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Aug 23, 2018 at 7:06 AM
  • TheNef77
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Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll try to pass this off to jonnyd. There is no endzone view or all22 for preseason so it's hard to get a sense for spacing along the OL. Also impossible to see the far side of the OL since the guys in front prevent being able to see the guys on the far side. I think all the RBs have been victims of poor run blocking so between that and the broadcast view, it's difficult for me to isolate the RBs and evaluate them.

I think the blocking has been poor as well for all RB's, the big gains seem to have come for Mostert and McNichols but on runs to the outside of the tackle. I'd managed to find this from Baldy which had me thinking about it:


Smoke, this was the one where I was telling you that Richburg missed his assignment. If he thinks you're his assignment, you're getting blocked. Just gotta better diagnose his assignment.
Aug 23, 2018 at 7:12 AM
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll try to pass this off to jonnyd. There is no endzone view or all22 for preseason so it's hard to get a sense for spacing along the OL. Also impossible to see the far side of the OL since the guys in front prevent being able to see the guys on the far side. I think all the RBs have been victims of poor run blocking so between that and the broadcast view, it's difficult for me to isolate the RBs and evaluate them.

I think the blocking has been poor as well for all RB's, the big gains seem to have come for Mostert and McNichols but on runs to the outside of the tackle. I'd managed to find this from Baldy which had me thinking about it:


Buch, he's a good breakdown for you.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/22/17767826/49ers-texans-film-breakdown-rushing-offense-jeremy-mcnichols-joe-williams-raheem-mostert
Aug 23, 2018 at 9:51 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll try to pass this off to jonnyd. There is no endzone view or all22 for preseason so it's hard to get a sense for spacing along the OL. Also impossible to see the far side of the OL since the guys in front prevent being able to see the guys on the far side. I think all the RBs have been victims of poor run blocking so between that and the broadcast view, it's difficult for me to isolate the RBs and evaluate them.

I think the blocking has been poor as well for all RB's, the big gains seem to have come for Mostert and McNichols but on runs to the outside of the tackle. I'd managed to find this from Baldy which had me thinking about it:


Buch, he's a good breakdown for you.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/22/17767826/49ers-texans-film-breakdown-rushing-offense-jeremy-mcnichols-joe-williams-raheem-mostert
OZ blocking rules are very simple, "next man over" while you get on your "track"... your blocking assignment is going to be the next man over from headup playside, if you are going second level you get on a track that is approximately 45 degrees... Person #65 screws this play up because he can't block his man, Richburgh screws because he was supposed to punch and pass off his guy and get the second level LB... OZ is great as long as everyone follows their rules lol
Aug 23, 2018 at 2:14 PM
If Richburgh would have got to Cunningham, like he should, the cutback would have been enormous....Staley walled that sh*t down
Aug 23, 2018 at 2:27 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
You guys should breakdown that 4th down play in the Houston preseason game. Kyle indicated Jimmy misread the play but found Juice down the sideline, made it work and converted the down anyway.

Kyle said, 'I ain't mad', after the result. But what did Jimmy do wrong ...
Slant-flat to the right + 2 man stick to the left
HOU shows a Quarters shell. Middle Field Open, safeties playing shallow.
Versus a Quarters shell, the '2 man Stick' concept is the proper read - the flat is the area to attack versus Quarters.


HOU brings 5, that leaves two underneath defenders. JG didn't pull the trigger to Goodwin so the open WR should be Celek.


Doesn't pull the trigger to Celek. Maybe 57 flashed in the passing lane. Now Kyle is worried.


JG moves to the Slant-Flat.
Red CB should know he has shallow safety help to the inside - don't match the Slant. He matches the Slant route and now Juice outflanks him.


If two guys are on the Slant, someone else is open. Rollin down the field sippin on Jim and Juice. +24. (heard 'Jim and Juice' from the telecast)


Kyle talking specifically about this play:
https://www.49ers.com/video/kyle-shanahan-recaps-last-minute-loss-to-houston-texans
@ 2:24

That LB was in position to intercept the ball if he threw to Goodwin or Celek
Aug 23, 2018 at 2:39 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Buchy:
Hey jonny, thl, any chance you could look at some breakdown of Joe Williams pre-season runs please?

I'm really curious about whether he's struggling or just had really bad run blocking from the oline when he's in. I saw one clip from Baldy's breakdown on twitter showing the run blocking on the oline screwing up and it was Williams that was in. From my limited film viewing it looks like he's been the victim of some bad run blocking on the majority of his snaps but I'm not sure.
I'll try to pass this off to jonnyd. There is no endzone view or all22 for preseason so it's hard to get a sense for spacing along the OL. Also impossible to see the far side of the OL since the guys in front prevent being able to see the guys on the far side. I think all the RBs have been victims of poor run blocking so between that and the broadcast view, it's difficult for me to isolate the RBs and evaluate them.

And I'll pass this off to the regular season, haha. Yeah, no coachesfilm for pre-season. So, too hard to tell anything....sad face
Aug 24, 2018 at 12:44 AM
Originally posted by TheNef77:
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll try to pass this off to jonnyd. There is no endzone view or all22 for preseason so it's hard to get a sense for spacing along the OL. Also impossible to see the far side of the OL since the guys in front prevent being able to see the guys on the far side. I think all the RBs have been victims of poor run blocking so between that and the broadcast view, it's difficult for me to isolate the RBs and evaluate them.

I think the blocking has been poor as well for all RB's, the big gains seem to have come for Mostert and McNichols but on runs to the outside of the tackle. I'd managed to find this from Baldy which had me thinking about it:


Smoke, this was the one where I was telling you that Richburg missed his assignment. If he thinks you're his assignment, you're getting blocked. Just gotta better diagnose his assignment.

