49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Yeah that's not accurate lol

What part Hoov? Needing a center or deliberately choosing run-heavy OL? Help me out here.

The reality part.

Ha. I mean if your guys reality is the Rams OL is suddenly good because you are looking at QB hits and sacks, well that is just hilarious on so many levels

I'm just saying if "Goff is continuously harassed" he'd most likely be in the higher end of QB hits. How do you harass a QB without ever hitting him?

He'd have to be insanely elusive, have great pocket feel and have eyes in the back of his head. And we know that's not the case for sure with Goff.

The rams OL is better in pass pro. I can't believe it's even being questioned. Maybe without Whitworth it's close but with him it's not

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Yeah that's not accurate lol

What part Hoov? Needing a center or deliberately choosing run-heavy OL? Help me out here.

The reality part.

Ha. I mean if your guys reality is the Rams OL is suddenly good because you are looking at QB hits and sacks, well that is just hilarious on so many levels

I'm just saying if "Goff is continuously harassed" he'd most likely be in the higher end of QB hits. How do you harass a QB without ever hitting him?

He'd have to be insanely elusive, have great pocket feel and have eyes in the back of his head. And we know that's not the case for sure with Goff.

So have you watched the Rams this year and seen what they've been doing? Remember, You told us last year that low QB hits and sacks are not a good indicator of good PP as it pertained to the Niners.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Can't find IOL in later rounds and develop them. Must use 1st on them.

Hehe

I think OL more so than any other position can be found on day 3. This is because of how underdeveloped most of them are coming out of college. The thing is there are so many factors that go into their success ie scheme fit, coaching, development, work ethic, etc.

My problem with Kyle/Lynch's approach is that they're not taking enough shots. Draft more OL.

They definitely should take the approach they had with receiver. Try, try and try again until they hit. I'm hoping for two picks spent on IOL (at least 1 should be day 1 or 2). We should be bringing in UDFAs as well. Let them, Richburg, and McKivitz battle it out for C and RG. Then MM, Brunkskll, Skule, and Coleman go at it for RT. Not saying it will solve the problems but I'd argue OL holds the team back #1 then Jimmy #2.

What an odd stat.


Constantly pressured but buying extra time to try and make something happen.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

You don't know that at all and the same could be said for JG and Ford as an edge. We didn't know either would be available to us, until they were.

Teams attack the run not because our QB can't throw a slant, they attack the run because it's the staple of this offense. Teams attacked the run last year as well and in many cases dared us to pass - and even when accurate preferred to take their lumps from the passing game than let themselves get ran all over the place.

And the assumption is being made that even if Mullens has time, he still won't throw accurately. I don't know about that one. Typically QBs do better when they have more time to throw but hey that's just me.

He had time yesterday. He missed Aiyuk on an easy slant by a foot. Missed Bourne on an easy TD. Wilson wqs a td with an accurate throw. Griese even pointed out how innacurate he was.

Who has a legit center to trade?

Originally posted by NCommand:

What an odd stat.

49ers QB Nick Mullens was under pressure on 41% of his dropbacks last night, while it felt like Bills QB Josh Allen had all day to throw, but...

Average time to throw last night:

Mullens: 2.68 seconds

Allen: 2.77 seconds

— Niners Nation (@NinersNation) December 8, 2020

Constantly pressured but buying extra time to try and make something happen.

Feel like Allen had all day yesterday. Interesting.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

What an odd stat.

49ers QB Nick Mullens was under pressure on 41% of his dropbacks last night, while it felt like Bills QB Josh Allen had all day to throw, but...

Average time to throw last night:

Mullens: 2.68 seconds

Allen: 2.77 seconds

— Niners Nation (@NinersNation) December 8, 2020

Constantly pressured but buying extra time to try and make something happen.

Feel like Allen had all day yesterday. Interesting.

He did, hence the 2.77 TTT (average). That's high.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

Our QB's are set around 2.5. So to see Mullens up at 2.68 WITH a 41% pressure rate at the same time, means he had to buy a lot of extra time on his own and play off script (obviously). Some I saw was related to low snaps throwing off the timing, instant defensive pressure, blown pass blocking assignments, run blitzing, zone blitzing, etc.

As to Allen, when he was pressured he had the space and ability to move away from it or he crumbled when he didn't (few and far between). Also, he wasn't pressured 41% so he could sit back there and be extra accurate and see the whole field and look for bigger plays knowing he was protected. 2.77 (average) is a long time to PP if you don't have to move as a QB. That peace of mind is everything to a QB...something our QB's have never had.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

He had time yesterday. He missed Aiyuk on an easy slant by a foot. Missed Bourne on an easy TD. Wilson wqs a td with an accurate throw. Griese even pointed out how innacurate he was.

Who has a legit center to trade?

Still can't see past the QB? You know Mullens is a backup, right? That means if he had any chance to win against a very very good team, he'd need the defense to not give up 6 straight drives with points, excellent pass protection, excellent ST and his skill positions to ball out. He also needed to play outside himself.

