Offseason All22 Film Study

Originally posted by thl408:

An example of isolation of RB on LB. Red motions across the formation and a CB follows, man coverage.


Orange slant creates a partial pick/rub on the LB assigned to cover the RB out of the backfield. Purple clears the sidelines.


Easy throw, easy catch, run. Easy +10

Horrible, Horrible play by Matthews IMO. Definitely was too cocky on that one and took a hop and by that time the RB already had steps on him. Shorter gain or not, great design by Kyle to help trick Matthews

This was mentioned before in the thread. Just shows up a lot because it's such an effective way to bust Cover3. The Dig route with some sort of underneath route in front of the LB's face to draw the LB forward and create a vertical stretch.
1st & 10


Playaction to draw LBs forward.


Orange underneath route to keep the LB (hook zone defender) shallow for the yellow Dig to attack behind.


+17

Here's that route again in the red zone, to the wide side of the field. Safe to say this is one of Kyle's 'go to' ways to attack the red zone. Calling up the same concepts isn't anything abnormal. Just dress it up with different personnel and disguised with different formations.


pass incomplete

Originally posted by thl408:

Here's that route again in the red zone, to the wide side of the field. Safe to say this is one of Kyle's 'go to' ways to attack the red zone. Calling up the same concepts isn't anything abnormal. Just dress it up with different personnel and disguised with different formations.


pass incomplete

This is basically the playaction boot play ran to the opposite side of the QBs throwing arm. The way the highlighted route is ran give this play the flood action. His dad use to do this as well. His offense runs the boot off of the stretch a lot so it's nice that he calls at different throwing platforms.

Originally posted by Niners816:
This is basically the playaction boot play ran to the opposite side of the QBs throwing arm. The way the highlighted route is ran give this play the flood action. His dad use to do this as well. His offense runs the boot off of the stretch a lot so it's nice that he calls at different throwing platforms.

He'll call that route without the flood action as well (post 558). The two constants are the WR having a reduced split, and it's run to the wide side of the field. In the GB example, I think GB was on to it and doubled that WR.

Having watched a lot of Kyle's plays the past couple months, I see things he likes to repeatedly call. I'm not saying he's predictable. Huge difference between watching a play then recognizing the concept that is being repeatedly called, and looking at a formation pre-snap knowing what's about to happen (bad). Based on the effectiveness of Kyle's offenses, and some stat I read about Kyle using so many formations, I think Kyle does a great job keeping defenses guessing by mixing personnel/formations. One of the reasons he requires the complicated verbiage to his playcalls.

Originally posted by thl408:
This was mentioned before in the thread. Just shows up a lot because it's such an effective way to bust Cover3. The Dig route with some sort of underneath route in front of the LB's face to draw the LB forward and create a vertical stretch.
1st & 10


Playaction to draw LBs forward.


Orange underneath route to keep the LB (hook zone defender) shallow for the yellow Dig to attack behind.


+17

Heh, this play is basically 5 pass catchers out running patterns. Both RB's are out and looking for the ball. I can see a Joe Williams catching a check down on a play like this and hurting the defense with his speed.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:
This is basically the playaction boot play ran to the opposite side of the QBs throwing arm. The way the highlighted route is ran give this play the flood action. His dad use to do this as well. His offense runs the boot off of the stretch a lot so it's nice that he calls at different throwing platforms.

He'll call that route without the flood action as well (post 558). The two constants are the WR having a reduced split, and it's run to the wide side of the field. In the GB example, I think GB was on to it and doubled that WR.

Having watched a lot of Kyle's plays the past couple months, I see things he likes to repeatedly call. I'm not saying he's predictable. Huge difference between watching a play then recognizing the concept that is being repeatedly called, and looking at a formation pre-snap knowing what's about to happen (bad). Based on the effectiveness of Kyle's offenses, and some stat I read about Kyle using so many formations, I think Kyle does a great job keeping defenses guessing by mixing personnel/formations. One of the reasons he requires the complicated verbiage to his playcalls.

I still remember Guy Mcintyre running the football in Walsh's offense, and Staley catching a pass from Alex. I wonder if he's going to call plays like those.

Originally posted by thl408:
This was mentioned before in the thread. Just shows up a lot because it's such an effective way to bust Cover3. The Dig route with some sort of underneath route in front of the LB's face to draw the LB forward and create a vertical stretch.
1st & 10


Playaction to draw LBs forward.


Orange underneath route to keep the LB (hook zone defender) shallow for the yellow Dig to attack behind.


+17

Do you think we have a QB who can recognize where to throw, get rid of the ball fast enough and accurately enough for this play to work? As soon as Ryan's back foot plants the ball is out, on time and the placement is near perfect.

On this type of play, our previous QBs (all of them) would have tried to throw a check down or run.

Originally posted by thl408:

He'll call that route without the flood action as well (post 558). The two constants are the WR having a reduced split, and it's run to the wide side of the field. In the GB example, I think GB was on to it and doubled that WR.

