Offseason All22 Film Study

Originally posted by captveg:

And with the 49ers inside DL personnel as their strength position group on defense this seems like a very logical adjustment to task them with the most pressure to perform.

Exactly.

So right now, what is the base vs. nickel? Anyone have any theories? It sounds like Sheldon Day has been the 2i from day 1 with Buckner at 3T. And Ford at LDE and Bosa, RDE. But how often will we see this personnel grouping?

Will Saleh go with his bigger ends again with AA and ST? What's the rotation going to look like inside between 7 interior DL?

Will he go with one strong side BE but always at least have one true ER on the weak side (e.g. at least Bosa or Ford)? Or two BE's but just a shade outside the T/TE?

With the 2i needing to be explosive at the snap and split OL, could we see other players inside like Solomon Thomas there (his natural game) in base and nickel?

Lots of questions...

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Joecool:

This guy doesn't believe in reactionary defenses.

Would you prefer the defense to blitz a lot?

No but I do like the next best thing which is what our inside guys will be doing: one-gapping.

I hate two gap responsibility.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I like what Saleh/Kocurek did in the Dallas game and allowed the DLine to pinch in and stop the Dallas inside run games. When the DLine maintains a straight 4 man rush upfield without stunting or slanting, then you get that situation where the DLinemen just blow by the RB on a draw or trap play.

Other ways to counter the weakness of the wide 9 against the run that I saw in the dallas game was aligning the 3 LB's and the Safety closer to the LOS to clog the run game up or form an 8 man front to run fit those gaps.

All in all, if you add in Bosa and Ford and go wide 9 on a 3rd and long or if Kyle is leading in the fourth quarter and the 49er defense is playing the pass - it's a great pass rush alignment.

The only objection I have with the Wide 9 as a base defense is 3rd and short, first down, and if we're behind - I'd seriously question why a defensive coordinator would call a play that would basically *tell* the offense - please run it down our throats, we'll just give you 4+ yards on this play, thank you very much.

I think we'll see it on first down. During this clinic, Schwartz said that when he made the decision to master the wide 9, he decided to do it then work on defending the runs that they will no doubt see - inside runs. He knew going wide9 would eliminate outside zone to the strong side so that was one less thing to practice.

This has been posted before but I wanted to highlight a small part of this video @ 5:26 to 6:15 ("eliminate some runs by design, force them to slug it out inside"). Does the 49er personnel fit? They have strength at DT and speed at DE. Seems like a good match.

Well, yeah, that's what I was getting into. You *don't* go wide 9 on first and ten. What you do is your regular DLine splits, or maybe go have the rush DE line up outside the OT's shoulder but the rest of the DLine maintain their regular splits by design to stop those runs between the wide DLine splits. I like the fact that they've gone to basically a 4-2-5 Defense on base (in a sense) with Kwon and Fred as the LB's and Dre as a former Safety (and now a Linebacker). I love Dre's athleticism and coverage ability - I've been looking for that Jeff Fuller/John Lynch guy that can do both cover and run blitz to man that defense that key's the defensive coverage. But yeah, on first and ten, if I'm in wide 9 I'm pinching the DLine and blitzing the backers on a stunt to the outside - to deal with those quick hitters.

Originally posted by NCommand:
So right now, what is the base vs. nickel? Anyone have any theories? It sounds like Sheldon Day has been the 2i from day 1 with Buckner at 3T. And Ford at LDE and Bosa, RDE. But how often will we see this personnel grouping?

Will Saleh go with his bigger ends again with AA and ST? What's the rotation going to look like inside between 7 interior DL?

Will he go with one strong side BE but always at least have one true ER on the weak side (e.g. at least Bosa or Ford)? Or two BE's but just a shade outside the T/TE?

With the 2i needing to be explosive at the snap and split OL, could we see other players inside like Solomon Thomas there (his natural game) in base and nickel?

Lots of questions...

Without seeing practice and AA/Solly having yet to play in the preseason, I don't know if Saleh will use them at DE, but if he were to, it doesn't make sense to have them play 9t. That DAL game did nothing to clear up how those two players would be used. I won't try to guess how that will be all sorted out, since I know little about Street/Taylor and with the lack of healthy DEs, those players may have been playing out of position vs DAL. There seems to be a glut of DTs and not enough DEs.