None of that happened. It's a beautiful team game when you can see beyond just the QB (whomever that is).

Mullins is a very good "Back-Up" and that's it.

Our OLine is weak - period.

Only Trent is stellar.

If JG returns next season and our OLine gets better players we'll go deep into the playoffs and IMO to the SBowl.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Mullins is a very good "Back-Up" and that's it.

Our OLine is weak - period.

Only Trent is stellar.

If JG returns next season and our OLine gets better players we'll go deep into the playoffs and IMO to the SBowl.

Word.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

What an odd stat.

49ers QB Nick Mullens was under pressure on 41% of his dropbacks last night, while it felt like Bills QB Josh Allen had all day to throw, but...

Average time to throw last night:

Mullens: 2.68 seconds

Allen: 2.77 seconds

— Niners Nation (@NinersNation) December 8, 2020

Constantly pressured but buying extra time to try and make something happen.

Feel like Allen had all day yesterday. Interesting.

He did, hence the 2.77 TTT (average). That's high.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

Our QB's are set around 2.5. So to see Mullens up at 2.68 WITH a 41% pressure rate at the same time, means he had to buy a lot of extra time on his own and play off script (obviously). Some I saw was related to low snaps throwing off the timing, instant defensive pressure, blown pass blocking assignments, run blitzing, zone blitzing, etc.

As to Allen, when he was pressured he had the space and ability to move away from it or he crumbled when he didn't (few and far between). Also, he wasn't pressured 41% so he could sit back there and be extra accurate and see the whole field and look for bigger plays knowing he was protected. 2.77 (average) is a long time to PP if you don't have to move as a QB. That peace of mind is everything to a QB...something our QB's have never had.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

What an odd stat.

49ers QB Nick Mullens was under pressure on 41% of his dropbacks last night, while it felt like Bills QB Josh Allen had all day to throw, but...

Average time to throw last night:

Mullens: 2.68 seconds

Allen: 2.77 seconds

— Niners Nation (@NinersNation) December 8, 2020

Constantly pressured but buying extra time to try and make something happen.

Feel like Allen had all day yesterday. Interesting.

He did, hence the 2.77 TTT (average). That's high.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

Our QB's are set around 2.5. So to see Mullens up at 2.68 WITH a 41% pressure rate at the same time, means he had to buy a lot of extra time on his own and play off script (obviously). Some I saw was related to low snaps throwing off the timing, instant defensive pressure, blown pass blocking assignments, run blitzing, zone blitzing, etc.

As to Allen, when he was pressured he had the space and ability to move away from it or he crumbled when he didn't (few and far between). Also, he wasn't pressured 41% so he could sit back there and be extra accurate and see the whole field and look for bigger plays knowing he was protected. 2.77 (average) is a long time to PP if you don't have to move as a QB. That peace of mind is everything to a QB...something our QB's have never had.

Kept hearing 49ers got no pressure on Josh Allen. They definitely made him move. Allen just wasn't phased lol https://t.co/XPbFnpG5Ee

— Crocky (@eric_crocker) December 9, 2020

All 3 pressures right there, huh? j/k. Nice wide U to escape from too. LOL

Honestly, he ran right into one of those but clearly he has the athleticism and speed to get out of trouble laterally. Something our QB's certainly can't do too well. Maybe to the left. Nice to see receivers work back to help the QB and make terrific catches.

Must. Be. Nice.

Originally posted by NCommand:

All 3 pressures right there, huh? j/k. Nice wide U to escape from too. LOL

Honestly, he ran right into one of those but clearly he has the athleticism and speed to get out of trouble laterally. Something our QB's certainly can't do too well. Maybe to the left. Nice to see receivers work back to help the QB and make terrific catches.

Must. Be. Nice.

Crazy what a good QB can do....

I just looked at the rankings of the NFL O lines at the end of the 2019 season and early 2020 season. The Niners were ranked between 8 (PFF pre season) and 16. That was before all the problems at center, McGlinchey having a poor year and the other shuffling that's taken place. The fact that they haven't performed up to expectations tells me that maybe they are just having a bad year and the personnel isn't terrible. If they can get a solid center and McGlinchey can be replaced or improve his pass blocking, the line could be up around the top 10-15. It's not like the entire line needs a rebuild.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just looked at the rankings of the NFL O lines at the end of the 2019 season and early 2020 season. The Niners were ranked between 8 (PFF pre season) and 16. That was before all the problems at center, McGlinchey having a poor year and the other shuffling that's taken place. The fact that they haven't performed up to expectations tells me that maybe they are just having a bad year and the personnel isn't terrible. If they can get a solid center and McGlinchey can be replaced or improve his pass blocking, the line could be up around the top 10-15. It's not like the entire line needs a rebuild.

McGlinchey has been the biggest disappointment by far. He's getting manhandled often by smaller players.

They do need to add young talent. But that young talent isn't going to come in and hit he ground running. They will need a year to develop. So in all likelihood a Williams/Tomlinson/Brunskill/McKivitz/McGlinchey OL is what we will start with in 2021 with prospects behind them.