Offseason All22 Film Study

Bump for text book 3-4 DE play...1 gap vs. 2 gap.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Also, it Looks like Borland made the play by blowing up the left guard.

You might want to watch that again. He barely touches the guard. The guard falls because he loaded up for a big impact and Borland danced out of the way. He's still in on the play, but he didn't blow anyone up.

thl408 you should be working for the 49ers organization or something. You can maybe breakdown opponents we face each week, maybe someone from the Niners staff will see your great work and use it to their advantage.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Also, it Looks like Borland made the play by blowing up the left guard.

You might want to watch that again. He barely touches the guard. The guard falls because he loaded up for a big impact and Borland danced out of the way. He's still in on the play, but he didn't blow anyone up.

See above. Borland blew up the guard and made the play.

Originally posted by thl408:

You said if Boldin ran the route better, the ball wouldn't have been picked. I disagree. It was a poor read by Kap... the ball should have been thrown to the RB coming out of the backfield. He basically threw the ball into quadruple coverage, with a wide open RB at the first down marker. I think Boldin slows his route down once he's cleared the defenders out of the flat for Gore. He doesn't start slowing down until he's almost 20 yards down the field. You wouldn't happen to know the down here?

Anyhow, interesting stuff in here.

Hey thl...they are copying your approach to Ward-film review: http://ninerfans.com/what-should-49ers-expect-from-jimmie-ward-in-year-two/

Speaking of Ward, what do you fellows see as the best approach to covering Jimmy Graham?

Originally posted by audick:
Speaking of Ward, what do you fellows see as the best approach to covering Jimmy Graham?

Under Mangini, he won't...Tartt or Johnson will cover him.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Also, it Looks like Borland made the play by blowing up the left guard.

You might want to watch that again. He barely touches the guard. The guard falls because he loaded up for a big impact and Borland danced out of the way. He's still in on the play, but he didn't blow anyone up.

See above. Borland blew up the guard and made the play.

Fair enough. I thought you were referring to the play posted directly above your post, since you didn't quote the clip you were discussing. That's probably the most physical play I've seen from Borland. He didn't take on OL directly a whole lot, but he looks good on that one.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by audick:
Speaking of Ward, what do you fellows see as the best approach to covering Jimmy Graham?

Under Mangini, he won't...Tartt or Johnson will cover him.

Or both, with some Bowman mixed in. When we scheme against a dominant DL, we like to have multiple players hitting him from multiple angles throughout a drive. If we keep him guessing where the blocks are coming from, we can even block him with one man from time to time. The point is to harass him so much that the game stops being fun, starts becoming incredibly frustrating, and he stops playing instinctually. The 49ers did that to Suh by whamming him and trapping him, and he played like crap. The same strategy can be employed toward offensive players, and I expect that it will be against Graham, a potentially dominant player on a team that lacks other playmakers in the passing game.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by audick:
Speaking of Ward, what do you fellows see as the best approach to covering Jimmy Graham?

Under Mangini, he won't...Tartt or Johnson will cover him.

Or both, with some Bowman mixed in. When we scheme against a dominant DL, we like to have multiple players hitting him from multiple angles throughout a drive. If we keep him guessing where the blocks are coming from, we can even block him with one man from time to time. The point is to harass him so much that the game stops being fun, starts becoming incredibly frustrating, and he stops playing instinctually. The 49ers did that to Suh by whamming him and trapping him, and he played like crap. The same strategy can be employed toward offensive players, and I expect that it will be against Graham, a potentially dominant player on a team that lacks other playmakers in the passing game.

Great points. Under Mangini, I can see exactly that...actual squared-up jams at the LOS, then release, chips/press under five yards with an ILB, pattern matching passing him off from one to another after that, or slot CB to S, etc. Then give him some single jam-press with Tartt/Johnson up at the LOS and just drive him nuts/frustrate him, etc. I absolutely love your reference to Suh. That was a situation where we knew he'd fire up field every chance he got...and we turned that strength against him. We did the same thing to Haley when he played for the Cowboys thanks to Young's mobility. The Hawks somewhat did that to our OLB's as well last year...they'd stay in to block for a second or two, sell they were staying in, and then release and flare into the wide open space (Wilson to Wilson connection - simple short pass) and it killed us.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
You said if Boldin ran the route better, the ball wouldn't have been picked. I disagree. It was a poor read by Kap... the ball should have been thrown to the RB coming out of the backfield. He basically threw the ball into quadruple coverage, with a wide open RB at the first down marker. I think Boldin slows his route down once he's cleared the defenders out of the flat for Gore. He doesn't start slowing down until he's almost 20 yards down the field. You wouldn't happen to know the down here?

