Offseason All22 Film Study

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by thl408:
SEA #10
Fade-Out to Gabbert's right. Boldin's pivot (out) route is to bust man coverage.
vs Cover 1 robber


Gabbert looks left and just hit the last step of his drop. No one is open to the left, yet. Pears says, "Watch out!".


Just needing 3 yards, Boldin on the double move was a possible target. Patton, with his defender playing soft over the top, was open. So an open WR to each side. No chance with the immediate pressure given up.

- Poor pass protection

Not sure why Boldin on the shake-out isn't the initial read here. Seattle gets killed by these routes, and he's clearly being manned up in pre-snap.

I completely agree. Boldin's route is designed to shake man coverage with Torrey clearing out the sideline area for Boldin to work. Had there not been immediate pressure, and Patton not coming open, I would have dinged Gabbert for a 'Missed Read' because he should have looked to his right (Boldin) as his initial read since it's a 'pick a side' play where Gabbert should look to whichever side of the field he thinks has the best chance at having an open target.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by thl408:
SEA #11

Deep curls vs Tampa2. Gabbert seen targeting Boldin.


Defender gets both hands on the ball, but drops the near INT.



Throw needed more air underneath, high to Boldin. Safety had a lot of depth and would not have been able to play this pass. Correct target, but bad throw. - Missed read/throw

I remember this one. It was very late in the game. They have been hitting Boldin on very similar routes on the right side, several times through the game. By this time I think the defender was looking for it. He saw it coming and made a break on it. I would have to put this close INT partly on play call also.

Yeah this was during garbage time and the 49ers had run All Curls (or some variety of it) a number of times. After you mentioned it, I do remember that when watching the game after it was played (multiple all curls). For this 3rd down study, I'm only looking at his 3rd down dropbacks, not every dropback, so I don't quite remember the specifics of a game. So I'm grading each dropback in a vacuum.

I'll most likely cut up each dropback from the ARI game since the 49ers went an amazing 0-9 on 3rd downs, and since it's a division rival. After that, I will probably shift to not showing plays where it is definitive, in my mind, what the classification of the play result is. For plays where I have any doubt, I will cut up.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Adding this context (and IYO, objective grades/evaluations) is so helpful in these reviews thl...much appreciated!

No problem. I'm curious how it all shakes out, and whether or not Gabbert earned his low ALEX metric.

From the week 11 SEA game, I have:
Good read/pass - 3
Missed read/pass - 4
Play design takes ball out of Gabbert's hands - 0
Poor pass protection - 2
Checkdown too early - 1
Good defense - 1
Bad playcall versus coverage - 0

Two week running total from ATL/SEA games I got:
Good read/pass - 9
Missed read/pass - 7
Play design takes ball out of Gabbert's hands - 2
Poor pass protection - 2
Checkdown too early - 1
Good defense - 1
Bad playcall versus coverage - 1

Still 6 more games to go.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Adding this context (and IYO, objective grades/evaluations) is so helpful in these reviews thl...much appreciated!

No problem. I'm curious how it all shakes out, and whether or not Gabbert earned his low ALEX metric.

From the week 11 SEA game, I have:
Good read/pass - 3
Missed read/pass - 4
Play design takes ball out of Gabbert's hands - 0
Poor pass protection - 2
Checkdown too early - 1
Good defense - 1
Bad playcall versus coverage - 0

Two week running total from ATL/SEA games I got:
Good read/pass - 9
Missed read/pass - 7
Play design takes ball out of Gabbert's hands - 2
Poor pass protection - 2
Checkdown too early - 1
Good defense - 1
Bad playcall versus coverage - 1

Still 6 more games to go.

Honestly, I think the way you break it out here REALLY helps paint the bigger picture. It can probably really help us as fans have more clear expectations going forward too should Gabbert win the job. Plus it puts the ALEX stat in question (in line with many discussions right now on metrics in NT).

But for me, I'm extra curious to see if he gets better and better with more experience/snaps off the bench (of course, considering the level of defenses he faced too). If he's ascending, that's a great sign.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by thl408:

SEA #10
Fade-Out to Gabbert's right. Boldin's pivot (out) route is to bust man coverage.
vs Cover 1 robber


Gabbert looks left and just hit the last step of his drop. No one is open to the left, yet. Pears says, "Watch out!".


