49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Super erratic across the board. Odd

Thl and JD could probably show why that is better but it might be because of how the front 7's are playing us? More stacked boxes and more run blitzes and more penetration to blow up the runs before it starts. Obviously a wounded QB x2 and Mullens would certainly give a DC extra confidence to dictate the LOS.

What I've seen are a lot more blitzes. They were really apparent in the Seattle game. New Orleans basically took Seattle's gameplan, lots os slot blitzes and we never picked them up until late. People have been abusing McG and our RG with our backs. The lack of continuity has really hurt. We've gone through 3 guards and 5 backs. Theres constant miscue between who's got who in those 3. Seattle- way too many rushers turned free at Jimmy G.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Super erratic across the board. Odd

Thl and JD could probably show why that is better but it might be because of how the front 7's are playing us? More stacked boxes and more run blitzes and more penetration to blow up the runs before it starts. Obviously a wounded QB x2 and Mullens would certainly give a DC extra confidence to dictate the LOS.

What I've seen are a lot more blitzes. They were really apparent in the Seattle game. New Orleans basically took Seattle's gameplan, lots os slot blitzes and we never picked them up until late. People have been abusing McG and our RG with our backs. The lack of continuity has really hurt. We've gone through 3 guards and 5 backs. Theres constant miscue between who's got who in those 3. Seattle- way too many rushers turned free at Jimmy G.

That SEA game sucked because they were providing good protection up until the last min of the half. They they then keyed in on Jimmy being off and started bringing it . If I recall first blitz wasn't until the 1:30 ish mark of the 2nd . 3rd quarter flood gates opened

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Trent Williams is an absolute monster. The way he moves for a man that size is incredible.

Must resign.

Agreed.

An absolute given.

$19.3M APY for 3 years.

No way. Not with next years market. No way. Go check out my numbers in the QB thread, cause I dont want to spend the time posting them here. There's 6 starting LT's hitting the market and only 5 teams with 50+ mil(one being WAS where we know Trent isn't going back to). If, for example, NE wants to sign him and keep Joe Thuney(best guard in the game IMO) you'd be looking at 36-37 mil of their 60 mil in cap space right there. They still have their starting center, quarterback, backup quarterback, 2 starting D-lineman, and Jason McCourty all left to sign.

There's just not going to be the market for those kind of contracts.

These are fair points and you're right about there possibly being a lot of really good players on the market for cheap because teams will have to clear a lot of space.

That said, for the premier talent like Williams, it'll simply be structured down in 2021 and pushed to bigger cap hits in 2022 and 2023 where normal league revenue would be expected. That'd ensure he got top 5 money next year.

What APY figure did you have in mind? I know these are unprecedented conditions.

I dont know what the APY will be. With uncertainty for next year too, not sure how willing teams will be to back load.

Top tackles this year were about 9.5% of the cap. So, to me, it depends on the cap. I dont think you'll see even 9.5% unless there's pay cuts because every minimum contract player gets pay increases each year, it's just usually covered up by increasing cap.

If we have a 195 mil cap, I see 8% max. Thats 15.6. Like I said, that's the ceiling, to me. You'll see contracts on par with 2017 contracts but still need 5% pay cuts across the board.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I dont know what the APY will be. With uncertainty for next year too, not sure how willing teams will be to back load.

Top tackles this year were about 9.5% of the cap. So, to me, it depends on the cap. I dont think you'll see even 9.5% unless there's pay cuts because every minimum contract player gets pay increases each year, it's just usually covered up by increasing cap.

If we have a 195 mil cap, I see 8% max. Thats 15.6. Like I said, that's the ceiling, to me. You'll see contracts on par with 2017 contracts but still need 5% pay cuts across the board.

Gotcha. I believe NY85 guesstimated $16M APY. I was looking at the most recent top 5 contracts as that market is usually the starting point for slotting when you're playing as one of the best in that position group. Obviously, I hope you and NY85 are right on this one!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

What I've seen are a lot more blitzes. They were really apparent in the Seattle game. New Orleans basically took Seattle's gameplan, lots os slot blitzes and we never picked them up until late. People have been abusing McG and our RG with our backs. The lack of continuity has really hurt. We've gone through 3 guards and 5 backs. Theres constant miscue between who's got who in those 3. Seattle- way too many rushers turned free at Jimmy G.

Yeah, lots of attacks on that A gap too naturally which is why, IMHO, both Garoppolo and Mullens are terrified to step up. Both with happy feet and panicky. Garoppolo would rather stand sideways then step up.

MM isn't pulling this one over well in the comments. Not a single fan agrees with him. LOL. He's got a job to do but damn.

Knew you would call him a shill

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Knew you would call him a shill

He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. Check this out:

I have a feeling there will be another disagreement here: If the 49ers are able to re-sign Williams, I'm of the belief they should keep their offensive line intact for 2021.

Assuming Williams returns, the 49ers should sink their money and draft resources into other positions and leave the offensive line alone.

BTW, this was my favorite response to him.

Mcglinchey ain't going anywhere, so let's hope he can improve this offseason by working with the right people, attending the OL summit and getting bigger and stronger.

That said, they should definitely invest draft resources in the OL. If an elite OT prospect falls to them in the draft, they should 100% pull the trigger if it's one of their guys and best player available.

I would try and put him in the market when or if we ever try to move up... he at least should be one of the BRIGHT star to the team that's full of injuries.. instead, he's getting tossed around like a doll game in and game out..

Next offseason I am fine with leaving the line intact to develop continuity except for center. We need to do something about that more than any offensive position IMO. Richburg really left us with our dicks in our hands there by going down and staying out of commission. The tackles are set because whether we like it or not, Kyle prefers what McGlinchey brings in the run game too much to replace and will always opt to scheme around his pass protection deficiencies. The guard situation is difficult to ascertain because Brunskill has been jerked around the line from preseason onwards so much its difficult to get a beat on whether or not he can stick at RG. But what is certain is that we need to find someone even moderately reliable at the center position in terms of health and performance, even if its just signing Alex Mack to a one year deal while we draft his eventual replacement.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, lots of attacks on that A gap too naturally which is why, IMHO, both Garoppolo and Mullens are terrified to step up. Both with happy feet and panicky. Garoppolo would rather stand sideways then step up.

Yes and the QB's need to realize where the blitzes are coming from and change protections, call a hot route, audible (they use the personnel to help with this) Hell how about NOT running right into the blitz for starters. Saw Mullens do that

Good QB play will eat up blitzes if not, teams would be blitzing every damn down.

Originally posted by RasSuar:
Next offseason I am fine with leaving the line intact to develop continuity except for center. We need to do something about that more than any offensive position IMO. Richburg really left us with our dicks in our hands there by going down and staying out of commission. The tackles are set because whether we like it or not, Kyle prefers what McGlinchey brings in the run game too much to replace and will always opt to scheme around his pass protection deficiencies. The guard situation is difficult to ascertain because Brunskill has been jerked around the line from preseason onwards so much its difficult to get a beat on whether or not he can stick at RG. But what is certain is that we need to find someone even moderately reliable at the center position in terms of health and performance, even if its just signing Alex Mack to a one year deal while we draft his eventual replacement.

grab and IOL prospect that can play both center/guard. I'm cool with that.