome would've been the same?

I believe we get to ten wins

I doubt York would have been able to fire JH in this scenario

11 wins (potentially in playoffs) no... 10 wins, still a chance

Good point, nice work Aldon, you drank away the franchise, jerk, better get sober fast, NFL careers are short, shorter if you are a knucklehead!

Back in the summer Juergen Klinsmann talked about the issue with american sports is the tendency to pay someone for what they have done instead of what they are going to do. Every commentary on Harbaugh brings up his record. Problem is that had already happened. What actual improvement on the field did the 9ers show to make anyone think year 5 was going to be a sb contender? So because people have nothing they go back to what he had done. Being incapable to adapt is a huge flaw and it would've killed the 2016 49ers IMO.

Tomsula may fail horribly but moving on from Harbaugh was still the right move.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
If Aldon was playing against Chicago, and the first Arizona game, do you think that the outcome would've been the same?

I believe we get to ten wins

I doubt York would have been able to fire JH in this scenario

11 wins (potentially in playoffs) no... 10 wins, still a chance

Good point, nice work Aldon, you drank away the franchise, jerk, better get sober fast, NFL careers are short, shorter if you are a knucklehead!

It makes me wonder... had Aldon played the full year, Willis/Bowman/Williams/Dorsey not injured, injuries in secondary and the (outstanding rookie play) depth we had... we should've been much better.

How much better, better than the Cawks D?? They were putting the Cawks defense up there with 85 bears and 2000 Ravens

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Back in the summer Juergen Klinsmann talked about the issue with american sports is the tendency to pay someone for what they have done instead of what they are going to do. Every commentary on Harbaugh brings up his record. Problem is that had already happened. What actual improvement on the field did the 9ers show to make anyone think year 5 was going to be a sb contender? So because people have nothing they go back to what he had done. Being incapable to adapt is a huge flaw and it would've killed the 2016 49ers IMO.

Tomsula may fail horribly but moving on from Harbaugh was still the right move.

I can get with what you're saying, but "moving on from Harbaugh was still the right move" would be nice with the right plan installed before letting him go. We don't know if JT was the plan all along... the jury is still out on him. I'm hoping he turns doubters into believers because I hate when we suck

I'm feeling much better about Tomsula and Chryst. And there are some very compelling coaches taking over some of the positions. I guess my only real concern right now is whether Mangini learned anything from his disastrous relationships with players when he was HC in Cleveland. I'm hoping he doesn't alienate the defensive players.

Originally posted by crake49:
I'm feeling much better about Tomsula and Chryst. And there are some very compelling coaches taking over some of the positions. I guess my only real concern right now is whether Mangini learned anything from his disastrous relationships with players when he was HC in Cleveland. I'm hoping he doesn't alienate the defensive players.

Well the good news is that he's been here for 2+ years now and got promoted. So that's a good sign. With the amount of drama this FO had to deal with, the last thing they want to do is elevate another Drama-King to a position of authority.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Back in the summer Juergen Klinsmann talked about the issue with american sports is the tendency to pay someone for what they have done instead of what they are going to do. Every commentary on Harbaugh brings up his record. Problem is that had already happened. What actual improvement on the field did the 9ers show to make anyone think year 5 was going to be a sb contender? So because people have nothing they go back to what he had done. Being incapable to adapt is a huge flaw and it would've killed the 2016 49ers IMO.

Tomsula may fail horribly but moving on from Harbaugh was still the right move.

Yup and he got paid $5M to do just that...well compensated esp. for that time period.

No question about it.

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
They aren't just some gaffs.
Let's put it this way,
Harbaugh was a salesman that starting bringing clients to your company. He started bringing bigger names to your company and then he had a chance to land the biggest name in your profession but didn't seal the deal. The next year he brought in the names he had been bringing in and then again got close to landing a big name and didn't seal the deal. you suggested to him maybe you should change your presentation up a little bit and he said absolutely not. now this year he's barely bringing in new clients because at this point everyone has heard his stuff before. and then had no chance to land that big fish that is the companies goal. Not only that on one of the annual retreats against your main competing firm from seattle he totally blows the presentation in front of the entire tight knit community to the point you have to apologize for the mess that was his presentation.

Do you keep him around for more of the exact same sales tactics the following year, knowing he is totally unwilling to take any suggestions on how to pitch things to clients? Not major changes it's just that he has 2 people helping him put together his presentation, 1 is rock solid and the other is in over his head. the two of them don't make a good team but he's unwilling to potentially get rid of him and try a tweak to hopefully get over the hump and land the whale of a client that he's been trying to land over the pat 4 years. You just ride it out and hope that something that is obviously broken is going to work because in the past it worked but is spiraling down rapidly to the detriment of your entire company?

Was this company performing better than it had in well over a decade with this salesman?

Only in NT would you do this. In fact, in NT, they rip up his contract early and give him another 5 years at more than $6M per with more power and with no caveats. THAT is NT for you.

