Offseason All22 Film Study

ATL #10
Triangle stretch with Torrey running a double move hitch and go.


Torrey with the fake stop. Had he actually ran a Curl, it would look like the Spacing concept.


and Go. Gabbert starting to throw before separation is made.


+26

- Good read/throw.

ATL #11
Quick shovel pass to Patton with "blockers" in front. No read or progressions. +1

- Play design takes the ball out of Gabbert's hands.

ATL #12
4 verticals vs Cover2 Man


Two deep safeties over the top make it difficult for 4 verticals. With the three strongside verticals clearing out the underneath area, the drag route is the best option even with the CB trailing Torrey in decent position to take away RAC.


Scramble +5.

- Missed throw/read. Gabbert could have targeted Torrey and given him a chance to outrun the CB across the field. I think the CB was in a good position to tackle Torrey anyways, but at least the play could have had a chance.

Added the rest of Gabbert's dropbacks for the ATL game (12 total). In order to get a quantitative count to summarize his performance on 3rd down dropbacks, I thought it was necessary to assign a result for each dropback. In doing the ATL game, I realized how many plays I'd have to cut up in order to show every 3rd down dropback. By assigning a final result to each play, I can briefly mention some plays by just assigning a result and not having to make a GIF for it. I'll state the game time so anyone can check on their own. Once every 3rd down dropback for the season is looked at, I'll do a tally so we get a total count. I'll cut up every play that seems inconclusive as to what the result should be. Here are the results I'll be giving each play.

Good read/pass - If Gabbert makes a decent throw and the WR drops the ball, it's still a "Good read/pass".
Missed read/pass - A WR was open and Gabbert didn't pull the trigger. Sometimes the progression/read on the play won't allow for Gabbert to see/make the throw because he wasn't supposed to be looking at that area of the field. I'll try to be conscious of this while using my best guess on the progression of the play and looking at where his head was pointed.
Play design takes ball out of Gabbert's hands - The design of the play prevents Gabbert from having to make a progression/coverage read. An example is on a screen pass, or designed throw, where there is only one primary target.
Poor pass protection - bad OL play causes a sack, bad throw/decision, or quick checkdown.
Checkdown too early - Gabbert throws the checkdown too early with no pocket pressure being applied.
Good defense - Sometimes the defense wins no matter what the offense does.
Bad playcall versus coverage - The route combination was not a good matchup versus the defensive coverage call.


Final Result for ATL game:
Good read/pass - 6
Missed read/pass - 3
Play design takes ball out of Gabbert's hands - 2
Poor pass protection - 0
Checkdown too early - 0
Good defense - 0
Bad playcall versus coverage - 1

Disclaimer: I'm grading harshly in an attempt to get a concrete count as to why the team failed/succeeded on 3rd downs. I am just playing armchair QB/coach knowing that I can't do better than an NFL QB. The GIFs are for you to tally your own count if you'd like. Everything is open for discussion and I'm trying my best to be unbiased.

Good breakdown of Gabbert's first game. Curious as to how much he 'Missed read/pass' against good defenses like the Cards and Seahawks. Because those misses are more critical when going against good defense which only gives you so few chances to make a positive play during the game, especially on 3rd downs.

From what I've seen of Gabbert, I'm comfortable as a football fan to trust Gabbert's judgement on any passing down or play. He's not going to be perfect every time, but I think most of the time his judgment is sound. He still has room to improve and I think he will this year. I'm still very open minded if there are evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by thl408:
ATL #9
Celek runs a stick nod route.
vs Cover4


Draugh's route draws the red LB forward. Celek head faking towards an Out route...


then to the post. Touchdown.

- Good timing and ball placement. Good read/throw.

Not sure wtf the MLB was looking at? If he was looking at the QB he would have had an easy INT.

Originally posted by thl408:
Added the rest of Gabbert's dropbacks for the ATL game (12 total). In order to get a quantitative count to summarize his performance on 3rd down dropbacks, I thought it was necessary to assign a result for each dropback. In doing the ATL game, I realized how many plays I'd have to cut up in order to show every 3rd down dropback. By assigning a final result to each play, I can briefly mention some plays by just assigning a result and not having to make a GIF for it. I'll state the game time so anyone can check on their own. Once every 3rd down dropback for the season is looked at, I'll do a tally so we get a total count. I'll cut up every play that seems inconclusive as to what the result should be. Here are the results I'll be giving each play.

Good read/pass - If Gabbert makes a decent throw and the WR drops the ball, it's still a "Good read/pass".
Missed read/pass - A WR was open and Gabbert didn't pull the trigger. Sometimes the progression/read on the play won't allow for Gabbert to see/make the throw because he wasn't supposed to be looking at that area of the field. I'll try to be conscious of this while using my best guess on the progression of the play and looking at where his head was pointed.
Play design takes ball out of Gabbert's hands - The design of the play prevents Gabbert from having to make a progression/coverage read. An example is on a screen pass, or designed throw, where there is only one primary target.
Poor pass protection - bad OL play causes a sack, bad throw/decision, or quick checkdown.
Checkdown too early - Gabbert throws the checkdown too early with no pocket pressure being applied.
Good defense - Sometimes the defense wins no matter what the offense does.
Bad playcall versus coverage - The route combination was not a good matchup versus the defensive coverage call.


