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Nov 28, 2020 at 3:56 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
NY be like, "It's not THAT bad guys...I mean, every f**king team in the NFL struggles with pass protection."


I never said it wasn't bad dude...you keep only reading part of my comments.

I'm saying and have been for yrs now, PP isn't just a OL term. QB play is a massive part of PP. Being able to run the f**king ball improves PP...play-calling matters and yes of course OL matters.

It's not as black & white as you keep making it out to be NC, yet you're making it that way.

Weird
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Nov 28, 2020 at 4:17 AM ]
Nov 28, 2020 at 4:15 AM
Originally posted by NinerGM:
This article is from last year and I've read it more than once. No doubt. It still doesn't address what we're talking about here. If we're going to solve better QB play, does that mean a cheaper QB or a vet we can't afford of JG?

Why does it matter when it's written? It's literally laying out what a QB does and how important he is to pass-pro...It's football dude & it's a big part of his job. That article is what a QB deals with on every snap.

We're talking about pass-protection and have been for a while in here, no?

A good QB improves PP tremendously...Go look at TB. Literally the same OL as last yr outside of a rookie RT. They had one of the bottom OLs in 2019 and now one of the best. Why? QB play. Being able to read defenses, change protections, audible, hot routes, process quickly etc improve PP. Run-blocking is also a major factor in PP.

NC keeps bringing up "QB hits" like it's some rock solid stat to determine who's OL is good. We've been though this last yr and for some reason NC feels the need to bring up a stat when it's convenient lol...So our OL was good for most of last yr because they weren't at the bottom of the "qb hit" chart? Ya'll will never admit that lol.

I guess we should want that AZ OL because they've given up the lest amount of QB hits

All I'm saying is there's a ton of things that go into PP outside of just OL play...of course they need to play better.

I don't think our OL is amazing and for sure they need to upgrade. Currently We're trotting out our 4 string center and backup to the backup at RG tomorrow lol. We have a backup QB going....we're still gonna complain about PP play right now? Lol No s**t it's not gonna be good.

That's like complaining it's going to be cold in Antarctica...duh lol.
Nov 28, 2020 at 4:20 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's 2020 and some 49er fans, of all fans, still can't "see it." Remarkable actually. It's almost like pass protection in a passing league, in a passing offense, is important to keeping QB's healthy and productive and their teams winning. Weird. Who knew?
i guess we will all go to bed at night happy and comforted by the fact that........ most nfl teams have pass protection issues

LOL. Except the playoff teams of course.

What happened with your benchmark team NO?

What do you mean? They've only given up 41 hits, best record in football and have done it with two QB's. They're doing alright although their rookie did get their statue 45 year old QB smashed.

Wait so you're saying if a QB is a little more mobile that could change that "QB hit" stat? So almost like there's more to that stat then just OL play....wild
Nov 28, 2020 at 4:26 AM
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Is Williams playing Sunday?
Nov 28, 2020 at 4:32 AM
Originally posted by mayo49:
Is Williams playing Sunday?

Nov 28, 2020 at 4:35 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Is Williams playing Sunday?


Seems like Aiyuk has been on that list for ever.
Nov 28, 2020 at 5:22 AM
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Is Williams playing Sunday?


Seems like Aiyuk has been on that list for ever.

Yeah s**ts a mess this yr.
Nov 28, 2020 at 5:29 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Is Williams playing Sunday?


Seems like Aiyuk has been on that list for ever.

Yeah s**ts a mess this yr.

He should be off that list by now.
Nov 28, 2020 at 6:43 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's 2020 and some 49er fans, of all fans, still can't "see it." Remarkable actually. It's almost like pass protection in a passing league, in a passing offense, is important to keeping QB's healthy and productive and their teams winning. Weird. Who knew?
i guess we will all go to bed at night happy and comforted by the fact that........ most nfl teams have pass protection issues

LOL. Except the playoff teams of course.

What happened with your benchmark team NO?

What do you mean? They've only given up 41 hits, best record in football and have done it with two QB's. They're doing alright although their rookie did get their statue 45 year old QB smashed.

Wait so you're saying if a QB is a little more mobile that could change that "QB hit" stat? So almost like there's more to that stat then just OL play....wild

Hey you're the one who's gone off in several directions after I posted a simple stat. It's just a cumulative stat that is just another one in a long line of stats that state: our unit pass protection blows (for a variety of reasons but it blows nonetheless)

I'm the one that refers to it as "unit pass protection" for all the OTHER reasons you divert too...from Arby's, FB and TE's pass protecting poorly to QB indecision, vision, trust issues to QB and C not executing on pre snap pick ups to one-sided talent evaluation (run blockers vs. pass protectors), to lack of resources invested esp. younger talented players to targeting low-pay talent at G to counting on oft-injured players to scheme refocus to work around it to the time it takes to execute play action to lack of success of the run blocking to receivers in and out of the lineup to not being open when they should or breaking off routes incorrectly and running wrong routes to...

All, in the end, says unit pass protection is NOT a priority OR focus of this coaching staff and it shows cumulatively when they rely more on the year's in which they need to pass more or periods when they do. A run centric high volume year decreases the number of hits naturally but it only masks it...they still stunk WHEN they needed to pass.

In short, this year has been no different than any year and next year won't be any different either unless they prioritize the talent AND focus on unit pass protection and raise the standards and health of the unit.

