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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
It's just funny how you wouldn't post it all last year and when asked why there was some excuses about why it's no longer a valid metric...now it is again and back to being posted weekly lol


A former NFL offensive lineman explains why pass protection is also the quarterback's j
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https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/11/8/20954689/nfl-offensive-line-pass-protection-breakdown-mitchell-trubisky-bears
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Nov 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM ]
Originally posted by NinerGM:
So is the argument now that good QB play is unrelated to good OL play? The article you posted suggests the responsibility is shared, meaning both parties have to do their jobs. If a tackle or an OG get beat 1 sec after the snap, that's *always* on the QB?

Of course it's shared. One can do the job better than the other but no QB can be successful long term if they have no protection. At the same time the line can do their job but if the QB has poor field vision and isn't spotting open receivers then it looks like they are failing. Why do you think the lineman stand up for the QB so much and the QB takes them out to dinner. Mutual admiration.
LMAO.

Conclusion: we're not a very good pass protection unit. It looks like we're in with a cluster of teams again who also can't pass protect and who coincidentally, aren't very good either in this passing league and are getting their QB's injured. Odd.

In before NY85 quickly pivots to run blocking, mobile QB's, Geoff Schwartz, Football Outsiders, Woolick being too black and white, Jimmy Garoppolo, PFF, etc.



Edit: too late!
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 27, 2020 at 12:09 PM ]
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We basically need an O-Line who can give Jimmy 5 seconds and a clean pocket just to throw a check Down because he sure can't throw it deep
Originally posted by Sickaa:
We basically need an O-Line who can give Jimmy 5 seconds and a clean pocket just to throw a check Down because he sure can't throw it deep

LMAO. I don't know what funnier, the check down comment or the 5 seconds part.

Good one.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
We basically need an O-Line who can give Jimmy 5 seconds and a clean pocket just to throw a check Down because he sure can't throw it deep

LMAO. I don't know what funnier, the check down comment or the 5 seconds part.

Good one.

Lol
The Center from Oklahoma would be a fantastic addition to this team. Just as Alex Mack completely transformed Atlanta offense, Kyle needs that here. Unfortunately Weston hasn't stayed healthy at all and has become a waste of money at this point. Center is the third most important position in offense, literally the pivot of the offense. If they don't go QB in round 1, they definitely have to spend the pick on the OL.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
So is the argument now that good QB play is unrelated to good OL play? The article you posted suggests the responsibility is shared, meaning both parties have to do their jobs. If a tackle or an OG get beat 1 sec after the snap, that's *always* on the QB?

Or is there now an order..

1) Good play calling
then
2)Good QB play
then
3) Good OL play
then
4) good WR play

I feel like we're saying everything else must be perfect before the OL plays well. Does this reorder when it's a running play? Because as you've stated previously, when the 49ers run, their passing game is better. That suggests to me, OL play is a bit higher in the good play prioritization.

Huh? No I said good QB play can elevate OL play. I specifically talked about QB hits and how there's a plethora of things that lead to a QB getting hit, NOT just OL play.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
So I'd like to bring us back to something you used to post without fail about the OL; that KS never believes in spending high draft capital or $ on IOL. And you're right, that's not his preference.

The exact same thing can be said about a ultra mobile QB for KS who essentially ad-libs almost every time the ball is snapped. IMHO, comparing another team's OL/QB personnel combination to one that doesn't in any way looks like ours isn't helpful here. No, AZ's line doesn't need to be amazing at PP because they have a QB who can outrun a lot of pressure and 2 great WRs (one definitely, two possibly 1st ballot HOFers) getting open while scrambling.

You're right, the QB does play a huge role in PP, but expecting JG to be Kyler Murray or Russel Wilson is I think doesn't speak to what the 49ers not only need, but what they will do even in the future at QB. What's implied is that the 49ers won't be any better until we get a QB who can buy more time with his legs and that's ideally with a cheap(er) QB or rook.

Well I don't see that approach being any less risky than getting a better set of IOL, starting at center who can pass protect a hair better than what we have today. If anything hoping (and waiting) for a cheap mobile QB to pan out in this offense seems way more unlikely than seeing if better personnel at the LOS will have an near-immediate impact to offensive production.

Admittedly, I'm still on the fence about keeping JG past 2021, but whatever we do I absolutely don't see a super mobile QB being something that Kyle identifies as his future state for this offense.

Read the article and what happens pre/post snap regarding OL and how important QB play is for PP.

A former NFL offensive lineman explains why pass protection is also the quarterback's
job

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/11/8/20954689/nfl-offensive-line-pass-protection-breakdown-mitchell-trubisky-bears
Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO.

Conclusion: we're not a very good pass protection unit. It looks like we're in with a cluster of teams again who also can't pass protect and who coincidentally, aren't very good either in this passing league and are getting their QB's injured. Odd.

In before NY85 quickly pivots to run blocking, mobile QB's, Geoff Schwartz, Football Outsiders, Woolick being too black and white, Jimmy Garoppolo, PFF, etc.



Edit: too late!

Wait QB hits are only a real metric when SF is at the bottom of the list...last yr doesn't count because they weren't at the bottom of the list lol.

Hey if you're too stubborn to listen to a former OL explain the job of a QB in regards to PP that's on you...NC is so blinded by PP (especially IOL) that he's gonna say DTs offer zero to pass rush yet IOL are sooooo important to PP lol.

Jimmy tore his ACL not running out of bounds last I saw. I'm sure you'll swing that into a PP issue.

I'm sorry you can't see the context that gets involved to make an offense run...yes SFs OL isn't elite. They need to upgrade. So does just about every f**king team in the NFL. Crazy thing is the teams that are putting points on the board have a good QB.
If only we had the offensive line that AZ has (according to QB hits)
NY be like, "It's not THAT bad guys...I mean, every f**king team in the NFL struggles with pass protection."

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's 2020 and some 49er fans, of all fans, still can't "see it." Remarkable actually. It's almost like pass protection in a passing league, in a passing offense, is important to keeping QB's healthy and productive and their teams winning. Weird. Who knew?
i guess we will all go to bed at night happy and comforted by the fact that........ most nfl teams have pass protection issues

LOL. Except the playoff teams of course.

What happened with your benchmark team NO?
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
+ Show all quotes i guess we will all go to bed at night happy and comforted by the fact that........ most nfl teams have pass protection issues

LOL. Except the playoff teams of course.

What happened with your benchmark team NO?

What do you mean? They've only given up 41 hits, best record in football and have done it with two QB's. They're doing alright although their rookie did get their statue 45 year old QB smashed.
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