Final Result for ATL game:
Good read/pass - 6
Missed read/pass - 3
Play design takes ball out of Gabbert's hands - 2
Poor pass protection - 0
Checkdown too early - 0
Good defense - 0
Bad playcall versus coverage - 1

Disclaimer: I'm grading harshly in an attempt to get a concrete count as to why the team failed/succeeded on 3rd downs. I am just playing armchair QB/coach knowing that I can't do better than an NFL QB. The GIFs are for you to tally your own count if you'd like. Everything is open for discussion and I'm trying my best to be unbiased.

I love the operational definitions. That helps a lot. Thank you...

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Good breakdown of Gabbert's first game. Curious as to how much he 'Missed read/pass' against good defenses like the Cards and Seahawks. Because those misses are more critical when going against good defense which only gives you so few chances to make a positive play during the game, especially on 3rd downs.

From what I've seen of Gabbert, I'm comfortable as a football fan to trust Gabbert's judgement on any passing down or play. He's not going to be perfect every time, but I think most of the time his judgment is sound. He still has room to improve and I think he will this year. I'm still very open minded if there are evidence to the contrary.

On 3rd downs, the 49ers went 2-11 against SEA, then 0-9 against ARI in the next two weeks after the ATL game so we'll dissect how that happened. I'm also curious how many fails were due to Missed reads, but I'm really curious how many of these 3rd down plays are in the "ball taken out of Gabbert's hands" category. I mentioned the ALEX stat earlier in the thread and some of these "ball taken out of his hands" plays contribute to that minus ALEX stat. I am positive we will see conservative WR screens called on 3rd & 10. Plays that made me want to turn off the TV because the playcalling was essentially waving a white flag.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:
ATL #9
Celek runs a stick nod route.
vs Cover4


Draugh's route draws the red LB forward. Celek head faking towards an Out route...


then to the post. Touchdown.

- Good timing and ball placement. Good read/throw.

Not sure wtf the MLB was looking at? If he was looking at the QB he would have had an easy INT.

My guess is the MLB was looking to the strong side of the formation to be alert for any crossing routes. Vance was the closest threat to him. Yeah, had he watched Gabbert, he may have been able to play the passing lane to Celek.

Originally posted by thl408:

My guess is the MLB was looking to the strong side of the formation to be alert for any crossing routes. Vance was the closest threat to him. Yeah, had he watched Gabbert, he may have been able to play the passing lane to Celek.

I wondering if the MLB was thinking drive concept when he sees Ellington on the drive/drag. At that point he is then looking to see if Vance is going to run the deep in that completes the drive concept.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
My guess is the MLB was looking to the strong side of the formation to be alert for any crossing routes. Vance was the closest threat to him. Yeah, had he watched Gabbert, he may have been able to play the passing lane to Celek.

I wondering if the MLB was thinking drive concept when he sees Ellington on the drive/drag. At that point he is then looking to see if Vance is going to run the deep in that completes the drive concept.

Yeah strong possibility of that. Not sure how many times, if any, Drive concept had been run in the game up till the time of this play, but the LB was definitely looking for a route to come his way from the strongside, and that removed him from being a factor on the throw.

Must. Have. Moreeee!! Thank you THL! Can't wait for more analysis

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:
ATL #9
Celek runs a stick nod route.
vs Cover4


Draugh's route draws the red LB forward. Celek head faking towards an Out route...


then to the post. Touchdown.

- Good timing and ball placement. Good read/throw.

Not sure wtf the MLB was looking at? If he was looking at the QB he would have had an easy INT.

My guess is the MLB was looking to the strong side of the formation to be alert for any crossing routes. Vance was the closest threat to him. Yeah, had he watched Gabbert, he may have been able to play the passing lane to Celek.

once he turned his shoulder pads his ability to cover the right side of the field is all over. Need to keep your pads parallel to the los. So you can still be able to slide either direction. It's the little things.

Great stuff! Seems like Gabbert wasn't afraid to go for longer throws on third down this game and hit a few... what happened after this game? Did he get rattled by getting hit or conservative play calling?

Originally posted by matguy87:
Great stuff! Seems like Gabbert wasn't afraid to go for longer throws on third down this game and hit a few... what happened after this game? Did he get rattled by getting hit or conservative play calling?

Your questions are the reason why this is being done. We will have a much clearer picture afterwards. Up until now, the popular reason for why the 49ers were so bad on 3rd downs was because Gabbert throws checkdowns too soon. This was not the case in the ATL game, but there are 6 more games to breakdown.