Anyhow, interesting stuff in here.

It was 2nd & 7. I agree Kap could have thrown it to Gore for an easy completion. Gore would have gotten hit immediately but it would have been a much safer throw that may have gotten the 7 yards if Gore falls forward. I still believe that Boldin half assed his route and it's evident from the TV telecast. Had he run his assignment correct, then VD gets the space needed. Boldin is not clearing for Gore's route, he's clearing for VD's route. VD' and Gore's route work to vertically stretch the playside curl/flat defender.

Also, Boldin should have worked to get an outside release so that the CB's back turns to the play. When Boldin stems his route inside, it allows the CB to be facing the play, the middle safety to provide help, and the CB to have confidence in breaking off of Boldin to jump VD's route because he knows he has help to the inside on Boldin.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hey thl...they are copying your approach to Ward-film review: http://ninerfans.com/what-should-49ers-expect-from-jimmie-ward-in-year-two/

I guess. The only thing that article had in common with my study is that it is about Jimmie Ward.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
You said if Boldin ran the route better, the ball wouldn't have been picked. I disagree. It was a poor read by Kap... the ball should have been thrown to the RB coming out of the backfield. He basically threw the ball into quadruple coverage, with a wide open RB at the first down marker. I think Boldin slows his route down once he's cleared the defenders out of the flat for Gore. He doesn't start slowing down until he's almost 20 yards down the field. You wouldn't happen to know the down here?

Anyhow, interesting stuff in here.

It was 2nd & 7. I agree Kap could have thrown it to Gore for an easy completion. Gore would have gotten hit immediately but it would have been a much safer throw that may have gotten the 7 yards if Gore falls forward. I still believe that Boldin half assed his route and it's evident from the TV telecast. Had he run his assignment correct, then VD gets the space needed. Boldin is not clearing for Gore's route, he's clearing for VD's route. VD' and Gore's route work to vertically stretch the playside curl/flat defender.

Also, Boldin should have worked to get an outside release so that the CB's back turns to the play. When Boldin stems his route inside, it allows the CB to be facing the play, the middle safety to provide help, and the CB to have confidence in breaking off of Boldin to jump VD's route because he knows he has help to the inside on Boldin.

Boldin absolutely half-assed that route! If its clear from TV that he isn't the primary receiver then its more than obvious to a trained professional defensive back. They ignored Anquan and jumped the pass easily.

Originally posted by SaksV:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
You said if Boldin ran the route better, the ball wouldn't have been picked. I disagree. It was a poor read by Kap... the ball should have been thrown to the RB coming out of the backfield. He basically threw the ball into quadruple coverage, with a wide open RB at the first down marker. I think Boldin slows his route down once he's cleared the defenders out of the flat for Gore. He doesn't start slowing down until he's almost 20 yards down the field. You wouldn't happen to know the down here?

Anyhow, interesting stuff in here.

It was 2nd & 7. I agree Kap could have thrown it to Gore for an easy completion. Gore would have gotten hit immediately but it would have been a much safer throw that may have gotten the 7 yards if Gore falls forward. I still believe that Boldin half assed his route and it's evident from the TV telecast. Had he run his assignment correct, then VD gets the space needed. Boldin is not clearing for Gore's route, he's clearing for VD's route. VD' and Gore's route work to vertically stretch the playside curl/flat defender.

Also, Boldin should have worked to get an outside release so that the CB's back turns to the play. When Boldin stems his route inside, it allows the CB to be facing the play, the middle safety to provide help, and the CB to have confidence in breaking off of Boldin to jump VD's route because he knows he has help to the inside on Boldin.

Boldin absolutely half-assed that route! If its clear from TV that he isn't the primary receiver then its more than obvious to a trained professional defensive back. They ignored Anquan and jumped the pass easily.

Also noteworthy is that the 49ers have run this concept vs the Packers a number of times over their previous contests. Remember they played each other 4(?) times within 2 years. So this comes up on film a handful of times and I'm positive the Packers were ready for it.