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Dockett knows he messed up on the previous play. This is the very next play of the game.

Outside zone left with FB.


Same start as the previous play with Dockett engaging with the right tackle and riding him down the line of scrimmage.


This time, Dockett stays square to the blocker the whole way. Notice the right tackle's hands are on the outside of Dockett's left shoulder. Dockett's hands have inside positioning.


Dockett is head up, square to the blocker, maintains gap discipline, wins the hand positioning battle, sheds the block, and makes the tackle for no gain. He corrects himself from the previous play to play sound technique.
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Hand positioning is actually something Dockett struggles with when engaging with run blockers and I think is the main reason he doesn't win the majority of his 1v1 battles. It's hit and miss and hopefully is something he will improve on, even at his age.

Power right. Dockett is head up, over ADavis.


Dockett engages with ADavis and loses the hand positioning battle.


Same moment as pic above. Having lost hand positioning, Dockett does well to at least get low.


The play is going to Dockett's left, but Dockett can't move because he's being held. Olinemen love to hold if they win the hand battle because the refs can't see it.


Dockett can't move towards the play and the point of attack develops to Dockett's immediate left.


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Inside zone. Dockett 1v1 versus ADavis.


Dockett again loses the hand positioning battle.


Notice Dockett's hand on ADavis' shoulder, on the outside. ADavis has Dockett by the collar.


ADavis uses the leverage advantage to pivot his block around and wall off Dockett.


Gore runs behind ADavis' block to daylight as Dockett can only watch while being held. +6
Thanks thl408. Just looking at these makes me wish it was football season right now. Great comments on each. As much as I like the Dubs and Giants, I like the Niners that much more and this thread gets me thinking about September.
Originally posted by thl408:
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Fantastic thread. Thanks thl408
The how to do things right section with Ray Mac, Ian Williams and Justin Smith shows how well coached our guys are. Glad to have Jimmy T.
Originally posted by thl408:
Just one more good play to show the importance of hand positioning and how having inside positioning helps to control the block.

Justin highlighted.


Notice Justin has won the battle for hand positioning. The left tackle's hand is seen on the outside of Justin's arm, while Justin has the left tackle by the collar.


Head up the entire way, shed the block, and make the tackle. Helps to be strong as an ox.

Fantastic work thl!!!! Absolutely love it/very helpful.

I love this one too where Brooks takes the TE/WR and shoves him down the line, seals the edge and basically tackles the RB "with" that "blocker." It's almost like Justin and Brooks duped the RB to run into that hole on purpose.

PS: I wonder if Dockett has ever had the coaching he's going to get here with Tomsula/Brown? The encouraging thing is that he demonstrated an ability to learn quickly from his mistakes and all of these technique issues can be corrected (not d/t a lack of physicality/strength). Discipline/coaching is the key IMHO. Also, I still think Dial will end up being in the base run defense vs. Dockett who is best served to pass rush esp. coming off that knee tear.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 20, 2015 at 8:02 AM ]
Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, in regards to how TS can open things up for VD - I went back and looked at a few things when Moss was here, as he was our last deep threat than any gave a crap about and looked at how it opened things up for us - it's how I believe things will open up with the addition of Smith.



This is a "Z speedo" concept. Very, very similar to the play diagramed above, except that Moss runs more of a deep post and Vernon is playing the "Z" receiver with Walker playing the "Y".



The PA fake draw the LB's up, which is what allows VD to get behind the defenders. The Packers are playing cover 3 zone(you can't see the deep safety in this pic.


After the PA the strongside corner tries to identify his deep threat - he finds Moss on the other side of the field.


The corner bails out to try and make sure Moss can't come open on his deep crosser/post route. VD is now behind the LB's who have their eyes on the QB.

With the corner bailing and Miller's route taking the flat, it opens up a huge hole in the defense.


Big gain to VD for 29 yards - using the same Speedo concept instituted by Bill Walsh....

Wait....Greg Roman actually ran WCO plays - like the same ones Kubiak did?..... weird......(insert sarcasm here)

but but Roman used basic passing concepts with simpleton route combinations!
Originally posted by defenderDX:
but but Roman used basic passing concepts with simpleton route combinations!