Having watched a lot of Kyle's plays the past couple months, I see things he likes to repeatedly call. I'm not saying he's predictable. Huge difference between watching a play then recognizing the concept that is being repeatedly called, and looking at a formation pre-snap knowing what's about to happen (bad). Based on the effectiveness of Kyle's offenses, and some stat I read about Kyle using so many formations, I think Kyle does a great job keeping defenses guessing by mixing personnel/formations. One of the reasons he requires the complicated verbiage to his playcalls.

I know I harp on it a lot, but that's exactly like our dynasty day offenses. Multiple formations using basically 10-15 tried and true concepts. Look all the times we repeatedly got drive open or spot. The defense's knew the concepts but with formation usage and shifts/motion we always seemed to get who we wanted open.

To me it that highlighted route looks like the route ran by the zebra on this play:

Originally posted by PacTiger:
Do you think we have a QB who can recognize where to throw, get rid of the ball fast enough and accurately enough for this play to work? As soon as Ryan's back foot plants the ball is out, on time and the placement is near perfect.

On this type of play, our previous QBs (all of them) would have tried to throw a check down or run.

There's a lot of trust with what Ryan did here. Like you said, as soon as he completed the play fake, turn, plant, throw. He trusted that he presnap diagnosed Cover3. He trusted that the playaction would draw up the LBs to create a passing lane. He trusted that the WR would be there at that time. Also helps that WR is Julio. Do I think there's a QB on the roster that can do that? I'll assume Hoyer can and that's why Kyle got him. Probably not consistently which is why he's a journeyman QB.

Originally posted by PacTiger:
Do you think we have a QB who can recognize where to throw, get rid of the ball fast enough and accurately enough for this play to work? As soon as Ryan's back foot plants the ball is out, on time and the placement is near perfect.

On this type of play, our previous QBs (all of them) would have tried to throw a check down or run.

This play wouldn't work without a credible run game. The play fake is the key that opens up the passing lane to the receiver.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by PacTiger:
Do you think we have a QB who can recognize where to throw, get rid of the ball fast enough and accurately enough for this play to work? As soon as Ryan's back foot plants the ball is out, on time and the placement is near perfect.

On this type of play, our previous QBs (all of them) would have tried to throw a check down or run.

There's a lot of trust with what Ryan did here. Like you said, as soon as he completed the play fake, turn, plant, throw. He trusted that he presnap diagnosed Cover3. He trusted that the playaction would draw up the LBs to create a passing lane. He trusted that the WR would be there at that time. Also helps that WR is Julio. Do I think there's a QB on the roster that can do that? I'll assume Hoyer can and that's why Kyle got him. Probably not consistently which is why he's a journeyman QB.

I think if Cousins signs with the DeadSkins to a long term franchise level contract, and CJ does look like he can become a decent QB, I'm betting next year Kyle will try to get a Julio Jones for his offense in the draft. A guy that has the speed, strength, size, quickness to run every route in the passing tree and become an all pro at it. That will really help any of the QB's on our roster next year because once the offense has that go-to guy that the QB *trusts* to come down with the ball in a contested play, Kyles offense will really open up.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by PacTiger:
Do you think we have a QB who can recognize where to throw, get rid of the ball fast enough and accurately enough for this play to work? As soon as Ryan's back foot plants the ball is out, on time and the placement is near perfect.

On this type of play, our previous QBs (all of them) would have tried to throw a check down or run.

This play wouldn't work without a credible run game. The play fake is the key that opens up the passing lane to the receiver.

...or the short passing game (chess; short to suck up the LB's and then hit 'em deep).

Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm betting next year Kyle will try to get a Julio Jones for his offense in the draft.

The Julio Jones of the world come around once every decade, if that.

And there's no Julio Jones in next year's class.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by PacTiger:
Do you think we have a QB who can recognize where to throw, get rid of the ball fast enough and accurately enough for this play to work? As soon as Ryan's back foot plants the ball is out, on time and the placement is near perfect.

On this type of play, our previous QBs (all of them) would have tried to throw a check down or run.

This play wouldn't work without a credible run game. The play fake is the key that opens up the passing lane to the receiver.

...or the short passing game (chess; short to suck up the LB's and then hit 'em deep).

Another way is speed receivers. Guys with blazing speed that DB's just don't want get behind them. That was my pet peeve with Baalke, he spent draft capital on defense (which was fine) but when he had the chance to open up Harbaugh's passing game by getting a top flight speed receiver with good hands, he passed up on that and picked up junk like A J. Jenkins. DB's tend to give a lot of cushion to good speed receivers, that opens up the passing lane to the Z receivers and the TE. If A.J. Jenkins was at least as serviceable as J.J. Stokes, we'd have won that super bowl. Harbaugh would still be coaching, Colin would still be our QB.