Adding a rookie QB is only going to make what Geoff Schwartz touched on much more challenging but the ability to 'mask' poor pass protection could be better if he has excellent escapability and the ability to make off schedule throws, keeping in mind that Kyle's starter focus will be on executing the plays within the design first and foremost.
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 28, 2020 at 7:21 AM ]
Nov 28, 2020 at 8:21 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's 2020 and some 49er fans, of all fans, still can't "see it." Remarkable actually. It's almost like pass protection in a passing league, in a passing offense, is important to keeping QB's healthy and productive and their teams winning. Weird. Who knew?
i guess we will all go to bed at night happy and comforted by the fact that........ most nfl teams have pass protection issues

LOL. Except the playoff teams of course.

What happened with your benchmark team NO?

What do you mean? They've only given up 41 hits, best record in football and have done it with two QB's. They're doing alright although their rookie did get their statue 45 year old QB smashed.

They are doing all right huh? Getting their FQB destroyed 2 weeks in a row and then knocked out and almost ended his year. Lol ok, yeah they are doing great. Just going by your standards
Nov 28, 2020 at 9:04 AM
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Is Williams playing Sunday?


Seems like Aiyuk has been on that list for ever.

Yeah s**ts a mess this yr.

He should be off that list by now.

Hopefully there are no long term damages.
Nov 28, 2020 at 9:27 AM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's 2020 and some 49er fans, of all fans, still can't "see it." Remarkable actually. It's almost like pass protection in a passing league, in a passing offense, is important to keeping QB's healthy and productive and their teams winning. Weird. Who knew?
i guess we will all go to bed at night happy and comforted by the fact that........ most nfl teams have pass protection issues

LOL. Except the playoff teams of course.

What happened with your benchmark team NO?

What do you mean? They've only given up 41 hits, best record in football and have done it with two QB's. They're doing alright although their rookie did get their statue 45 year old QB smashed.

They are doing all right huh? Getting their FQB destroyed 2 weeks in a row and then knocked out and almost ended his year. Lol ok, yeah they are doing great. Just going by your standards

Yeah, I think collectively their OL is just fine. LOL. Odd that a rookie C playing RG in the pros would give up a pressure and hit.

You don't even attempt trying Taysom Hill as your QB without a very good OL that was built to pass protect for Drew Brees.
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 28, 2020 at 9:33 AM ]
Nov 28, 2020 at 9:34 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's 2020 and some 49er fans, of all fans, still can't "see it." Remarkable actually. It's almost like pass protection in a passing league, in a passing offense, is important to keeping QB's healthy and productive and their teams winning. Weird. Who knew?
i guess we will all go to bed at night happy and comforted by the fact that........ most nfl teams have pass protection issues

LOL. Except the playoff teams of course.

What happened with your benchmark team NO?

What do you mean? They've only given up 41 hits, best record in football and have done it with two QB's. They're doing alright although their rookie did get their statue 45 year old QB smashed.

They are doing all right huh? Getting their FQB destroyed 2 weeks in a row and then knocked out and almost ended his year. Lol ok, yeah they are doing great. Just going by your standards

Yeah, I think collectively their OL is just fine. LOL. Odd that a rookie C playing RG in the pros would give up a pressure and hit.

I don't think getting your FQB absolutely wrecked 2 weeks in a row is just fine and certainly does not align with your standards
Odd indeed that a 1st round OL who has experience playing RG and played RG most of camp sucks this bad. Can only imagine what he'd be doing at C. Brees probably would have been knocked out much earlier. It's pretty apparent why McCoy ran away with the starting C job
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Nov 28, 2020 at 9:35 AM ]
Nov 28, 2020 at 9:41 AM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's 2020 and some 49er fans, of all fans, still can't "see it." Remarkable actually. It's almost like pass protection in a passing league, in a passing offense, is important to keeping QB's healthy and productive and their teams winning. Weird. Who knew?
i guess we will all go to bed at night happy and comforted by the fact that........ most nfl teams have pass protection issues

LOL. Except the playoff teams of course.

What happened with your benchmark team NO?

What do you mean? They've only given up 41 hits, best record in football and have done it with two QB's. They're doing alright although their rookie did get their statue 45 year old QB smashed.

They are doing all right huh? Getting their FQB destroyed 2 weeks in a row and then knocked out and almost ended his year. Lol ok, yeah they are doing great. Just going by your standards

Yeah, I think collectively their OL is just fine. LOL. Odd that a rookie C playing RG in the pros would give up a pressure and hit.

I don't think getting your FQB absolutely wrecked 2 weeks in a row is just fine and certainly does not align with your standards
Odd indeed that a 1st round OL who has experience playing RG and played RG most of camp sucks this bad. Can only imagine what he'd be doing at C. Brees probably would have been knocked out much earlier. It's pretty apparent why McCoy ran away with the starting C job

Yup, they definitely had a couple key breakdowns and that cost them dearly. Granted they're still good enough to win with Taysom "Wounded Duck" Hill and will still probably be the #1 seed when it's all said and done. But like here...those breakdowns can cost you. But if you're trying to compare our pass protecting OL overall to theirs, that's a failed debate.

As to Ruiz himself, yes he took snaps at RG but he's a C through and through. But with no off season and a very complicated system, no way did they feel comfortable with him at C. Maybe in the future.
Nov 28, 2020 at 10:25 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Hey you're the one who's gone off in several directions after I posted a simple stat..

It's a stat that lacks a s**t TON of context.

You don't want to supply the context, I will
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