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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
jonny, thl, and the other film guys, how good are you at predicting plays during the game?

You talking run vs pass or specific concepts?

Most of the time TV doesn't give you a clear look at the defense and is panning around. Personally, Im pretty good at sniffing out what I think the pass concept was with just a look (usually I PM THL when I see something cool ).

I can sometimes narrow it down to what I think it will be based on formation. For example if we come out in a 21 personnel I form variant I suspect if it's a pass we will see PIN concept play so I will be looking for that. That's really not predicting it but I'm looking for it.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Apr 12, 2018 at 7:49 PM ]
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
jonny, thl, and the other film guys, how good are you at predicting plays during the game?

You talking run vs pass or specific concepts?

Most of the time TV doesn't give you a clear look at the defense and is panning around. Personally, Im pretty good at sniffing out what I think the pass concept was with just a look (usually I PM THL when I see something cool ).

I can sometimes narrow it down to what I think it will be based on formation. For example if we come out in a 21 personnel I form variant I suspect if it's a pass we will see PIN concept play so I will be looking for that. That's really not predicting it but I'm looking for it.

Thats awesome. Yeah I wish they would zoom out a bit too.
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
jonny, thl, and the other film guys, how good are you at predicting plays during the game?

I don't try to predict when watching, but I don't think I'd do any better than anyone else. When watching live I just look at personnel during presnap. Stuff like when Tony Romo says, "watch for a run to the left", I never predict.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
jonny, thl, and the other film guys, how good are you at predicting plays during the game?

I don't try to predict when watching, but I don't think I'd do any better than anyone else. When watching live I just look at personnel during presnap. Stuff like when Tony Romo says, "watch for a run to the left", I never predict.

Thats cool. Romo is pretty damn good at that.
Could we see potentially 4 original S's on the field at the same time if we go Minkah Fitzpatrick?

Ward
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Fitz
I love this f**king thread. Thank you so much.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
jonny, thl, and the other film guys, how good are you at predicting plays during the game?

If I've watched film on the opposition I can get pretty close to knowing when it'll be run V pass or PA. Shanny is really hard to predict.

When I see audibles happening I can usually get pretty close on those.

If I haven't watched the opponent yet - I'm just as clueless as anyone else, lol.
Put me down as another who loves this thread. In fact, I joined webzone specifically for this thread.

Hats off!
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One of the core principles of a true WCO is ball control passing. The easiest way to achieve this is to use the RBs in the passing game. Reviewing the 2017 season offense, it was obvious that Kyle wanted to get the RBs involved in the passing game. Based on the acquisition of "Jet" McKinnon, Kyle wants to be more dynamic in this area. I spotlighted all the RB routes and saw some creative ways that Kyle used to get the ball to the RB. Concepts that included creative screens, isolating the RB on a LB, and running the RB into space, were some of the ways Kyle went about featuring his RB in the passing game.

While Hyde was targeted more than Brieda by nearly a 3:1 ratio, it was Brieda who got the featured routes - the routes that were designed to get the RB the ball. Many of Hyde's targets were on checkdowns, which I don't consider as a play where the RB is 'featured'. Here are a number of plays that might preview how Kyle will use Jet in 2018.
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[ Edited by Wodwo on May 11, 2018 at 10:27 AM ]
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This is a concept I saw many times throughout the season, and it's simple in what it tries to accomplish. There's a common idea that Kyle employs when using his RB out of the backfield to attack the flats. See if you can notice it.
49ers have identified man coverage here and will run a mesh concept directly over the short middle of the field where there are many bodies. The green/red/orange routes all work to the opposite side of the field while the RB out of the backfield works to the wide side of the field (based on spot of the ball on the hash).
Blue LB has the RB in man coverage. Just looking at the routes, we see that blue LB has a lot of traffic to work through in order to cover the RB.
vs Cover 1 blitz


The LB is already behind the play, and has ground to makeup in order to cover the RB never thought Breida would release to the opposite side.


With the RB immediately releasing to the opposite side of the formation, there is too much traffic in the box for the LB to get through. Easy conversion.

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Same idea. This is against a pattern match Cover3.


Three routes from the strongside of the formation run to the opposite side of the field. Defenders match. The "goat" on this play is the strongside C/F defender. He matches the route of the #2 and abandons his curl/flat area.


The RB having to reach back for the pass eliminates the opportunity to get RAC. Still got the 3rd down conversion.

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More of the same. vs Cover 1 blitz. There's a blown coverage because the LB that's supposed to cover Breida.


This idea of releasing the RB to the opposite side of the formation really tests the eyes of the box defenders. It's not often that a RB lines up to the left/right of the QB, then releases by crossing the QB's face to attack the opposite side of the formation. In all the plays above, and most of the plays to be shown, the RB attacking the flat will attack the wide side of the field. There's more room to work some RAC this way.
[ Edited by thl408 on May 11, 2018 at 10:27 AM ]
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I saw this play a number of times in 2017. Similar idea of clearing out space for the RB in the flat to work. Here, the clearing out takes place vertically as orange/yellow go vertical instead of to the opposite side of the field.
vs Cover1 Robber


RB isolated on LB, to the wide side of the field.


The throw leads the RB to RAC. Easy +10.
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Nice!

Kyle really seems to love concepts that pull coverage to one side of the field while sneaking a receiver out the back door. He does the same thing with the FB and TE.

Good stuff! Can't wait to see McKinnon catching passes with all that space to run.


lol This is why he got McKinnon
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This is a route combo that Kyle will run using a WR, TE, and here, a RB to run the slant - a simple two route rub/pick play. Red sets a pick for the yellow slant. This route combo was called a lot in 2017 against man coverage.
LB lined up across from a RB that's split wide means man coverage.


Red (TTaylor) has to work upfield. He's not trying to get open at all, just cause a mess so that the RB can work underneath the pick.


The LB has to work over the top of the pick (Taylor and CB). This gives a window to the slant.


Conversion.


Isolating a LB vs RB matchup on the outside. How many LBs are comfortable in this situation?
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