Originally posted by thl408:

Without seeing practice and AA/Solly having yet to play in the preseason, I don't know if Saleh will use them at DE, but if he were to, it doesn't make sense to have them play 9t. That DAL game did nothing to clear up how those two players would be used. I won't try to guess how that will be all sorted out, since I know little about Street/Taylor and with the lack of healthy DEs, those players may have been playing out of position vs DAL. There seems to be a glut of DTs and not enough DEs.

OK good. That explains why I have so many questions...Dallas game gave us a couple hints but not much overall with regards to personnel packages.

great read

Think there will be heavy rotation at the interior dline positions, the niners depth should help quite a bit.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So right now, what is the base vs. nickel? Anyone have any theories? It sounds like Sheldon Day has been the 2i from day 1 with Buckner at 3T. And Ford at LDE and Bosa, RDE. But how often will we see this personnel grouping?

Will Saleh go with his bigger ends again with AA and ST? What's the rotation going to look like inside between 7 interior DL?

Will he go with one strong side BE but always at least have one true ER on the weak side (e.g. at least Bosa or Ford)? Or two BE's but just a shade outside the T/TE?

With the 2i needing to be explosive at the snap and split OL, could we see other players inside like Solomon Thomas there (his natural game) in base and nickel?

Lots of questions...

Without seeing practice and AA/Solly having yet to play in the preseason, I don't know if Saleh will use them at DE, but if he were to, it doesn't make sense to have them play 9t. That DAL game did nothing to clear up how those two players would be used. I won't try to guess how that will be all sorted out, since I know little about Street/Taylor and with the lack of healthy DEs, those players may have been playing out of position vs DAL. There seems to be a glut of DTs and not enough DEs.

Tough to find those rush DE's, in my opinion. The Dee Fords and Bosas just aren't a dime a dozen. If you have an ok Rush DE like a Cassius Marsh, he's probably on a team somewhere. If there is a coach out there that can find, develop, and teach any good athlete to become a decent edge rusher - he'll be paid a ton of money in the NFL, for sure.

Baldinger needs to up his microphone game, but I love his enthusiastic breakdowns.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Baldinger needs to up his microphone game, but I love his enthusiastic breakdowns.

This running game is insane! The subtleties.

All that presnap side to side motion really screws with the LBs. Create a false step to improve blocking angles. I have a feeling teams will start to copy.

Originally posted by thl408:

All that presnap side to side motion really screws with the LBs. Create a false step to improve blocking angles. I have a feeling teams will start to copy.

Pretty much every NFL coach is paid to copy successful teams. Whether they actually *can* copy is another question entirely. I think Kyle's playcalling ability probably will be difficult to copy.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:
All that presnap side to side motion really screws with the LBs. Create a false step to improve blocking angles. I have a feeling teams will start to copy.

Pretty much every NFL coach is paid to copy successful teams. Whether they actually *can* copy is another question entirely. I think Kyle's playcalling ability probably will be difficult to copy.

True. Can't just add a play or two from another's team's playbook and think that it will have the same type of success. The plays in Kyle's playbook compliment each other well. Occasionally I'll recognize how one play looks just like another the first second after the snap, then it branches off in an entirely different direction.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

All that presnap side to side motion really screws with the LBs. Create a false step to improve blocking angles. I have a feeling teams will start to copy.

Pretty much every NFL coach is paid to copy successful teams. Whether they actually *can* copy is another question entirely. I think Kyle's playcalling ability probably will be difficult to copy.

True. Can't just add a play or two from another's team's playbook and think that it will have the same type of success. The plays in Kyle's playbook compliment each other well. Occasionally I'll recognize how one play looks just like another the first second after the snap, then it branches off in an entirely different direction.

Here's a great video on the evolution of the ground game. I think the increases in gap runs has really set this whole offense off. Couple that with the motion, Shift and jet sweep action and you've got just an incredible scheme. It's gonna be fun to see where it goes from here.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

All that presnap side to side motion really screws with the LBs. Create a false step to improve blocking angles. I have a feeling teams will start to copy.

Pretty much every NFL coach is paid to copy successful teams. Whether they actually *can* copy is another question entirely. I think Kyle's playcalling ability probably will be difficult to copy.

True. Can't just add a play or two from another's team's playbook and think that it will have the same type of success. The plays in Kyle's playbook compliment each other well. Occasionally I'll recognize how one play looks just like another the first second after the snap, then it branches off in an entirely different direction.

Sooooo true. Like Greg Roman. Bright guy...had the biggest hodge podge playbook in NFL history. But it's all about when you call them, how you call them, the sequence in which you call them and how you set them up. This is where Kyle excels as well as designing specific game plans for specific opponents.