Just needing 3 yards, Boldin on the double move was a possible target. Patton, with his defender playing soft over the top, was open. So an open WR to each side. No chance with the immediate pressure given up.

- Poor pass protection

Not sure why Boldin on the shake-out isn't the initial read here. Seattle gets killed by these routes, and he's clearly being manned up in pre-snap.

I completely agree. Boldin's route is designed to shake man coverage with Torrey clearing out the sideline area for Boldin to work. Had there not been immediate pressure, and Patton not coming open, I would have dinged Gabbert for a 'Missed Read' because he should have looked to his right (Boldin) as his initial read since it's a 'pick a side' play where Gabbert should look to whichever side of the field he thinks has the best chance at having an open target.

Gabbert if selected to be the starter, better get use to looking and throwing those whip/pivot routes.
This style of play is one of Chip's main plays. It's basically his companion play to his mesh plays.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Gabbert if selected to be the starter, better get use to looking and throwing those whip/pivot routes.
This style of play is one of Chip's main plays. It's basically his companion play to his mesh plays.

Is the nae-nae route a compliment route to the whip route?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Gabbert if selected to be the starter, better get use to looking and throwing those whip/pivot routes.
This style of play is one of Chip's main plays. It's basically his companion play to his mesh plays.

Is the nae-nae route a compliment route to the whip route?

Here is an example of Chip's mesh play

You can see how the whip/pivots start out looking like a mesh (basically, 2 drags running at each other). What I'm not too sure of is, if chip's calls two seperate plays or if the whips are almost option like routes for the receivers based on coverage or even a QB check persnap.

Also, I've never heard of a "nae-nae" route. What's it look like?

Originally posted by Niners816:

Also, I've never heard of a "nae-nae" route. What's it look like?

Oh, it looks like this Whip and Nae-Nae routes

I think Patton and Ellington are best suited for these (a little Friday humor).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Also, I've never heard of a "nae-nae" route. What's it look like?

Oh, it looks like this Whip and Nae-Nae routes

I think Patton and Ellington are best suited for these (a little Friday humor).

I got you I'm a metal guy, so that was a little off my radar

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Also, I've never heard of a "nae-nae" route. What's it look like?

Oh, it looks like this Whip and Nae-Nae routes

I think Patton and Ellington are best suited for these (a little Friday humor).

I got you I'm a metal guy, so that was a little off my radar

I have kids. I have no choice. Lol

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Also, I've never heard of a "nae-nae" route. What's it look like?

Oh, it looks like this Whip and Nae-Nae routes

I think Patton and Ellington are best suited for these (a little Friday humor).

I got you I'm a metal guy, so that was a little off my radar

Lol, I fell for it NC. All this studying up on Kelly I've been doing, I was like how did I miss something sounding that interesting? In fact I went straight to Google search.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:
Also, I've never heard of a "nae-nae" route. What's it look like?

Oh, it looks like this Whip and Nae-Nae routes

I think Patton and Ellington are best suited for these (a little Friday humor).

Originally posted by NCommand:

I have kids. I have no choice. Lol

I know this feeling. 5 and 3 year old boys and a girl on the way!

Originally posted by Niners816:
Here is an example of Chip's mesh play

You can see how the whip/pivots start out looking like a mesh (basically, 2 drags running at each other). What I'm not too sure of is, if chip's calls two seperate plays or if the whips are almost option like routes for the receivers based on coverage or even a QB check persnap.

Also, I've never heard of a "nae-nae" route. What's it look like?

There is player testimony (DJax) that they are allowed to change their routes post snap, depending on coverage. Although when running Mesh and the WRs read 'zone', they will simply stop their routes in the middle of the field, not run a pivot route since Mesh and pivot both bust man coverage. I suppose there is a case where a WR can be running a drag route versus man coverage, read inside leverage from the CB, then pivot away from him.

Here is Mesh, WRs read zone, stop in the middle of the field to find a quiet area.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Lol, I fell for it NC. All this studying up on Kelly I've been doing, I was like how did I miss something sounding that interesting? In fact I went straight to Google search.

LOL. Outstanding!

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

I know this feeling. 5 and 3 year old boys and a girl on the way!

Oh just wait until the pre teen and teen years!