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I'm curious about which rules changes kyle might be planning to attack. Can you give an example or two? I can think of not hitting a guy who doesn't see it coming but is there something specific you were thinking of?
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I'm curious about which rules changes kyle might be planning to attack. Can you give an example or two? I can think of not hitting a guy who doesn't see it coming but is there something specific you were thinking of?

When the NFL changed the rules to where the O Linemen can open their hands to pass block, Walsh took advantage of that and made an offense that was more pass first than run first. Open hands makes it easier to hold as an O LIneman pass blocking on offense, so now the pass rushers have a much harder time getting to the QB.

One of the rules changes was the defenseless receiver, so even though you have a 5 yard bump rule still in effect at the LOS, the defenseless receiver rule (I think) potentially overrides that and Juszczyk and other *Tight End like* players might have a field day catching passes near the LOS. The zone run that gets the defense running left or right and the QB bootleg that allows the QB to pass to the TE/Fullback running counter to the O Line movement, I think is a brilliant way to take advantage of the defenseless receiver rule, in that if Juszczyk or Kittle gets blindsided by a DB or LB just waiting to slobberknock them, it's a penalty (and I think it's a personal violation of the 10+ yard kind) somebody correct me if I got it wrong. I'm sure Kyle is cooking some deep ins and outs that that look like picks but because of the defenseless receiver rules, might be allowed. Who knows, I'll be like you and all the rest of the fans - viewing in wonder at Kyle's possible genius.
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I'm curious about which rules changes kyle might be planning to attack. Can you give an example or two? I can think of not hitting a guy who doesn't see it coming but is there something specific you were thinking of?

Dante Pettis!!!!

No running starts
Under the old rules, players could start at the 30-yard line and get a running start, so long as they didn't cross the 35-yard line before the kick. The new rule will force players to wait at the 34-yard line.
The goal is to slow down the coverage unit a bit and reduce the speed of collisions with blockers.
Most of the return team is confined to a "setup zone"
Eight of the return team's 11 players will now begin a kickoff in a 15-yard zone near midfield. Previously, blockers were allowed to start anywhere, so long as they were behind their "restraining line", which was 10 yards from the kicking team.
This will force blockers to run down the field with the coverage team, making blocking similar to that of a punt.
No wedge blocks
With eight players in the "setup zone", that leaves two blockers and a returner near the goal line. Those two players cannot team up to both block the same player. Wedges have been gradually phased out of the NFL, with the rule dwindling down to just two-player wedges in 2009. They have now been removed altogether.
No blocking in the first 15 yards
This new rule will force the return team blockers to wait until the coverage unit has crossed midfield before engaging. This solves two things:
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/5/22/17369774/nfl-kickoff-rule-change-explained
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I look forward to George and Juszczyk killing it with this play.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I'm curious about which rules changes kyle might be planning to attack. Can you give an example or two? I can think of not hitting a guy who doesn't see it coming but is there something specific you were thinking of?

Dante Pettis!!!!


No running starts
Under the old rules, players could start at the 30-yard line and get a running start, so long as they didn't cross the 35-yard line before the kick. The new rule will force players to wait at the 34-yard line.
The goal is to slow down the coverage unit a bit and reduce the speed of collisions with blockers.
Most of the return team is confined to a "setup zone"
Eight of the return team's 11 players will now begin a kickoff in a 15-yard zone near midfield. Previously, blockers were allowed to start anywhere, so long as they were behind their "restraining line", which was 10 yards from the kicking team.
This will force blockers to run down the field with the coverage team, making blocking similar to that of a punt.
No wedge blocks
With eight players in the "setup zone", that leaves two blockers and a returner near the goal line. Those two players cannot team up to both block the same player. Wedges have been gradually phased out of the NFL, with the rule dwindling down to just two-player wedges in 2009. They have now been removed altogether.
No blocking in the first 15 yards
This new rule will force the return team blockers to wait until the coverage unit has crossed midfield before engaging. This solves two things:
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/5/22/17369774/nfl-kickoff-rule-change-explained

Nice post. Thx.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

The league admires kyle for his playcalling, his game planning. True. The league recognizes Jimmy for his qb Skills. True. But i don't think any of them understand what is coming from pairing them. This is 1 + 1 = 7. And that is what the NFL is about to learn.
Well put Doc and Geidi. I keep hearing, "Sorry, but I don't think this team is going very far. They just don't have anyone that wows you, that can take over a game." They fail to grasp that 1+1=7 thing, as you put it.
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Watching the new 49er defensive scheme is something I've done a lot the past few seasons with DCs coming and going annually. It was fun to discuss the new things that new coaches would bring in. We knew Saleh's scheme would be similar to SEA's, but he said it would have its own wrinkles. I don't know the ATL/SEA/JAC/LAC defenses to say for certain what his wrinkles are, but there are a couple things that I saw different from past 49er defenses.

Quick rundown of observations. Saleh's scheme is Cover3 dominate with the CBs asked to man up against vertical routes. Pattern matching to match intermediate/deep routes on passing downs. 8 in the box on run/pass neutral downs. Rarely blitz, but when they do it's heavily leaned towards Cover1 (man coverage), not Fire Zone (3 deep, 3 under). I watched mainly the last 8 games of 2017 to allow time for some team cohesion, even though 3 important pieces didn't play till later in the season (Foster, Spoon, Colbert).
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On passing downs, many teams play with two 3tech DTs. The 49ers did not do this the majority of the time, in fact they rarely did this, by my mental count in the last 8 games.



Instead, they would many times use a 3t and a 4i - SEA/ATL/LAC all do this often.



The 49ers take it to another level and use two 4i to further widen their front - helmet to inside shoulder of OT. ATL/JAC did this very few times (skimming through 3 games). 49ers did this a lot. A few examples and why they might be doing this.
The edges are very wide with the RDE wide 9 of the detached TE.


The LT takes a moment to give the LG some help - shoving DeFo. There are two 2v2s here with the DL and the OG/OT. The C has to decide where to help.


If the C stays in the middle, then he's just a passive presence to help the two OG's A gaps, but not directly involved in the blocking.


Any hesitation from the OT and the edge player can come unblocked due to the wide split.


49ers will mix up man and zone on 3rd downs. Tampa 2 is an important part of the playbook as it is seen in nearly every game. But again, they do mix it up on 3rd downs.
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All 3 interior OL uncovered. Trying to put each OLmen on an island.


Whichever side the C helps with, the other A gap is free to attack.


It's okay, RG, DeFo does this to many guys. If a RB wants to chipblock, that just eliminates a route from the quick passing game.
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Forcing the C to decide which side to help isolates the 2v2 matchup on the other side.


With so much room to block for, it widens the OL as well.


The idea was to get the RE looping in due to the C leaving space to work. Downside is an escape lane for the QB.
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If pressure doesn't appear up the middle, the QB has room to step up. When playing this wide of a front, the two 4i have to be wary of their inside.


Clear pocket to step into.


A disadvantage of using two 4techs.
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This isn't an example of the 49ers using two 4t, but of what the Tackle/End stunt (play above) was supposed to do - rushing as a two man unit in a 2v2.


Center leaves space to work.


LG occupied enough to make him late.


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Another example of 4i. It happens a lot. Here against a man protection scheme (LT follows edge).


Just flashing directly into the vision of the QB could force a quick throw.


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A big play that was helped from this wide alignment.


C splits the difference, helps no one.


Allows each DT to have two ways to attack.
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