Offseason All22 Film Study

Originally posted by thl408:
It was 2nd & 7. I agree Kap could have thrown it to Gore for an easy completion. Gore would have gotten hit immediately but it would have been a much safer throw that may have gotten the 7 yards if Gore falls forward. I still believe that Boldin half assed his route and it's evident from the TV telecast. Had he run his assignment correct, then VD gets the space needed. Boldin is not clearing for Gore's route, he's clearing for VD's route. VD' and Gore's route work to vertically stretch the playside curl/flat defender.

Also, Boldin should have worked to get an outside release so that the CB's back turns to the play. When Boldin stems his route inside, it allows the CB to be facing the play, the middle safety to provide help, and the CB to have confidence in breaking off of Boldin to jump VD's route because he knows he has help to the inside on Boldin.

But where does he go? If he keeps sprinting, he runs out of the back of the end zone!

I don't like overload plays like this with no outlet on the backside. That max protect when the defense is in a cover 3 drop.

Can't wait to see the offense this year.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by thl408:

You said if Boldin ran the route better, the ball wouldn't have been picked. I disagree. It was a poor read by Kap... the ball should have been thrown to the RB coming out of the backfield. He basically threw the ball into quadruple coverage, with a wide open RB at the first down marker. I think Boldin slows his route down once he's cleared the defenders out of the flat for Gore. He doesn't start slowing down until he's almost 20 yards down the field. You wouldn't happen to know the down here?

Anyhow, interesting stuff in here.

I think all three guys should have played this better-- Kaep, Boldin, and VD. Kaep needs to have the confidence to throw the ball a tic tok early. It seems to me the ball is a little late. Boldin should have ran the clear out route with more authority. The way he ran the route, it caused the defender to kinda look for the underneath pass. Then VD, could have done a better job to help out Kaep by shielding the pass with his body, since Kaep has to float it past the underneath defender. I don't think VD expected the defender to be that close to him.

Kaep could have gone underneath to the RB and take the minimal gain also.

thl, sorry to go off topic on you here but can you remind me which thread you had the Alex Boone gifs proving what a joke PFF OL rankings are?

I need those as reference for a discussion if you still have them handy.

Thanks.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by thl408:
It was 2nd & 7. I agree Kap could have thrown it to Gore for an easy completion. Gore would have gotten hit immediately but it would have been a much safer throw that may have gotten the 7 yards if Gore falls forward. I still believe that Boldin half assed his route and it's evident from the TV telecast. Had he run his assignment correct, then VD gets the space needed. Boldin is not clearing for Gore's route, he's clearing for VD's route. VD' and Gore's route work to vertically stretch the playside curl/flat defender.

Also, Boldin should have worked to get an outside release so that the CB's back turns to the play. When Boldin stems his route inside, it allows the CB to be facing the play, the middle safety to provide help, and the CB to have confidence in breaking off of Boldin to jump VD's route because he knows he has help to the inside on Boldin.

But where does he go? If he keeps sprinting, he runs out of the back of the end zone!

I don't like overload plays like this with no outlet on the backside. That max protect when the defense is in a cover 3 drop.

Can't wait to see the offense this year.

The faster Boldin runs his route, the more threatened the CB is and the sooner he gets into his backpeddle, or turn and run with Boldin. It's not only about how far Boldin pushes that defender downfield, but also how soon after the snap he pushes that defender out of the way for VD to work. I agree with qnnhan7's list of items posted above, and will also add that asking the slowest WR to run a clearing route has a personnel design flaw.

Originally posted by genus49:
thl, sorry to go off topic on you here but can you remind me which thread you had the Alex Boone gifs proving what a joke PFF OL rankings are?

I need those as reference for a discussion if you still have them handy.

Thanks.

Starts at top of this page:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/181925-49ers-o-line/page17/

Originally posted by thl408:
Starts at top of this page:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/181925-49ers-o-line/page17/

Thank you sir. Found it in the Kap thread too.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by thl408:
It was 2nd & 7. I agree Kap could have thrown it to Gore for an easy completion. Gore would have gotten hit immediately but it would have been a much safer throw that may have gotten the 7 yards if Gore falls forward. I still believe that Boldin half assed his route and it's evident from the TV telecast. Had he run his assignment correct, then VD gets the space needed. Boldin is not clearing for Gore's route, he's clearing for VD's route. VD' and Gore's route work to vertically stretch the playside curl/flat defender.

Also, Boldin should have worked to get an outside release so that the CB's back turns to the play. When Boldin stems his route inside, it allows the CB to be facing the play, the middle safety to provide help, and the CB to have confidence in breaking off of Boldin to jump VD's route because he knows he has help to the inside on Boldin.

But where does he go? If he keeps sprinting, he runs out of the back of the end zone!

I don't like overload plays like this with no outlet on the backside. That max protect when the defense is in a cover 3 drop.

Can't wait to see the offense this year.

The faster Boldin runs his route, the more threatened the CB is and the sooner he gets into his backpeddle, or turn and run with Boldin. It's not only about how far Boldin pushes that defender downfield, but also how soon after the snap he pushes that defender out of the way for VD to work. I agree with qnnhan7's list of items posted above, and will also add that asking the slowest WR to run a clearing route has a personnel design flaw.

The stats from week 1 game against the Packs might explain it:

Boldin - 13recs, 208yds,1TD

HarRo maybe thinking the Packs will give Boldin a lot of attention after week 1 game. Nevermind that Boldin don't have the speed to sell a deep threat.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Also, it Looks like Borland made the play by blowing up the left guard.