In the real world, you thank him for his service, part ways and move on and wish him and us the best.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
They aren't just some gaffs.
Let's put it this way,
Harbaugh was a salesman that starting bringing clients to your company. He started bringing bigger names to your company and then he had a chance to land the biggest name in your profession but didn't seal the deal. The next year he brought in the names he had been bringing in and then again got close to landing a big name and didn't seal the deal. you suggested to him maybe you should change your presentation up a little bit and he said absolutely not. now this year he's barely bringing in new clients because at this point everyone has heard his stuff before. and then had no chance to land that big fish that is the companies goal. Not only that on one of the annual retreats against your main competing firm from seattle he totally blows the presentation in front of the entire tight knit community to the point you have to apologize for the mess that was his presentation.

Do you keep him around for more of the exact same sales tactics the following year, knowing he is totally unwilling to take any suggestions on how to pitch things to clients? Not major changes it's just that he has 2 people helping him put together his presentation, 1 is rock solid and the other is in over his head. the two of them don't make a good team but he's unwilling to potentially get rid of him and try a tweak to hopefully get over the hump and land the whale of a client that he's been trying to land over the pat 4 years. You just ride it out and hope that something that is obviously broken is going to work because in the past it worked but is spiraling down rapidly to the detriment of your entire company?

Was this company performing better than it had in well over a decade with this salesman?

Only in NT would you do this. In fact, in NT, they rip up his contract early and give him another 5 years at more than $6M per with more power and with no caveats. THAT is NT for you.

In the real world, you thank him for his service, part ways and move on and wish him and us the best.

This happens to CEOs all over the business world, and only in professional sports, is a company (team) shredded for making that decision. Harbaugh needed to go if he was unwilling to adapt.

Over his four years, the formula was figured out. If you play tough defense, and run the ball, you will likely beat this Niner team because our offense was never consistent enough to overcome. Look at Belichick for example. He has won with offensive teams, defensive teams, and balanced teams. Thus, he has adapted and changed in ways that allow him to consistently put a winning product on the field.

Harbaugh was great while he was here, and I really liked him as a head coach, but he did not adapt. After his brother exposed his team TWICE, the rest of the league followed suit.

Originally posted by TheRathman44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
They aren't just some gaffs.
Let's put it this way,
Harbaugh was a salesman that starting bringing clients to your company. He started bringing bigger names to your company and then he had a chance to land the biggest name in your profession but didn't seal the deal. The next year he brought in the names he had been bringing in and then again got close to landing a big name and didn't seal the deal. you suggested to him maybe you should change your presentation up a little bit and he said absolutely not. now this year he's barely bringing in new clients because at this point everyone has heard his stuff before. and then had no chance to land that big fish that is the companies goal. Not only that on one of the annual retreats against your main competing firm from seattle he totally blows the presentation in front of the entire tight knit community to the point you have to apologize for the mess that was his presentation.

Do you keep him around for more of the exact same sales tactics the following year, knowing he is totally unwilling to take any suggestions on how to pitch things to clients? Not major changes it's just that he has 2 people helping him put together his presentation, 1 is rock solid and the other is in over his head. the two of them don't make a good team but he's unwilling to potentially get rid of him and try a tweak to hopefully get over the hump and land the whale of a client that he's been trying to land over the pat 4 years. You just ride it out and hope that something that is obviously broken is going to work because in the past it worked but is spiraling down rapidly to the detriment of your entire company?

Was this company performing better than it had in well over a decade with this salesman?

Only in NT would you do this. In fact, in NT, they rip up his contract early and give him another 5 years at more than $6M per with more power and with no caveats. THAT is NT for you.

In the real world, you thank him for his service, part ways and move on and wish him and us the best.

This happens to CEOs all over the business world, and only in professional sports, is a company (team) shredded for making that decision. Harbaugh needed to go if he was unwilling to adapt.

Over his four years, the formula was figured out. If you play tough defense, and run the ball, you will likely beat this Niner team because our offense was never consistent enough to overcome. Look at Belichick for example. He has won with offensive teams, defensive teams, and balanced teams. Thus, he has adapted and changed in ways that allow him to consistently put a winning product on the field.

Harbaugh was great while he was here, and I really liked him as a head coach, but he did not adapt. After his brother exposed his team TWICE, the rest of the league followed suit.

Truth!

Originally posted by TheRathman44:
This happens to CEOs all over the business world, and only in professional sports, is a company (team) shredded for making that decision. Harbaugh needed to go if he was unwilling to adapt.

Over his four years, the formula was figured out. If you play tough defense, and run the ball, you will likely beat this Niner team because our offense was never consistent enough to overcome. Look at Belichick for example. He has won with offensive teams, defensive teams, and balanced teams. Thus, he has adapted and changed in ways that allow him to consistently put a winning product on the field.

Harbaugh was great while he was here, and I really liked him as a head coach, but he did not adapt. After his brother exposed his team TWICE, the rest of the league followed suit.

LOL! Read House of Cards or some of the other books about Fortune 500 companies that went through management changes. American Express might have a record on the number of books written about their changes.