Yeah haha. I'm not worried about Richburg, not an easy task to be clicking on all cylinders from the get go as Shanny's starting C in his complex offense. I think hell have a great game Saturday. Should keep getting better as the games go.
Aug 24, 2018 at 1:03 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Buch, he's a good breakdown for you.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/22/17767826/49ers-texans-film-breakdown-rushing-offense-jeremy-mcnichols-joe-williams-raheem-mostert

Cheers mate, that's a good read and echoes what I think the problem has been for the run game. There's obviously going to be times when the lineman is pushed back but I think the bigger issue has been missed assignments.

I guess we're seeing evidence of the old adage that the offensive line takes longest to gel.
Aug 24, 2018 at 1:09 AM
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Buch, he's a good breakdown for you.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/22/17767826/49ers-texans-film-breakdown-rushing-offense-jeremy-mcnichols-joe-williams-raheem-mostert

Cheers mate, that's a good read and echoes what I think the problem has been for the run game. There's obviously going to be times when the lineman is pushed back but I think the bigger issue has been missed assignments.

I guess we're seeing evidence of the old adage that the offensive line takes longest to gel.

Yep. Don't forget 3 new starters on OL.
Aug 24, 2018 at 1:26 AM
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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Buch, he's a good breakdown for you.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/22/17767826/49ers-texans-film-breakdown-rushing-offense-jeremy-mcnichols-joe-williams-raheem-mostert

Cheers mate, that's a good read and echoes what I think the problem has been for the run game. There's obviously going to be times when the lineman is pushed back but I think the bigger issue has been missed assignments.

I guess we're seeing evidence of the old adage that the offensive line takes longest to gel.

Yep. Don't forget 3 new starters on OL.

Hopefully after a half of football against the Colts and more practice they will be much better come week 1
Aug 24, 2018 at 1:35 AM
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Buch, he's a good breakdown for you.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/22/17767826/49ers-texans-film-breakdown-rushing-offense-jeremy-mcnichols-joe-williams-raheem-mostert

Cheers mate, that's a good read and echoes what I think the problem has been for the run game. There's obviously going to be times when the lineman is pushed back but I think the bigger issue has been missed assignments.

I guess we're seeing evidence of the old adage that the offensive line takes longest to gel.

Yep. Don't forget 3 new starters on OL.

Hopefully after a half of football against the Colts and more practice they will be much better come week 1

Yessir. It'll certainly help. I would like to see one drive after the half. One more drive would be good. Can use it as a testing situation. Those times you might be down 10+ at half.
Aug 24, 2018 at 1:38 AM
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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Buch, he's a good breakdown for you.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/22/17767826/49ers-texans-film-breakdown-rushing-offense-jeremy-mcnichols-joe-williams-raheem-mostert

Cheers mate, that's a good read and echoes what I think the problem has been for the run game. There's obviously going to be times when the lineman is pushed back but I think the bigger issue has been missed assignments.

I guess we're seeing evidence of the old adage that the offensive line takes longest to gel.

Yep. Don't forget 3 new starters on OL.

Hopefully after a half of football against the Colts and more practice they will be much better come week 1

Yessir. It'll certainly help. I would like to see one drive after the half. One more drive would be good. Can use it as a testing situation. Those times you might be down 10+ at half.

Thats a good point. We have a ridiculously tough test week 1 at Minnesota. The offense needs to be clicking. This might just be me, but I hope we can see Bourne and Pettis get some more time playing with Jimmy.
Aug 24, 2018 at 1:41 AM
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Buch, he's a good breakdown for you.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/22/17767826/49ers-texans-film-breakdown-rushing-offense-jeremy-mcnichols-joe-williams-raheem-mostert

Cheers mate, that's a good read and echoes what I think the problem has been for the run game. There's obviously going to be times when the lineman is pushed back but I think the bigger issue has been missed assignments.

I guess we're seeing evidence of the old adage that the offensive line takes longest to gel.

Yep. Don't forget 3 new starters on OL.

Hopefully after a half of football against the Colts and more practice they will be much better come week 1

Yessir. It'll certainly help. I would like to see one drive after the half. One more drive would be good. Can use it as a testing situation. Those times you might be down 10+ at half.

Thats a good point. We have a ridiculously tough test week 1 at Minnesota. The offense needs to be clicking. This might just be me, but I hope we can see Bourne and Pettis get some more time playing with Jimmy.

Think we definitely have a good "mystery" factor to us. You kind of already know what you're gonna get with Minny. Especially their D under Zimmer for years. Bet your ass shanny has been game planning for a long time. Obviousky he's faced him over the years as well.
[ Edited by SmokeCrabtrees on Aug 24, 2018 at 1:41 AM ]
Aug 24, 2018 at 5:53 AM
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Yessir. It'll certainly help. I would like to see one drive after the half. One more drive would be good. Can use it as a testing situation. Those times you might be down 10+ at half.

Jimmy can't brain this.
Aug 24, 2018 at 7:01 AM
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Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
OZ blocking rules are very simple, "next man over" while you get on your "track"... your blocking assignment is going to be the next man over from headup playside, if you are going second level you get on a track that is approximately 45 degrees... Person #65 screws this play up because he can't block his man, Richburgh screws because he was supposed to punch and pass off his guy and get the second level LB... OZ is great as long as everyone follows their rules lol

Wow, Baldy is right, they need a lot more reps. I can see the starting OLiine playing into the 2nd half just to get those reps in the 3rd preseason game.
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