You might want to watch that again. He barely touches the guard. The guard falls because he loaded up for a big impact and Borland danced out of the way. He's still in on the play, but he didn't blow anyone up.

See above. Borland blew up the guard and made the play.

Fair enough. I thought you were referring to the play posted directly above your post, since you didn't quote the clip you were discussing. That's probably the most physical play I've seen from Borland. He didn't take on OL directly a whole lot, but he looks good on that one.

Oh i see what happened. Another person posted right before i hit post.

I try not to quote gif's if i can avoid it so the page doesn't bog down.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by thl408:
It was 2nd & 7. I agree Kap could have thrown it to Gore for an easy completion. Gore would have gotten hit immediately but it would have been a much safer throw that may have gotten the 7 yards if Gore falls forward. I still believe that Boldin half assed his route and it's evident from the TV telecast. Had he run his assignment correct, then VD gets the space needed. Boldin is not clearing for Gore's route, he's clearing for VD's route. VD' and Gore's route work to vertically stretch the playside curl/flat defender.

Also, Boldin should have worked to get an outside release so that the CB's back turns to the play. When Boldin stems his route inside, it allows the CB to be facing the play, the middle safety to provide help, and the CB to have confidence in breaking off of Boldin to jump VD's route because he knows he has help to the inside on Boldin.

But where does he go? If he keeps sprinting, he runs out of the back of the end zone!

I don't like overload plays like this with no outlet on the backside. That max protect when the defense is in a cover 3 drop.

Can't wait to see the offense this year.

To me, it seems the DB had help over the top and jumped VDs route. Just a head up play by the defender.

Also, i think the throw was a tad bit late also.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by thl408:

You said if Boldin ran the route better, the ball wouldn't have been picked. I disagree. It was a poor read by Kap... the ball should have been thrown to the RB coming out of the backfield. He basically threw the ball into quadruple coverage, with a wide open RB at the first down marker. I think Boldin slows his route down once he's cleared the defenders out of the flat for Gore. He doesn't start slowing down until he's almost 20 yards down the field. You wouldn't happen to know the down here?

Anyhow, interesting stuff in here.

I think all three guys should have played this better-- Kaep, Boldin, and VD. Kaep needs to have the confidence to throw the ball a tic tok early. It seems to me the ball is a little late. Boldin should have ran the clear out route with more authority. The way he ran the route, it caused the defender to kinda look for the underneath pass. Then VD, could have done a better job to help out Kaep by shielding the pass with his body, since Kaep has to float it past the underneath defender. I don't think VD expected the defender to be that close to him.

Kaep could have gone underneath to the RB and take the minimal gain also.

On a sail type concept, that fly route main job is to threaten that deep coverage. Boldin kinda slowed down his route. I think if he really pushed that deep third and got the DB to respect the vertical aspect, then the corner route would've been more effective. Therefore it makes it an easier read/completion. Having said that though, I think a more polished QB takes the back in the flat on this particular play. It's a process.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by thl408:
It was 2nd & 7. I agree Kap could have thrown it to Gore for an easy completion. Gore would have gotten hit immediately but it would have been a much safer throw that may have gotten the 7 yards if Gore falls forward. I still believe that Boldin half assed his route and it's evident from the TV telecast. Had he run his assignment correct, then VD gets the space needed. Boldin is not clearing for Gore's route, he's clearing for VD's route. VD' and Gore's route work to vertically stretch the playside curl/flat defender.

Also, Boldin should have worked to get an outside release so that the CB's back turns to the play. When Boldin stems his route inside, it allows the CB to be facing the play, the middle safety to provide help, and the CB to have confidence in breaking off of Boldin to jump VD's route because he knows he has help to the inside on Boldin.

But where does he go? If he keeps sprinting, he runs out of the back of the end zone!

I don't like overload plays like this with no outlet on the backside. That max protect when the defense is in a cover 3 drop.

Can't wait to see the offense this year.

The faster Boldin runs his route, the more threatened the CB is and the sooner he gets into his backpeddle, or turn and run with Boldin. It's not only about how far Boldin pushes that defender downfield, but also how soon after the snap he pushes that defender out of the way for VD to work. I agree with qnnhan7's list of items posted above, and will also add that asking the slowest WR to run a clearing route has a personnel design flaw.

The stats from week 1 game against the Packs might explain it:

Boldin - 13recs, 208yds,1TD

HarRo maybe thinking the Packs will give Boldin a lot of attention after week 1 game. Nevermind that Boldin don't have the speed to sell a deep threat.

I can agree with both of this.

Ward misses Week 7 (@DEN) with an injured foot. Week 8 was a bye.

Ward had a another solid game. Most times he was not targeted, and gave up one catch to his name. Got flagged for a very weak defensive holding call. Was lined up in press many times, didn't always bump, and did well against Chis Givens, STL's slot WR on many downs, to help nullify him (0 catches).

Week 9
Quarters vs Drive concept
Ward has First In.


Both safeties with flat footed reads indicate Quarters. Ward matches CGivens on the Drag.


Thrown away incomplete.

Ward in press alignment.


The WR latches on to Ward to free up his team mate in back running a slant.


With a defender in the passing lane, the QB pulls the ball down.


Nothing of note for Ward on this play as he gets clung onto. It just looks like the SB clinching INT we just saw. Except this QB didn't throw the pass.

lol

Originally posted by thl408:

lol

Carlton Banks didn't read that coverage for s**t. Uncle Phil is gonna be pissed.

One-read gnome....