Any OC can call a WCO design/play. Not all are run with WCO principles though (QB drops tied to the primary receiver), with the proper personnel (oy vey!), and it also doesn't guarantee they are called at proper times (situational awareness), in proper sequence (rhythm) and with proper purpose (to either exploit a hole in the defense or to set up the defense later). JMHO.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Any OC can call a WCO design/play. Not all are run with WCO principles though (QB drops tied to the primary receiver), with the proper personnel (oy vey!), and it also doesn't guarantee they are called at proper times (situational awareness), in proper sequence (rhythm) and with proper purpose (to either exploit a hole in the defense or to set up the defense later). JMHO.


doesn't matter. the routes we ran were not simpleton as plenty fans have called and the concepts were not "basic".
Originally posted by thl408:
Very nice example of a QB using his eyes to manipulate the deep safety. I would venture to guess that AS knew presnap that he was going to target the VD vs Strong Safety matchup when presnap motion gave away man coverage. From there, it's just helping VD out by removing the FS from the equation using his eyes.

I want to say Kap does this fine when it comes to freezing the safeties. What I don't think he does enough of is moving the LB level zone defenders with his eyes to open up passing lanes over the middle of the field. There was one play versus DAL where I thought he did this and was excited to see more of it from him (it was cut up, I'll find it). It just didn't unfold that way as the season progressed. For Kap, it's not so much about trusting what he sees, it's trusting what he doesn't see.

If he has high confidence in his presnap read, he should trust that this particular route(s) will be his best chance to get a WR the ball on a particular play. Just as important, also understanding which routes have little to no chance versus the coverage he determines presnap. We saw a lot of this last season when he faced cover3. Whenever he looked, and remained looking, to see if a vertical route against a bailing CB will be open, I questioned why. There is almost no chance that Crab/Boldin is going to defeat a CB up the sideline when the CB is bailing. Kap shouldn't even bother looking that direction expecting to throw the ball. He should be looking towards routes that break behind the LBs, for example.

He needs to understand which routes have a high probability of being open and from there, use his eyes to move defenders, to increase the chances of that route being open. Zone coverage is conceptually easy to bust because the concepts work. He needs to trust the concepts. This is also why we see him go backside so much. He sees 1v1 man coverage on the backside and that's easy to understand and read presnap. Then he over-trusts his arm and his WR to make the play.

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Any OC can call a WCO design/play. Not all are run with WCO principles though (QB drops tied to the primary receiver), with the proper personnel (oy vey!), and it also doesn't guarantee they are called at proper times (situational awareness), in proper sequence (rhythm) and with proper purpose (to either exploit a hole in the defense or to set up the defense later). JMHO.


doesn't matter. the routes we ran were not simpleton as plenty fans have called and the concepts were not "basic".

Well TBF, last year, we attempted more 20+ yard go-routes compared to any other team in the NFL despite being 3rd least in passing attempts...twice as many as Brady. Those aren't exactly "complex" routes there to say the least esp. when 99.9% of these are sideline routes. That, to me, speaks to the OTHER issues I highlighted above. There is so much more to being an effective OC than calling a WCO design.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Any OC can call a WCO design/play. Not all are run with WCO principles though (QB drops tied to the primary receiver), with the proper personnel (oy vey!), and it also doesn't guarantee they are called at proper times (situational awareness), in proper sequence (rhythm) and with proper purpose (to either exploit a hole in the defense or to set up the defense later). JMHO.


doesn't matter. the routes we ran were not simpleton as plenty fans have called and the concepts were not "basic".

Well TBF, last year, we attempted more 20+ yard go-routes compared to any other team in the NFL despite being 3rd least in passing attempts...twice as many as Brady. Those aren't exactly "complex" routes there to say the least esp. when 99.9% of these are sideline routes. That, to me, speaks to the OTHER issues I highlighted above. There is so much more to being an effective OC than calling a WCO design.

right, those speak to other issues. like play-calling and situational awareness. not the one's I'm referring to that fans call out when they haven't seen a single snippet of film from last year.
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